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For all three of these guys - low risk moves. If they come into camp and show they’ve gotten over injuries or have their head straight now or whatever, great! That helps the roster. If not, they get released. Simple.
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12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:
What part of Indiana.
Surely NOT NorthWest Indiana... Because it's close to Chicago and this is one place that exists there:
Not just deep dish or stuffed... You can get classic Chicago thin (cracker) crust too.
Just north of Indy. Northwest Indiana is essentially part of Chicago, don’t you think?
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I have not had a truly good slice of pizza in Indiana and I’ve lived here 30+ years. Bocces, DiPaulos, somebody please put a franchise out here!
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1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:
The post was in no way directed at, nor meant to be demeaning to you in any way. I was just complinenting his post and nothing else. 👍
For the record if a policeman is killed in the line of duty I strongly favor the death penalty for the offender.
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I enjoy reading the comments here. So many of you have such a deeper understanding of the game than me.
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18 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:
Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just addressed this.
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2 hours ago, Rampant Buffalo said:
You make it sound as though bias is a quality possessed by PBF81 alone. Something which uniquely taints his analyses, in comparison to the unbiased analyses you could get elsewhere.
We all have biases. You have a very strong bias against PBF81. That's why you haven't listened to a single thing he's had to say, except for the purpose of dismissing it.
There's a chance the Bills' front office's assessment of Coleman is accurate, and that he will turn into the player we all hope he becomes. But any draft pick involves risk. The specific risk with Coleman is that PBF81 is right. It's not as though PBF81 made up stuff out of whole cloth, for the sole purpose of bringing down your mood. I've watched every pass attempt to Coleman for his 2023 season, and I can see why PBF81 is saying the stuff he is. I'm not saying his predictions are right or wrong. I strongly hope Coleman becomes an excellent receiving option for Josh Allen. Allen definitely deserves a better supporting cast than he's gotten thus far!
I firmly believe that differences in perspective can be extremely valuable to this board. That value creation happens most when people explain why they believe what they believe. The next time you respond to one of PBF81's posts, I would strongly appreciate if you asked yourself the question, how can I respond to this, in the way which adds good value to this board?
I have listened and read some of his stuff. But unfortunately he makes the mistake that is made far too often here and indeed in society at large: he confuses opinion for fact. I have made that mistake myself at times. It’s an easy trap to fall into. When looking at footage and trying to say that Coleman in this case (substitute any player you want) and saying he didn’t get separation and such is a subjective assessment. Facts are not subjective. And I note that when others have watched the same footage and offered differing views they were either ignored or their thoughts discarded.
Do we all have biases? Of course. Is it perhaps your bias that your views on Coleman are more aligned with the individual in question, and that may have prompted your response? I don’t know, you are the only one who can answer that. But when you ask how can I respond in a way that gives value, let me offer two things I have done which I hope do that:
1. I have provided insight from my scientific background on the subject of confirmation bias, which I think adds to the discussion by cautioning folks to not just jump onto the bandwagon or dismiss a player based on some of the discussions herein.
2. I have freely indicated that I don’t do exhaustive review of film and such. I do not do so for two reasons: a). I don’t have the time and 2). Even if I did, I do not have the expertise to judge the play of a college player and how that may or may not translate to the NFL. Nor do the majority of folks on this board, I suspect. How Coleman and the others do will make itself clear now that OTAs have started and camp is around the corner.
As you do, I firmly believe in differing perspectives and their value. Where it gets difficult is when some slavishly adhere to their opinion and refuse to discuss or lash out personally at those with differing views. I don’t think I’ve done so here. I have in the past and have felt bad about it after.
I hope this offers clarification. I will no longer be responding to any of the individual’s posts on player evaluations, as it has been made clear that any comments that take issue with his analyses are not welcome. Other topics however I will consider comment as again, as you point out, differing perspective provide good value. Which answers the question you pose at the end of your remarks.
Go Bills!
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1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:
You expressed concerns that what Butker said would encourage violence against LBGT people but did not seem concerned about Kaep’s comments having similar impact on cops.
I disagreed with his comments about the police, just as I disagreed with Butker’s comments about the LGTBQ community. However, I suppose the police have more capacity to defend themselves if required.
And both individuals had the right to say what they said no matter how much you or I abhor it. And if either made direct threats they should have been arrested.
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Getting close to where he either closes the deal or needing to move on.
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1 hour ago, PBF81 said:
I haven't seen you point out anything in the video to argue the point. All you do is argue what I say about the video.
So how is that different from the criticism that you lay out?
Either way, we've been through this you and I. You don't like to look at facts or evidence much less discuss them. It's all purely argumentative with your only basis seemingly being me and my takes without any specific factual counters. I don't see much point in continuing. I'll be happy to give you a thumbs up on your posts to me and leave it at that henceforth.
I don't have an ax to grind as it appears you may have against Coleman. For me, I just want to see the kid play. Time will tell how good or bad he is, and I would hope we all think he's good. I don't see the need to exhaustively break down film on each and every player. If you have the time and'/or this is your hobby, good for you. Just do it objectively.
In my professional career I act as a peer reviewer for a number of medical and scientific journals. I reject probably 80% of the papers I get because the authors are guilty of confirmation bias. The most important part of a scientific paper to read is the Materials and Methods, and that is where confirmation bias is seen. They set up experiments, controls, statistics, and such to reach a preformed conclusion. So when the Results are reported they really don't mean much. Unfortunately that is what I see in your analysis.
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50 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
Where is Mr. Weisman's detailed analysis?
I don't care about his profile, dig up his past draft profiles, reviews, and statements about how good players will be in the NFL, all of them from rounds 1 and 2, then let's talk.
You also know zero about my background and all the those same types of positions that I've challenged in the past, publicly, and have been correct. Very often to the extent that a year or two later I'd gotten e-mail apologizing for the filth sent my way via e-mail expressing similar thoughts.
I'm quite happy to stand on my positions. They're more accurate on the handful that I've actually done than the big name draft people easily. People do not understand the amount of time it takes to evaluate a player. As mentioned, I've spent the equivalent now, in one, two, and three hour segments, reviewing Coleman, very little of which I've posted here. To do that for several hundred players, even 50 or 100, is impossible within a few short months prior to the Draft. So most of the people putting up things simply regurgitate what others have said. After all, if Weisman is wrong, so what, "everyone was wrong," "everyone thought [blah blah blah]..."
So few people digress with the mainstream or put their stuff out there for criticism. I don't mind. We'll see where this is this fall. But already McD admitting that Coleman isn't going to contribute much this season, ... LOL ... I mean really? Is that really what we need right now, a WR that isn't prepared to contribute this season? At some point people need to start seeing through this idiocy that's holding our team back from being much better than it is.
Either way, I don't care. Just floating my analysis. But honestly, citing the guy as a scout, ... I got into it directly with a scout years ago and he ended up being entirely wrong also. It was an amicable exchange, but just because someone's a scout, look at all the busts and horrible picks, they're all a result of scouts' input. All.
The funny thing is, if Coleman really isn't very good and his play does not translate to the NFL as I've suggested, no one here is going to point out that I was correct, but more importantly for the reasons stated. They'll simply say what everyone else does, that everyone was wrong and thought [blah blah blah], and we'll wash, rinse, repeat the exercise next year.
Either way, dig up the guy's past stuff and let's evaluate how accurate he's been for round 1/2 picks. I already know what it's going to be.
Then shut the forum down. LOL
I'm not merely talking. I provide data and substance for my views. Most of what gets posted here is superficial and emotional and narrative based stuff, just like everywhere on just about every topic in the world. The majority of the substance posted here, or anywhere for that matter, is what others say, but often offer little substance for or superficial substance. That's exactly the case with Coleman. Even Gunner has expressed concerns over Coleman.
No one has to read it. For the handful of people that engage with any substance it's fun. What isn't fun is debating facts v. opinions. Right?
Your data is your opinion, not fact. From my reading it seems you view tape and make decisions as to whether you think there is, for example, separation on a pattern. And when you go into an analysis with a preconceived slant, which it appears you might have, confirmation bias creeps in.
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Hits:
Hamler: gets past the injury bug and finally shows his talent on a consistent basis
Collins: solid backup at T and G
Miller: it usually takes until the second year after an ACL to get back to normal. Look for Von to get more than 10 sacks
Misses:
Claypool: sadly he refuses to get his head straight and gets cut fairly early. Would love to be wrong
Smoot: I think Jonathan is the 4th DE and Solomon will make the roster
Elam: again would love to be wrong, but I just don’t see him ever grasping the zone concepts. We trade him in the preseason.
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9 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe it was a torn ACL, and fractured tibia. It was reported just today that he is a month away from being cleared for practice. Considering the injury, I'll be surprised if he's on the field week one.
But, that being said, I don't think anyone would currently consider Milano as a "reclamation project."
He did not tear his ACL. From the reports I saw he had a tibial plateau fracture.
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12 minutes ago, Einstein said:
that is an entirely different thing than the NFL being OK with it
And it’s the owner of the team that made the call. And if memory serves correct the owners never voted to disallow kneeling league wide.
I feel Kaep had the right to kneel during an anthem. And I also did not agree with his stance on police.
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16 minutes ago, Einstein said:
In what universe was the NFL okay with it? They were begging broadcast partners not to show it and have literally blackballed him from ever playing again.His team owner allowed it. So he got to kneel.
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5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
Cops don’t want to live their lives?
I have no idea where this is coming from, but yes police should be able to live their lives. I am very much pro law and order.
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1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:
True, and I was nervous last year over that spot. I consider that spot less vital though so I wasn't in panic mode.
And who would our hidden gem be? Maybe Shorter? I'm not buying it.
I think the guy in the middle of the defense calling signals is pretty vital.
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2 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:
One big, BIG difference between Kap and Butker is that Kap did his thing on “company time.” To me, and to many others, that makes a world of difference. An analogy would be if right after the SB win, down on the field in post game interviews, Butker would have said some of the stuff he said at the college commencement speech.
And the company was OK with it or it would not have happened.
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Just now, Putin said:
Ok calm down Oldman
I’m perfectly calm. We’re in OTAs now? Let’s turn to actually watching what the kid does and quit doing things like trying to predict a kid’s future from a YouTube video. There’s a lot of confirmation bias both ways.
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2 hours ago, Rampant Buffalo said:
You make a solid point.
That said . . . when I watched some of Josh Allen's college footage, I saw special throws. Throws deep downfield, into tight windows. Big boy throws that most NFL QBs can't make. That wasn't enough for me to make a prediction for or against Allen. I was on the fence about him after the draft, and for his first two years in the NFL. But there was enough there for me to say that he was flashing elite attributes at the college level.
I never got that sense with Coleman. I'm open to the possibility that Coleman's play improves over what he did in college. But I will need to see that improvement actually happen, before I get the anointing oil out for him.
With respect to your last sentence, don’t you think that’s the case for any draft pick?
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7 hours ago, PBF81 said:
Look, there are exceptions both ways. If you want to believe that he's on the positive side of that, great. Time will tell though, not popular belief or consensus.
Take a look at the WRs picked last year in the first two rounds.
It's a mixed bag. Quentin Johnston and Johnathan Mingo are the two that are most like Coleman and neither impressed in any way, shape, or form.
As stated, there are many people and sites that have noted that however.
Well, OK, that's all fine and dandy, but it still doesn't translate to production nor render the fact that he lacked high-end production false.
Again, talk is cheap. And who really likes hearing that he won't be doing much early in the season? As our first overall pick, even at the top of the 2nd, and given our sore lack of and dire need for WRs, that really shouldn't sit well with any Bills fan. Also, in light of that, how long are we supposed to wait for production? What, two, three seasons? ... until he's up for a new contract?
Just asking the tough questions here.
Yes. Talk is cheap. So why do you continue? And that goes for others on the incessantly positive side as well.
At this point he is a Bill, he is going to play and we ALL need to get behind him.
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And we are still where we were when all this started. A player has the right to say what he wants, people reading or hearing it have the right to express their opinions if they be negative or positive. The league and the team have a responsibility to the other players and teams to indicate the player speaks only for himself.
And of course as with seemingly everything these days it all comes down to political persuasion. Some of the same people who lambasted Kaepernick for his stance fall all over themselves praising Butker. And vice versa.
Speaking as an Independent, both these guys had the absolute right to express themselves however they wanted. I was OK with Kaepernick kneeling because he cleared it with a Green Beret as being appropriate, and I understand those who hated it. To me the flag stands for freedom, and what you do with your freedom may be repugnant to me but that’s the way it goes.
Same with Butker. But with Butker I am less understanding because of his views about the LGBTQ community. Comments like his get like minded folks charged up and that can result in direct harm to folks who simply want to live their lives. His comments about women? Women I know waver between being pissed at the guy and laughing at him, and they are OK with someone wanting to be a homemaker. That’s not a choice the vast majority of women I know would make, but to each her own.-
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2 minutes ago, Doc said:
How many? Maybe 2 (Coleman and Bishop). If any other rookies start, it's gravy.
I think you'll see Davis on the field a lot, and the C from UGA has a shot. Hoping the DE from Troy shows something.
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10 minutes ago, Einstein said:
The idea that the ‘public’ would ever think that a place-kickers words spoken at an off-season, non-NFL related, non-NFL endorsed, non-NFL created event would in any way represent the NFL is a tad ludicrous.
Yet that is what happens. The NFL protects the shield like it or not. The health care network I work for would do the same if I made remarks that ticked off a lot of folks.
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