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Just now, Boatdrinks said:
You’re underrepresenting the rioters. They have taken over, and their numbers aren’t that small. On the flip side, people should actually realize that the number of bad cops is indeed small, and not buy the media narrative. In both cases ( looters and rioters are small percentage, outsiders etc etc) and the “ systemic racism” b.s . are media driven narratives removed form the reality.
I'm not. If the numbers were bigger, it would be open warfare with tons of blood shed and death in the streets.
Most protesters, and most police have good intentions, it's the bad ones the media keeps showing on repeat all day long.
None of the peaceful protests across the country are getting any coverage at all. They're just focusing on the most out of control situations to spin a narrative that that is what is happening all over the country.
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8 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:
Yesterday. He needed the military to help him get there.
I know you have 5G signs in your eyes but see there is plenty of video evidence.
Trump is a coward.
He's a weak man with self confidence issues who wears spray tanner and makeup to hide his insecurities.
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3 minutes ago, Magox said:
By not forcefully condemning it to the max, falsely and dishonestly making an equivalency to peaceful protesters being abused and hardly discussing it is a form of tacit minimization. The idea that people are focusing on this as opposed to the true abuse from the looters, rioters and arsonists is as I mentioned Orwellian.
And for those of you who are partaking in this patently repulsive notion, yes you are part of an Orwellian construct. This is IN FACT a societal condition that is destructive to the welfare of our free and open society. We have laws for a reason, and just because an injustice in the system occurred and even if it is systemic, it doesn't give the right for these people to not follow the laws. This is pure destruction and there are shades and elements of 'The purge' that is taking place. This is pure anarchy.
Good God.
The constitution and first amendment protect their right to assemble, protest and petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The vast majority of the people protesting are doing so peacefully.
A small percentage of them are going to these protests armed with hammers, bricks and knives with backpacks full of fireworks and molotov cocktails. These trouble makers maybe represent 5% of the crowds. They use the crowd as a shield, throw rocks and bricks at police to provoke a response, and then all hell breaks loose.You can't sit there and say the whole crowd needs to be punished equally, when a tiny percentage of the people are there to incite violence and start riots. Most are exercising their first amendment rights.
On the flip side, I'm not saying every cop is bad because a few have been caught on camera spraying pepper spray at protesters who are peacefully kneeling or lying down, following police instructions.
You can't have it both ways.
There is a lot of blame to go around. A few bad apples in the crowds, and a few bad apples among the cops. That's what makes these situations so difficult to control, because most people aren't doing anything wrong.
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6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
False choice. If it were Obama , protesters would part like the Red Sea. It wouldn’t be necessary. In short, yes I’m for the President being protected from mobs of ne’er do wells. The church is a piece of history, and he rightly wanted to pay a visit.
Rightly wanted to pay a visit?
Sorry, when has Trump been to Church over the last year?
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20 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:
Eye level view
These are the type of scenes you'd see out of China or Iran.
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Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:
How ANYONE can approve of the rioting, looting, killing from these mobs is beyond my comprehension. I guess it is all "righteous" until your (generic your) house is torched, until your business is looted, until your child is hurt, until your spouse is beaten-up. At that point, when it impacts them personally, maybe those idiots will finally figure out... these people ain't your friends. They ain't representing anything you want to be associated with.
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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
But rioting helps the jobs come back?
I'm going to assume many of the rioters are part of the 40 million people unemployed over the last 10 weeks.
Low income people working in cities who have lost their jobs and have nothing better to do.
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1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:
Actually, before the economic shutdown due to the virus, it was at an all time low. Don't you ever tire of manipulating stats and telling outright lies to prove your points.
If your arguments are supported by accurate, truthful facts, then why don't you try presenting some?
No the issue is that you are a deceptive in your arguments
Your reading comprehension skills seem to still be lacking.
When did I say it wasn't low?
I said, have you looked RECENTLY, and you immediately put words in my mouth, changing my argument, as you always do.
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Just now, bilzfancy said:
Because of the virus
Right.
The issue is those jobs aren't coming back anytime soon.
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9 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:
Yep, under Trump black unemployment is the lowest ever, more blacks are off welfare and food stamps under him too. Dems want blacks on government assistance to keep power over them.
Have you looked at black unemployment recently?
It's currently over 16%.
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6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Oh brother! Tell me again how tax breaks for the rich, impact the poor? We’ve already overspent the ‘rich’ people’s taxes by $20 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!! Let me know when you think we’ve gotten to the right number. The goal should be a society where EVERYONE pays a proportionate share. We’ve proven beyond any doubt that redistribution simply doesn’t work. In fact, it makes things way, way worse!
That would be the goal in plutocracy.
In a democracy populist ideals, particularly on taxes are much more common.
Redistribution hasn't been utilized since the 1960s when the top tax bracket paid 90% income tax.
Over the past 40 years, the rich have paid less tax and everyone else has paid more, and the result has been a massive increase in income inequality.
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Just now, Reality Check said:
Well, you never mention all the jobs that were sent overseas to some of our most trusted friends like China. Were you a supporter of cheaper goods at Walmart while local business suffered and industrial jobs left town? Hey, maybe you are part of the problem. Put your life and money where your mouth is and present a viable solution. You behave like this forum is an extension of protesting in the streets. Try solving a problem first and get back to me.
Don't get defensive. That doesn't advance our discussion.
All I'm pointing out is that the five poorest states in the US based off GDP per capita are South Carolina, Arkansas, West Virginia, Idaho and Mississippi. Conservative principals have obviously not worked there, so the issue is more than just democratic policies failing in "urban jungles". Things are failing everywhere.
The solution in my eyes is to go back to a tax system like the one the US had during or just before Ronald Reagan, where the top tax bracket was between 50 and 70%. Raise taxes dramatically on people who earn large incomes, and lower taxes for everyone else. Put money back in the pockets of people who actually need it, and make the super wealthy pitch in more to the system that has allowed them to stockpile their wealth. A wealth tax is also something I could get behind on wealth above like $10 million (not a low threshold).
In all seriousness, with where the economy is heading and how fast its heading their with Artificial Intelligence, I think Andrew Yang's idea of guaranteed universal basic income is something to look at. In 10 years a ton of industries that employ huge numbers of people will be gone. Trucking, food service, taxis, bus drivers, etc. It'll all be taken over, or at least dominated by Artificial Intelligence.
Technology is obviously taking over the world, and I think within 10, maybe 15 years many of the jobs Americans depend on now will be almost entirely gone and the work force won't have the necessary education to find new things to do in the economy we'll have then.
And no, I don't support cheap goods. Over the last few years my wife and I support brands we like, who manufacture domestically or actively try to reduce their carbon footprint. That's our choice to support small businesses with those characteristics, and it often comes at a greater cost but we're willing to pay it.
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Just now, Reality Check said:
You are living in fantasy land. It makes no difference to me what happens in the urban jungles. They have to figure out their own mess, and they appear to be incapable of solving anything. The only consistent solution adopted in the urban jungles is taxes and welfare. That formula has failed. Why?
This solution has failed all over the country in all types of communities.
Over the past 40 years, the gap between the rich and poor has grown exponentially and people of all colours have been left behind to live in poverty while the rich get richer.
Decade after decade, tax breaks have been given to the people who need them the least, and trickle down economics has proven to be a colossal sham.
I agree that most cities have major problems. But so do rural communities all over the South and Mid West.
Suggesting this is just an urban problem isn't reality.
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9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:
Laws mean nothing to those who are bent on breaking them. Murder is illegal, so Chicago should be a Utopia full of sunshine and rainbows , right ? Thinking laws or silly protests can eliminate all wrongdoing is foolish. There will be police who use excessive force, civilians who murder, etc etc. Police involved deaths are relatively rare, and more whites are killed per annum than blacks in these cases. Military force should be used now. It won’t make it worse, it will end the lawlessness.
This is only true because there are 6x as many whites as blacks.
On a per capita basis more blacks are killed and it's not close.
8 hours ago, Buftex said:He's a fat disgusting gas bag...puny man.
Sure is. He wants to be a strong man, but everyone knows he's a coward with confidence issues.
He wears make up, uses fake tanner, etc. He's extremely insecure, which is why anytime anyone criticizes him he has to snap back.
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9 hours ago, Reality Check said:
How do you know that. People break laws every day, especially law enforcement officers and judges. Heroin is illegal, and it's everywhere. Changing a law and changing behavior are not the same thing.
Right, but you're not going to change behaviour without changing some laws.
Doing nothing is obviously not the solution. That's not an option at this point.
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Just now, Reality Check said:
Then get your stomach ready for what should be obvious, more violence and the inevitable appearance of US troops on American streets.
100%. Nothing stopping it at this point until laws are changed.
An American Tiananmen Square won't miraculously make people stay home. If anything that'll just make things worse.
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5 minutes ago, Reality Check said:
We heard their grievances. If they are going to grieve every day in the streets forever and ever while Antifa destroys neighborhoods every night then they are stupid, and no one will ever want to live in those neighborhoods ever again. Not too smart.
Nothing has changed yet so I'm sure the people protesting beg to differ.
I get you want it to go away. I'm sure most people do, but the camels back is broken. A man being asphyxiated for 9 minutes while screaming for his life on camera was the breaking point. This isn't ending until real steps are taken to change the way policing is done in America.
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3 minutes ago, Justice said:
And now two officers, one local and one state, have been hit by a car and have been taken to the hospital. Sad.
Unbelievable. In Buffalo too.
Hopefully they're alright.
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Just now, Reality Check said:
Clearly the crowds need to wise up and go home.
No one is telling these crowds what to do or how to do it. No one is successfully going to tell them they can't air their grievances.
That is why they're protesting!!!
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1 minute ago, njbuff said:
There are conflicting reports on that. So, don't trust the numbers you are told on this issue.
Fair enough.
I'm just saying, on Twitter the vast majority of the bad apples have been young white males carrying hammers and bricks trying to lights buildings and cars on fire.
Who knows where they're from. Maybe those cities, maybe from outside.
They provoke the cops, the cops step in to stop it, and the actual protesters wind up clashing with cops because they don't think they're doing anything wrong.
These anarchists know exactly what they're doing. Just use the crowd as a shield to cause as much trouble as possible.
1 minute ago, Reality Check said:The protesters have a responsibility to stop protesting if every time they protest violence happens. Night after night they are putting themselves in a predictably worse situation then they did the night before. Are they going to just roam the streets protesting for months on end?
No they don't.
If they go home, their cause gets swept under the rug until the next time it happens.
Peaceful protests are happening all over the country.
A lot have turned violent, some a lot more than others, and those are the only ones the media is showing.
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1 minute ago, njbuff said:
If they are a small percentage, we need more of the peaceful protesters to point these people out and have them arrested.
That's easier said than done when most go to the protest with a sign and they go to the protest with hammers, bricks and knives.
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1 minute ago, njbuff said:
It's happening in ALL Democratic run cities.
Right.
That's where like 90% of African Americans live.
The ones causing trouble aren't from those cities. Several police departments have said the majority of people they've been arresting are from out of town or even out of state. Minneapolis said on Saturday it was like 80%.
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Just now, njbuff said:
Remember it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. And in this case the violent thugs are DESTROYING the message that was originally supposed to be sent.
I completely agree.
I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense to mow down a crowd of protesters when a few people are the problem.
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1 minute ago, njbuff said:
The left wants this chaos. That is pretty obvious.
I don't think it's obvious at all.
Anarchists want chaos. They might be right or left.
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