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    Fact vs Fiction: "Keon Coleman is not a separator"

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    Hi hope people in this board und e stand that year 1 for Cloeman could be underwhelming while ge adjusts to the NFL.

     

    Wr is a position that often takes a year or two to develop at the pro level.

     

    I can already hear the crys of "he is a bust, a wasted draft pick, Beane is an idiot and should be fired".

     

    Give this young man time to adjust to the next level before rushing to judgement.

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    This may be Beans best draft ever. I loved every pick

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    12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

    This was probably Beane’s most disciplined draft even though it sounds like he was trying to move up for Bishop.  The roster needed to get younger and cheaper.  He really did a nice job there to the point where despite what he’s saying I could see Beane going after an Aiyuk type WR post June 1.  St.

    Good post.alary

     

    I do believe the Bills will sign I r trade for our wr 1 after White's salary hit goes away. 

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    10 hours ago, Process said:

    Well that was an interesting end to the night to say the least. Traded twice to teams that took WRs......

     

    We now have 20 hours to discuss our first pick. 

     

    If the Bills simply like someone like Mitchell more, and take him at 33, I am fine with the trades, actually they would be nice moves. 

     

    If they traded picks that ended up being Worthy and Leggette and then take a freaking safety from Iowa, it's time to take the pitchforks out.

     

    Who are your best remaining and who do you want them to pick?

    I agree on taking Mitchell on day 2.

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    39 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said:

     

     

    people are just mad because they're worried about the media skewering/trolling from other fan bases that will come IF Worthy pans out and the Chiefs continue to own the Bills.  

     

    This would be akin to the Sabres trading their first round pick to Toronto and having the Leafs draft a superstar with it.

     

    It's not a rational view of the trade down, it's simply fear of being mocked for years to come.

    This trade is going to take on a major revisionists history.

     

    The fact is KC most likely would have drafted Worthy at 32.

     

    All Beane did was significantly improve our day 2 draft Capitol.

     

    This was the right move .

     

    I am confident that we will get a quality receiver today.

     

     

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    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    23 hours ago, mannc said:

    Thank you.  No one in the top 10 is interested in moving to 28, and the Bills’ first next year is a devalued asset because the assumption is that it too will be a late pick.   A move up to the mid-teens is possible, but that’s about it.  Although I do think it’s possible that Odunze slides to that part of the draft…

    I would be okay with Odunze st 28.

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    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    33 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Yep 

     

    The draft is an inexact science. Recent early WRs have been good (Chase, Wilson, Olave, Flowers, Addison, etc..). The top 3 guys in this draft have graded out as high or higher than any WR in the previous 2 drafts. There is no sure thing but not everyone has the same likelihood to succeed either. 

    I doubt we will be moving high enough to draft one of tge top 3 wrs.

    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Um, it’s a different world than 10 years ago. The Bills have a franchise QB. The cost for a high end WR is roughly double the cap space that it was a decade ago. There are LOTS of logical reasons to go way up. Sammy Watkins not working out 10 years ago isn’t even a data point that the Bills are considering when deciding what to do. There is no correlation between him not working out and the 2024 Bills draft. Julio Jones is a better example because the Falcons had a high end starter and wanted to get him a star. That’s infinitely more relevant to this conversation but still isn’t a factor in the Bills decision making process. 
     

    Secondly, the college game changed the pro game not the other way around. NFL spread offenses designed to get the ball to playmakers in space are just copies of  college offenses. Receivers translate easily and for those of us that watch a lot of college football, those guys are easily identifiable.
     

    Does someone really believe that the WR that the Bills draft will not be their number 1 immediately?? 😂😂 Is that for real? The Bills have a solid slot WR with good production on low volume. They have a gadget guy that is good with the ball in his hands. If we do not understand that the draft pick walks off the bus as the alpha in the WR room we do not understand the current WR room.

    I wonder how many people still get this reference? 

    What hasn't changed is the fact that many wrs taken after the 1st round will exceed some of these 1st round "studs" in their NFL careers.

    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    16 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

    That is very lazy thinking. I suppose you could say that without taking into consideration the particulars of any draft. No one knows, so why trade up? But that isn't strictly true. There are tiers, and there are players with greater chances of success than others. Of course, there's always risk. You can't eliminate that in life, so you can't eliminate it from the draft. Certainly, folks who reactively think Sammy Watkins is somehow the basis of a draft law of gravity that means you should never trade up for a WR are not prudential enough. Practical wisdom is taking into consideration the precise nature of particular situations, and choosing what is best. 

     

    That doesn't mean moving up for a top 3 WR is correct. The cost might be too much, but it might also be worth the risk, depending . . . so one hopes Beane makes the right calculation.

    I disagree it is lazy thinking, but you are entitled to yout opinion.

     

    For years, many posters here have lamented that the Bills should not have wasted draft capitol to move up when that draft was do deep at wr.  That sounds very similar to this draft.  "Those that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it"

     

    Fans get so pumped up about certain players because these self appointed "draft experts" hype them in their mock drafts.

     

    The Bills have too many needs to burn draft picks on an unnecessary move up.

     

    There was another thread started recently that made the point that regardless of which wr the Bills pick in the draft, they would still need a #1 wr.  The op made a valid point in that thread.

     

    This is just my opinion for what it's worth.

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    Has the final four replaced the SB as your most enjoyable sporting event!?

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    17 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

    Will always love the BILLS , esp the 90’s teams and their greatness, but imho the final 4 is more pure athletic joy to watch over the much hyped , but often predictable, often less competitive Sb! 

     

         For one thing tonight’s national anthem was performed beautifully , flawlessly , with no improvised runs or interpretation.  Done by a Native American who moved the crowd to chant USA, USA with no ongoing war , just moved by her performance which was fabulous and has replaced Whitney’s rendition imo ,{albeit it was still supporting the USA at a time of war}. Just my opinion , but thats how you show pride in your country with no political agenda. If that didn’t move you , maybe you are either very jaded or over medicated. 

     

          The quality of competition in march madness has been really good, and the meaning to each player , some of whom will never become pros , leads to the exhibition of passion pro sports fails to reach at this point. Now foes are just buddies, who share commercials, may even be teammates the next season, plus they are all highly paid and they know there is always  next year because there is no eligibility limit other than your teams needs / cap limits. However, there are 31 other chances to catch on.   The NFL  is a mans sport , and nothing can match the youthful  exuberance that we all Lose with time and experience. I loved the nfl/bills so much in my 20’s that iwent  to two superbowls.  Great experiences i was so happy to attend; yet now it is such a corporate , highly over priced event that there is no longer any amount of money you could pay me to be treated as nothing more than a commodity by a multibillion dollar business who still begs for taxpayors monies while holding communities hostage threatening to move  their franchises despite years of faithful support. 

     

          That leads to the actual players we are supposed to be fans of, enjoy their unique talents. Some live up to that lofty expectation and i salute those who somehow retain their humility. But then we are exposed to many criminals, many with children by several “baby-mommas” as if some badge of honor, and of course , the narcissists who speak about teamwork but whose actions prove they are only about their personal gains and are really not about anything but their “ bag”. It’s just not as prevalent in college and they still play for each other. enjoying possibly their only chance to win a championship. It’s a business still, but not as in your face as ‘THE SHIELD”  is. 

        Also , basketball is played much the same as it was in the 70’s , other than held balls and the 3 point line. Try and keep up with pro football , and the myriad of changes makes it hard to grasp each year   It’s  still way too often decided by too many part time refs and waiting literally on minutes for replay to still come back with not enough evidence or even frankly still wrong. Basketball doesn’t suffer from all the delays between plays , reviews, innumerable commercials .  Rare doe it have  Overhyped ,overextended halftimes.  It’s still a faster paced game. 

     

    And never tell me about so called football experts, its plethora of podcasters that talk like they know more than regular fans, or all the draftniks who spend hours evaluation tons of mock drafts..  they are rarely even close and do all that wasted “film time” , as only 4-5 0f drafted players from each time will even see plating time. Yeah tell me experts have validity when almost 0 0f them predicted Diggs being traded. Actually criticizing any other opinion  sarcastically “because there was no way with that cap hit”!  It’s just proof , experts are no more than guessing amateurs and spending money on their “opinions” is just akin to scams. If you can’t predict a major trade like Diggs , how far off must your other advice be ?   

     

       But my main point still comes down to which event do you enjoy more?  The SB , with its multimillion dollar athletes who will do the same all over again next year , with little on the line for them personally as most have already made their fortunes , or the excitement of march madness who didn’t have 2 anthems sung to please its corporate crowd., and is still the same sport we basically all have played. I love the BILLS , but i really don’t care about the offseason that much. Because time after time , the season isn’t won until it actually counts.   The SB is good, most time anti climatic, but march madness and the final 4 is still ascending.  Give me a BILLS win and i might feel different,,,,but 55 years is a lot to ask!  Still, a great anthem tonight!  Great game tonight!  

     

     

     

    Not even close. 

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    To draft a WR or not with 1st round pick

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    21 hours ago, Yantha said:

    Personally I think we need to try to trade Stefon Diggs BEFORE the draft day for a pick package that nets a second rounder in some way.

     

    I'm happy to move on from Diggs and go all in with this WR class.

    Won't/can't happen this year due to huge cap hit.

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    CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

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    6 hours ago, FireChans said:

    That Trent Sherfield sucks and he’s not an ideal player to start against our biggest playoff rival that has a 3 time champion HoF QB/Coach combo? 
     

    It’s not that hard of a narrative to push. It’s pretty factual.

    See my last quote.

     

    This is getting redundant.

    CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

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    2 hours ago, FireChans said:

    Maybe if our receivers were better than Mahomes’, we would’ve been to a Super Bowl.

     

    Unfortunately, we got stuck with Trent Sherfield and his alligator arm efforts led us to need a FG to tie in the closing minutes. Which was predictably shanked. 
     

    No one is saying Beane sucks or the Bills suck. Their WR management and group has been overall insufficient. Who could argue this? No one.

     

    I know you can’t even debate it because you hilariously aren’t even trying to. You just say things like, “we won the AFCE” like that has anything to do with the conversation. 
     

    If you want to tell me that the investments into the WR group over the last 3 seasons have been good, I’d love to hear why. Otherwise, you just want to wave poms poms and you should just quit while you’re behind.

    I respect your dedication to your narrative. 

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    CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

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    2 hours ago, FireChans said:

    It’s the biggest problem. You can argue he’s done a great job with DL depth every year, it’s doesn’t change that the WR group has been completely mismanaged.

    Look at our winning record  during Beanes time  with the Bills.  The division championships,  the playoff wins.

     

    So the wr group was not up to your stanard.  Wa wa wa.

     

    Mahomes is the reason we have not been to the super bowl.   Nit our wide receivers.

    2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    Thanks but I liked @FireChans "don't p!ss on our heads and tell us it's raining better" though. :thumbsup:

     

    It's a message board we are going to draw distinctions between winning SB's versus getting beaten in the divisional round every year.    

     

    If you think it's all the same level of accomplishment.........that's your prerogative to feel that way but the objective of the game is, in fact,  to win the SB.   

     

      The standard is the standard and accepting that and "not enjoying" the ride are not necessarily the same thing.    Not that this past season was a joy ride for everyone involved with or following the Bills.   I mean ask Ken Dorsey if he'd have liked to have DHop.

    OK course.  We would like to have a pro bowl player at every position. Who wouldn't? 

    CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

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    19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    They hadn't exhausted their ability to create space by any means.   

     

    You have to understand this by now, don't you?   

     

    It's all entertainment to me.   Winning a SB doesn't change my fandom one bit but it's the objective of playing the game so I'd like to see them reach that.

     

    So save your "enjoy the ride" for whoever is riding you. ;)

     

    Speaking of which where is @Sherlock Holmes?  I miss his commentary.

     

    You are so clever.

    CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

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    33 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    Brandon Beane’s idea of assembling a team resulted in Trent Sherfield whiffing on passes in the biggest game of the season which was the last one.

     

    Don’t piss on our heads and tell us it’s raining. The WR room has been atrocious since 2020 and got worse every year.

    Yea.  The Bills have been a train wreck since Beane has arrived.

     

    Get real. 

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    CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

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    9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    Yeah not getting DHop was just idiotic.   Hopkins was extraordinary AGAIN in 2023 despite a totally unstable QB situation.

     

     I like Samuel and the nice thing is that he likely has that 600 yard kinda "floor" but might also have the upside to be a poor man's Diggs replacement in 2025 if they decide to cut bait from Stefon.    It just would have been so much simpler to have a full size outside WR like Hopkins.   I understand there was some risk with Hopkins but his skillset was pretty unique and man..............could that offense have been explosive.

    Did you guys consider that the Bills didn't have the cap space to sign Hopkins at tge time?

     

    It is amazing that some people on this board find something to complain about with every move the Bills make or don't make.

     

    Enjoy the ride.

     

    Beane knows a bit more about assembling a team than most of us.  He has earned our trust.

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