[It's Amazing the Difference 1 Year Makes .]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Close agencies and cabinet departments that we don’t need because they assume responsibility for policies that should be under state and local governance (like the Department of Education).  Take some of that money and significantly increase the number of agents and electronic surveillance on the border.  Forget the wall because it’s ridiculous.  And to really control it start putting employers who hire illegal immigrants in jail.

 

i think thats the point. erode immigration laws to provide corporate donors cheap labor that has no protections of a legal residents and fight against voter id laws so you can gain more power. both have been supported by one another.

 

all wrapped up in a nice package called empathy to get the publics support. 

 

win win for all involved.

 

people should ask themselves. trump wanted to stop illegal immigration but what did he or his party stand to gain from that stance other then being relentlessly attacked as a racist? keep in mind every single american president in our history also stressed boarder security until now.

 

 

[Could CRT bring about a race war?]

14 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I'd love to see the specifics of the afirmative action and special loans you speak of. Show me the numbers. 

 

numbers? no i dont do research papers on here anymore. it routinley showed to be a waste of time. so instead.

 

did you watch television this year? did you see how many black police chiefs mayors were african american? did you go to college, check how many loans and grants are specifically designated to underprivlaged minorities? do you work? doesn't your place have a diversity quota implemented for affirmative  action?

 

i say you can just look around you but don't know where you live or background. i need to look no further then my boss who just told me to get off my phone and get back to work 😡

[Could CRT bring about a race war?]

28 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The same could be said of so many white people who expend tremendous energy to fight for the idea that racism has no effect in America, and America owes no one anything to make amends for the harms of racism.

 

 

 

 

 

havent seen that at all. there are plenty of programs that have been instituted. afimitive action. special loans and grants. your stereotyping what the discussion is about.

[Could CRT bring about a race war?]

37 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Ever since reading The Bell Curve I wanted to ask Charles Murray a hypothetical: If white people had been stolen away from European by the millions and held captive in slavery in Asia for hundreds of years, and during that period it was illegal for them to learn to read the native language, how would that population would fair on IQ tests and in schools in the Asian language once it was legal for them to learn to read to attend school?

 

And if the white population performed at a significantly poorer rate than their Asian counterparts, would that prove that Asians are inherently smarter than white people? 

 

 

 

 

 

to further look at your claim we again look at immigrants. not only not knowing how to read or write, english!...outside any classes they have taken. also having to learn american customs (reading from left to right ect ect) while navigating a brand new, never before seen landscape away from everyone and thing they have ever known... i think that at the least is equal playing field to your assertion of past racism effects yet somehow not only doing well in school, but being successful in american society. all colors and nationalities regardless of background. 

 

at some point you have to relook at your ideas and say maybe there are more factors then what you think. my guess is that you don't want to because it would bring you to a conclusion you do not want to investigate.

[Could CRT bring about a race war?]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

You probably don't actually want to hear anything I have to say. 

 

I'll start to explain myself, and then 12 angry righties will only respond to just one part that they try to twist into being wrong while ignoring every way anything I said could be right. 

 

Then they'll call me a racist for insisting that there are still racist aspects of our society that didn't magically disappear in 1954.

 

Then they'll further insist that I'm racist by equating black people with criminality. 

 

Then they'll insist that I'm racist by telling me that black people are on welfare...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well your talking to me and i am for honest debate. its easy to ignore someone who you don't think is making a good point. in our last descussion i took what you said and some things made sense. maybe we don't agree but i think with you its worth the effort which is why i engaged in the first place.

 

i prob wont get back tonight..its late but i do want to hear what you say. i was in a edit so reread my response. if not thats ok, the choice is yours. 

[Could CRT bring about a race war?]

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

I think most white people benefited from racism. Most through no fault of their own. 

 

And I think you guys either intentionally or unwittingly conflate that idea with the claim that all white people are racist. They are not the same thing. 

 

 

 

You're a sock puppet. 

 

so explain yourself.

 

there have been plenty of grade school teachers who are on video doing exactly what you say people are overreacting to and the only reason it is known is because classes have been on zoom. please do some research outside your comfort zone for a start.

 

at the very least parents should have the right to opt out of ANY classes that is offered. yet that is not happening..repeatedly.

 

i grew up in buffalo NY inner city school systems. i know exactly what being a minority is and can state racism exists in ALL cultures...but I'm a oppressor so i guess i deserved anything i got..so say crt professors. i learned everything about the civil war, redlining, jim crow and even kwanzaa. the objective of what i learned was to treat others on content of their character. all of a sudden its to judge on color of skin again, and that's something you advocate for? openly!? 

 

its almost as if some people went to backwoods school system where history was whitewashed. sorry that happened if its you but that only means those systems need to teach HISTORY..all of it. not some theory based on skin. 

 

 this civilization was founded on european systems. every "race" has gone through its horrific periods. irish, italian, japanese ect ect ect. pretty convenient people who have gone through struggles are all lumped as "white" eradicating any brutal history and those who succeed "asian" are now white adjacent to pay a price for that hard work and negate any narrative that "non whites" can somehow be successful in this corrupt supremacist society. 

 

so lets flip the narrative. can i move to mexico and point out crt on how their structure is built against me? why must i learn mexican to be successful? why must i dress in their customary clothes and live by the laws they built apon. its against me as a minority? obviously slavery was ugly and a far worse situation unrelatable, but the principals i state are the same as what americans are calling "structural racism"

[The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

your running out of corny memes as responses. run back to twitter and grab a fresh set as i see you posting alot of reruns.

1 hour ago, ALF said:

 

Seattle and Portland are a train wreck along with other cities .  They need strict law and order for sure. 

 

Long prison sentences and high bail. 

 

not trying to deflect i do want answer on 1/6 but it goes far deeper then orange man bad. so im for it.

 

 i also want a full investigation into fauci involvement in gain of function.  who was dropping bricks off at protest. where blm money was coming from and has gone. governors that FORCED covid + into nursing homes. ect ect ect. these are just as important. but if the media ignores it, it must not be.

 

the list is long yet the only out cry is for 1/6 investigations which actually got a reaction. it gets media attention. noone seems to care about the crimes from the other side since the media brushed it off.

 

not seeing alot of calls for justice for this info. almost like certain people only care about things they are TOLD to 🤔

[The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection]

45 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

So you're saying we need a 1/6 commission and hundreds of trials of the perpetrators to get to the bottom of this , I agree.

 

already happened so its not what we need, its what we got. 

 

now about those riots all last year. yes no maybe getting a teensy more in depth on those?

[The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Hey, that's much more insightful than the other explanations suggested on my question about what stopped the "insurrection".

 

They got tired.

Trump told them to stop.

Their bus was leaving in 30 minutes.

 

Maybe magic happy times fairy dust was sprinkled down on the Capitol that day to stop the insurrectionists too?  The lengths big oppressive government advocates will go to deny the reality that our government has gone off the rails appears endless.  And sadly whether you advocate for them or not they are out to screw us all just the same.  

 

last night a lawyer that represents alot of the people arrested for 1/6  was on tim pools podcast. he says he is digging in to get the answers and they will come out at the trials. there may be more info given. journalist that actually do their jobs have confirmed there were agents embedded within the protestors and all extra security was denied by the mayor.

 

if anyone says the whole situation is not highly suspect is fooling themselves for a department that has complete freedom to monitor phones and e mails of its citizens to be "caught by suprise" when plots were OPENLY shared on social media.

 

either a plot of insurrection was "missed" and the institutions cited to "protect  us" are at the very least inept at their primary job or this was allowed to happen for other reasons..one of these IS TRUE.

 

so the depatment of homeland security gets advocates to gain more powers a higher budget and more jurisdiction. the democrats WILL be using this repeatedly as a topic well into the 2022 elections and new boogeymen to pit each other against..make sure you keep your eyes on your neighbors..it could be them!

 

so the next question besides "why they stopped?"

 

who benefited? it certainly wasn't republicans. 🤔

 

anyways im probably being flagged and watched for this post so ill stop here before my door gets kicked in and my family taken off in a van.

 

heres the podcast that may have more info if you got time to hear the whole thing i didnt listen to it yet.

 

 

some unbiased journalists are beginning to ask question...more to come

 

id subscribe to both. 

[The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection]

36 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So if their whole purpose was to overthrow the government why did they have return trips or even care about leaving?  

 

“***** look at the time!  Ok guys. Gotta roll or the buses are leaving without us!” 
 

So you, in three words, just killed your whole accusation/argument.  Bravo!  

 

lol ok guys the bus leaves at 7 o clock so make sure we insurrect by 6 30. i got work tommorrow morning.

 

i give you alot of credit jim. you are pretty relentless at actually trying to extract a discussion out of some of these members that are obviously not here for that.

[The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection]

58 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

There a lot of of holes in the insurrection narrative regarding the Capitol building on 1/6.  The biggest one is a simple yet important question.  I've scoured the media for anything that might provide an answer.  I can't find anything that meets such criteria.  In fact I haven't even seen the question asked.  I've thought this through for a while.  The question is this:

 

What stopped the insurrection from succeeding on 1/6?

 

To set the stage there was a crowed of approximately 500,000 protesters reported.  Of that crowd about 900 were said to enter the Capitol.  So a little less than .2% of the crowd participated in the lawful and unlawful entering of the Capitol.  I say lawful and unlawful because reports suggest about 1/2 of the protesters entering the Capitol were "invited in" by the Capitol Police.  So about .1% committed a crime of trespass. 

 

So the alleged idea was through any means necessary to:

1) stop the 2020 election results from being certified by Congress

2) stop the transition of power to the new administration

 

So who and what stopped this from happening? 

It wasn't the military.  There were no active units deployed or engaged.

It wasn't the national guard. Congressional leaders informed of potential trouble ignored those warnings and declined the offer of the guard.

It wasn't the DC police.  They didn't have jurisdiction.

It wasn't the Capitol Police  They had a regular contingent of officers on duty that day and were ill prepared for the crowd or any potential trouble despite warnings.

It wasn't members of Congress from either party.  Reports suggest they were all hiding and running from the building.

 

Given there was no organized resistance to this armed insurrection loaded up with AR-15s, hand guns, explosives, all kinds of weapons (that's the story being peddled, right?) what stopped them from locating, finding, chasing down, capturing, injuring, or killing any or all representative or senators that they were targeting?  As there was little or nothing to stop them. 

Magically, with nothing in the way of achieving their "planned" objectives" it appears they just decided to turn around, leave, and go home.  All without any reasonable explanation.  From anyone, anywhere.  That doesn't sound like the behavior of armed insurrectionists bent on "over-throwing" or disrupting the mechanisms of government. 

 

This is like the Greeks hiding in the Trojan Horse, stealing out of the horse in the dead of night, opening the gates of the city, then leaving and headed home.  But we know that didn't happen. 

Or like Antifa breaking through the perimeter of the Federal Court House in Portland and then turning around to head back to their mom's basements.  While we are all pretty confident they would have ransacked, destroyed, and burned the building to the ground given the chance.

 

But these "Trump" insurrectionist" with nothing in their way to stop them from achieving their objectives just decided to forget about it all and just leave and go home.  Simply excepting defeat after all the time and effort "planning" the attack and trudging all the way to DC just to leave empty handed.  Logic would conclude the insurrection narrative is complete BS.  But logic and Washington politics are mutually exclusive concepts.

 

good analysis and interesting question. 

 

thats not seen alot here.

 

the only thing that happened was the death of babbit. as shown by much of the video i think alot of people were swept up in mob mentality. the gunshot and her death is the only thing that might of snapped alot of the people into reality on how serious this was. as you pointed out, some police invited them in. id have to think that seeing someone shot would turn attention towards her recieving help and scare anyone off that was not intending on truly overthrowing  our government. 

 

[Non-biased, well thought out comparison of Bills & Chiefs from KC fans perspective.]

2 hours ago, jletha said:

I would disagree that the largest gap is at QB. Allen was very close to Mahomes statistically last year and while I think Mahomes is better there are other positions with larger gaps. Particularly at TE. I think Kelce allows them to exploit defensive matchups that we cant because of his versatility. Beyond that their defensive line was much better than ours.

 

Im not sure if you swap Mahomes and Allen last season the result of the AFC Champ would be different.

 

good take. id say its our D and offensive line that has to make the leap to catch up to KC, not qb. if we could hold off the kc onslaught and take advantage of any mistakes...fumbled punt then we win the game. D couldnt handle the speed so we were stuck in zone where kelsay can dominate. i think our cbs just dont have speed to play man and that was not addressed so the coaches are going for D line to make the ball come out/ pressure to negate it. hopefully our run blocking improved. wait and see.

[Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire]

29 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I did miss that... I really don't like the distraction this is causing, but calling for him to be cut because of his emotional comments is an emotional reaction at this point.

 

My hope is that he comes to his senses and realizes that playing in the NFL requires tremendous sacrifice. And that the amount of discomfort and restriction from the protocols he's subjected to is minute compared to what many other professions endure, and certainly minimal compared to being deployed overseas. 

 

I really wish he had stuck to his guns when he said he'd be back on social media next year. I don't like potential this has to turn into a greater distraction... At the same time, he has the right to use his platform to say whatever he wants... 

 

When the rubber hits the road is if / when he actively flaunts the protocols and his actions, not his words, are in violation of NFL Covid policy. At that point, it stops being about his freedom and becomes about him being a literal danger to his team.

 

No, it has nothing to do with him not taking the vaccine and everything to do with him telling the NFL he refuses to follow the rules for vaccinated players. 

 

cant argue with that take at all. strange how when i interact with you you seem like a logical guy. then i see some of your posts in the political thread and they seem...different. lol maybe who your talking to changes things. anyways i also see the take he should shut up about his "personal decisions". i doubt anyone has that take for the vac selfies. that too is a personal decision i respect but because its "the right thing to do" it gets applauded instead of condemned. 

 

at the end of the day its good cole is putting his decision out there to be known. make it known where you stand and accept the consequences. hes doing it now, before the season so its not a distraction. the league and him can handle it and come to a conclusion before camp and the bills are better off having this on the table rather then something popping up mid season. i have zero issue with that and not sure why anyone else would.

[What do you expect from our 3rd year players?]

its so strange to see the takes on these players many are exact opposite from what i think

 

oliver is solid. it can't be discounted he was asked to play 1 tech last year which is not his body type or works to his strengths.  a 3 tech whos able to explode and penetrate. still performed admerably. my biggest concern is we did not draft or get a true 1 tech backup. star is it. if he goes down we are once again asking oliver to fill in, lose the "important" splash stats and have many people declaring bust. hopefully phillips is developing into a solid 1 tech and is the reason they neglected a important role in the D scheme that are 1 injury away from losing. effecting the entire D success.

 

cody. i agree with this one. he will never be a tackle and put most our lack of run game, not on our backs..but poor blocking. i find it pretty strange that the one true strength we had was our tackles and yet we went heavy on tackles that really have no chance to convert to guards in the draft. maybe we can push our tackles inside if our interior struggles again but they wont like it and putting rookies on the outside is going to be rough no matter how you slice it. hoping the interior is vastly improved for run blocking.

 

singletary. alot of people have issue with his home run speed. i dont and dont think the coaches do either. see above why i think our run game stunk. what i really think matters is Singletarys blocking. its why he beefed up so much this offseason. he HAS to improve it or he will get pulled/less plays under moss. hopefully his dedication to improving his weakness has not effected his strength, quick flinch reaction change of direction

 

knox..again i think coaches are more concerned about his blocking. hopefully he works on any drop issues and has improved rout running but. i believe the coaches are more concerned about his blocking and why they are interested in a well rounded vet so much.

 

my 2 cents on the players

 

 

[Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire]

4 hours ago, teef said:

this.  this is exactly what i'm talking about.  

 

people don't like the rules set up during covid, but they were necessary.  why?  because it's obvious that some people just aren't smart enough to take care of themselves.  they need to be watched like children and told what to do.  when they don't get their way, they tantrum.  that's what cole is doing now.  

 

i been a fan of teef for 2 forums now. this is the first time i seen you truley serious other then football talk. granted I'm not on a ton.

 

seeing as there have been gov officials who have "told the idiots" what to do this whole time. many orders of which directly resulted in loved ones death. ( research the nursing home coverup/ murders) ( mask flipflop) ect. ect. i could go on. hindsight has shown that your opinion simply isn't correct in alot of circumstances. doing what you feel is right against public pressure isnt some crime..its personal freedom. in many cases its protected loved ones through this.

 

so imo. its not a good look.

 

unlike many in this thread on Beasley. i disagree with your opinion. but still a fan and wish you to remain gainfully employed. 👍

[Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire]

7 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

You missed the whole thing where he said he won't follow the NFL Covid protocols put in place even if he has to retire. 

 

no i didnt. thats his choice and he says he will stand by it. if the league kicks him out...good luck thanks you for your service. if not welcome back thank you for your service.

 

i think you missed my original post where either way..."cut his a$%" is pretty pathetic response from the fan base.

[Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire]

52 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think anyone who uses "personal choice" in the context of this discussion is not understanding the controversy over what Beasley said.

 

ok explain it cause all i read is what was in the OP. it pretty clearly states that he wants to make a "personal choice" on his health in several different ways and is uncompromised in that choice regardless of what happens career or healthwise.

 

what did i miss?

 

ohh is it the fact hes making the decision known to the public? so every celebrity and athlete that takes a "vax selfie" is applauded but this...this deserves "cut the bum".

 

politics. 🙄

 

 

[Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire]

alot of fan loyalty going on here for a guy whos making personal decisions and has done all he can to better our franchise.

 

unreal.

 

i hope he does what he feels right for himself and his family regardless what that might be and hope to see him in uniform for this team...period.

[The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

So at the gym no mask and 20% faster on did treadmill. Who woulda thunk more O2 was helpful writh your workout. 🙄

 

or working out regularly is proven to enhance your immune system!

 

that may be benificial if one might need to fight off any possible bacterial or viral infections out there. 

 

[We The People Get Ready to Pay Out More Cash Come July .]

lol lots of good counter arguments 

 

lets see we have a 

 

"stop embarrassing yourself"

 

and a "yikes"

 

really good in depth stuff. 

[AOC's abuela]

4 hours ago, unbillievable said:

 

The logical solution is to stop subsidizing corporations. No more government assistance so wages can naturally go up.

 

...but Republicans can't even cut the $300 BONUS from unemployment without the Democrats accusing them of starving children.

 

 

 

 

true. another good start is unionizing these giant corporations. could be a start to offering better wages and benefits. atlanta had their offer but voted unionization down so i guess they like what amazon is offering outside of representarion, yet aoc and people on message boards declare they know whats best and advocate the job is not even offered to begin with. 

 

[AOC's abuela]

9 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

You’re probably drunk or just a dumbass.

 

I don’t know if you know how to read or have comprehension on your reading ability but your take makes me think you’re illiterate.

 

Adding ***** jobs isn’t a good thing. Hey we would employee X amount of people, yet we won’t pay them a wage to support where they live so they need to feast on the government teet. Like are you an idiot? If you’re a Republican you’d support AOC here. Why bring in jobs and people where they will need more government support because a company can’t function without the government subsiding employees?

 

 

thats your counter argument? the jobs pay xxx and require workers get assistance to make up the difference. so its a good idea to not bring the jobs at all so people FULLY rely on gov assistance. lol

 

and I'm the illiterate drunk?

 

have a good one.

 

[AOC's abuela]

8 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

She’s doing upsetting right wing people pretty well as evidenced by this thread.

 

she has a better resume than anyone here.

 

This thread was started by an idiot that didn’t even ready the posts that started this entire thing.

 

So on this thread let’s all back off AOC say the OP is wrong and doesn’t have any reading comprehension.

 

We can do a new thread about how AOC sucks.

 

better resume?..bartender corrupt politician...nope.

 

she opposed amazon headquarters in ny that would have employed thousands and injected millions of dollars in tax revenue and the surrounding economy. not a amazon fan but money and new jobs are a good thing for your city, if your not a fool. 

 

her green new deal was a comedy sketch. rebuild every building to be energy efficient ect ect lol. scientist and economist saw that was a joke and blew it off what kind of idiot would remake the economy while a bunch of uncertainty in a...global...shutdown...has...yet....to...recov..oh riiight.

 

of coarse she's been on the side of villianizing police and abolishing prisons, laxing bail and punishments. thats worked out very well for the skyrocketing ny crime rate and countless victims that have endured tragedy in ny. i mean it the countless "victims" are the criminals according to her.  

 

she's pushed the established democrats to enact progressive ideas regardless of party lines like her campaign promised..just kidding, she's a fraud and routinley falls in line.

 

the kids in cages that she cried for! surely she is condemning them living under bridges, being left out in the desert or overpopulating...cages  during a pandemic! whats that? she changed them to "migrant facilities" now? renaming them has saved these people! god bless aoc.

 

a "leader" hides in a closet and lies about how she "survived" her "imminent" danger being nowhere close to it.

 

but she got alot of tik toker fans that enjoy her video game sessions and shes pretty good at collecting money for other peoples districts. ill give her that.

 

she will never see your post and is not interested in a date. its ok to acknowledge the truth about her policies. 😂😅🤣

 

[Name a Right Wing Position]

On 5/24/2021 at 8:25 PM, Capco said:

 

The United States happens to be in a very unique position in the world with respect to currency.  The US Dollar is the reserve currency of the world.  What that effectively means is that there will always be an inordinate amount of demand for the greenback.  Any time a foreign currency transaction occurs it can be thought of as one party buying the other party's money with their own money.  One reason inflation is never a very big problem in the US is because of this demand for dollars.  Look at the rates of inflation by year over the last 20 years; inflation has not gone anywhere close to out of control despite a massive expansion of the money supply.  

 

We'd be stupid not to use this unique position to our advantage.  It's also one of the main reasons why China manipulates their own currency.  They want the Yen Yuan to challenge the dollar as a reserve currency, if not globally then at least regionally.  

 

That doesn't mean that fiscal responsibility is a non-issue.  It is, but inflation is rarely a fiscal issue in modern times.  Economists have so much better of an understanding now than they did preceding the Great Depression (an event which was actually made worse by deflationary policies made in response).  Controlled inflation (i.e. what we have had now for a while) is actually good for the economy.  

 

In modern times, under Donkey presidents, deficits shrink; under GOP presidents, deficits grow.  Both parties are big spenders, but the Dems are also big taxers, especially on the wealthy.  It's interesting how much supposed deference the right gives to the Founding Fathers and Enlightenment philosophes in this respect when they were so obviously against the idea of a class of wealthy families in perpetuity.  In fact, some like Jefferson even advocated for an estate tax far more aggressive than what we have now.  

 

“What is most important for democracy is not that great fortunes should not exist, but that great fortunes should not remain in the same hands. In that way there are rich [persons], but they do not form a class.” -Alexis de Tocqueville

 

hey there i finally got a bit of time. first im not a economist as it is a very complex system but ill give my thoughts.

 

it seems that you make a argument and then give your own counter point.

 

you say we are the source for the worlds currency and that is a unique position. you then go on to say china is challenging this position, and one would be foolish to think they arent gaining major ground. this unique position is not some god given thing that america can and will always hold. just as quickly as the destruction of europe and industrialization gave it to us it can be lost relatively quickly. printing money at a alarming rate just excellerates a decline as basic supply and demand results in devaluation.

 

history is full of countries where they seemed to be in very good economic positions only to have their comfortability pulled from under them, as they use their currency as kindling because fire became more valuable to ones survival.

 

the fact you trust the "official" inflation rates is not a good gauge. everyone knows the fed ARTIFICIALLY keeps it low, as raising it would put a grinding halt to flow. acquiring loans is the life blood of the economy. ask a new home owner who has seen the price of wood skyrocket and can no longer finish. a low income family who has to pay for higher gas and food bills. the list is growing and inflation is hitting people hard yet "utilizing this unique position" seems to not be executed with extreme caution. a global pandemic and countries that put the brakes on their economies is also a unique position. one the world has not seen in the same time frame you speak of. so we should not use the past for accuracy on effects and outcomes.

 

i realize the inflation hitting certain segments is caused by a myriad but spending..sorry BORROWING, TRILLIONS of more dollars before you have even seen the full effects and have yet to recover is beyond foolish. especially for things that are not guaranteed to promote economic growth/ recovery. let the vaccines work, examine the devastation closely and make transparent, targeted bills to get us back on track and we can then discuss huge " i think this will help but who really knows" partisan spending policies riddled with earmarks. 

 

as for us being so much more educated today. i think your severely overestimating.

 

for instance, a long time trump hater and liberal supporter john oliver..who is selling "huge budget bills are ok" in his vid, because thats what biden is pushing, even has to admit that our top economists do not truley understand the tipping point at which hyperinflation would destroy our currency, but lets continue to push bills that tilt us towards this outcome. if, god forbid, it hits. theres no coming back. i dont assume it has been a concern by either side for a very long time. they are both guilty and probably will continue until collapse but [tax the rich] is not some magic that will fix the problems alone, the rich do not just sit back and give away their wealth. they move to more profitable countries and workforces...back to that whole china problem and what can excellerate it.  the poorest person here lives a life those in truley economic devastated countries could only dream. ask the southern boarder. everything has a cost and free money costs us the value of earned. there is no easy fix as, like i said, its complex. i just dont think its wise addressing it by borrowing on unheard of scales ends well. it is playing with with very dangerous fire that can consume EVERYONE. good things never end, until it does. we should stop acting like it cant happen. we have cities like detroit that show how fragile our own micro boom to bust economies can be. 

 

 

 

sorry for the rant or if youve discussed these things already in the thread. just my 2 cents/ metal antiques that used to be worth something 😉

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4 hours ago, Capco said:

 

Just wanted to say thank you for starting this thread off with some good material to work with.  

 

always willing to debate with someone that takes a reasonable stance and is willing to put effort into a conversation. we may not agree but there is too few of people simply hearing out the other side.

 

i will reply to your other reply when i have time. its a bit to go through.