[Again, bills HAVE called up to browns for first overall]

8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Nor do I. I think that if the Browns trade the #1 and Darnold turns out to be great, their fan base would explode to the point that it would cost the owner money.

 

The game has changed yet again (imo). Because of the kneelers, attendance is down and advertisers are pulling out. The CTE thing also places a risk in terms of profits. At some point the owners (and definitely the players) are going to make less. I know..... they are already super rich. I get it but the wealthiest people are often the hungriest for more money. I cannot forsee the Browns owner taking that kind of risk again.

 

Jmo.

 

I'd be shocked if the Browns trade out of #1. They swung and missed on Kizer and will try again this year. 

 

What wouldn't surprise me is the Giants taking Barkley at #2, not saying I expect that to happen, but it wouldn't surprise me. If that happens I could see the Browns trade out of #4.

 

Bills could should be talking with the Browns about either the #1 or #4.

[Mets fans?]

45 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

Just heard the news Wheeler won't be in the starting rotation.  I remember thinking about 5 years ago now he was going to really be promising.  Hope Triple A helps.  

 

Triple A is probably better for him than the bullpen. Someone in the starting rotation is bound to get hurt or not pitch well. If Wheeler gets his act together he'll be next man up. 

[Was breaking the drought worth it?]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

There are all different types of approaches to use as good examples on how teams turned things around. Unfortunately 23 poor souls out of the hundreds of people on this board can’t seem to grasp that concept. 

 

Making the playoffs for the first time in 17 years seems like a reasonable first step towards turning things around to me.

 

The front office has done an excellent job positioning the Bills to grab a QB despite making the playoffs. I'll admit that  I want the splashy trade-up to get the can't miss prospect (as if that exists!), but if that's not available, on to plan B!

[Was breaking the drought worth it?]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Right. Huge roster turnover, cap relief, aquiring plenty of picks to make a move and still get a couple of solid players in the draft, all while still making the playoffs with a first year staff is a “stupid idea”. EXACTLY like the last 20 years. Silly me. 

 

Why havnt I realized the only way to do this is to tank. I think I’m coming around though. 

 

SMH

 

I'm not an advocate of the tank. 

 

Just wondering if there's an NFL franchise that turned around their fortunes by tanking. The Colts and Luck comes to mind, but he hasn't won a thing. 

[Bucky Brooks Scout's Notebook: Stop Overdrafting Quarterbacks!]

38 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Get your QB..........then you can stick to your draft board for the next 15-20 years.

 

Like it or not all other positions are basically disposable.

 

During the drought the Bills drafted plenty of All Pro and Pro Bowl non-QB's in round one and yet they usually had only 4-5 of their first rounders on their roster each year...........which was the average length of time of a first round contract during the drought.

 

When they finally made the playoffs they only had one first rounder on the active roster.    Less of those did not matter.  

 

People who think the Bills should horde draft picks and use them on non-QB's just don't understand the math...........and clearly neither does Bucky Brooks. 

 

 

 

I agree with this, but what if a trade up to Get your QB isn't possible? Take the QB available at 12 (or even trade-up out of desperation) and hope for the best even though you don't believe in him? Take a non-QB  at 12 and then  try to use your draft capital to get the guy you don't believe in before 22?

 

This Jets trade-up is like sand in my gears.

 

Fun times though, looking forward to how it plays out. Trusting the process.

[Which Narratives From The Bills Fanbase Do You NOT Subscribe To?]

49 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

The 2017-2018 Bills "backed into the playoffs" and were lucky to get in. 

Many teams have gotten into the playoffs and even won the Super Bowls thank to fortunate situations.  No one goes back and says "yeah the Patriots won the Super Bowl in 2001 but they were lucky because of the tuck rule."  I could rattle off countless scenarios.  Could have. Should Have. Would Have.  Get over it.  

 

 

You're wrong. I bring this up every chance I get.

[Would you trade Leighton Vander Esch, DJ Moore, Rashaad Penny, and Mason Rudolph for Josh Rosen?]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

Maybe that's what the Falcons should have done in 2008: pass on Matt Ryan, keep Joey Harrington at QB and take the best defensive player available at 3.  If they did that, they'd have multiple Lombardi trophies in Mercedes Benz Stadium <thick sarcasm>

 

The Falcons have yet to win a SB...with or without Ryan. I get that Ryan was a good pick, but your sarcasm misses the mark for me. 

[Bring back Bump 'N Run]

I get the safety issues, but agree with OP's premise. I'm not looking for a shift to make the game defensive-oriented, I love great play on both sides of the ball.  I'm just looking for a better balance.

 

I had to look this up to confirm the details from my cloudy memory, but I remembered watching a ridiculous MNF game between the Packers and Redskins where both teams were scoring at will. Turns out it was a 48-47 Packers win from 1983:

 

https://fs64sports.blogspot.com/2013/10/1983-packers-defeat-redskins-in-48-47.html

 

Fun to watch at first, but then it turned into a joke as the game went on. That game was an aberration back then, nowadays it's not unexpected.

 

A lot of people thought this past Super Bowl was a great game, but with only one punt it was way too offensive oriented for my taste.  

 

 

 

 

[Mets fans?]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

Anyone follow Lenny Dykstra on Facebook?

 

This guy is a hot mess.  No teeth.  Up all hours of the night recording videos of himself rambling.

 

I seriously think he might be homeless.

 

Geez. I don't follow him but it seems like every 5 years or so we get a Dykstra story...usually bad with the occasional he's gotten his act together story.

 

Dykstra epitomized the phrase "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog".  He was a flat-out competitor who got the most out of his talents.   

 

He played with intensity and I assume lives his life with the same (probably misguided) intensity.  Loved him as a Met, sad to hear the latest.

 

P.S. - a random/obscure Dykstra memory. I remember seeing a highlight from spring training camp 1987 where Franklin Stubbs (L.A. Dodgers) was mocking  Dykstra from the 1986 NLCS series walk-off HR, running and jumping with fists in the air . That was one of the first times I realized how much that '86 team was hated. 

 

 

[Mets fans?]

That's great, I've never been to a pre-season game in Florida.

 

 In 1987 I had good seats down by third base for Yankees/Orioles. I yelled something out to Ray Knight about '86 and he game me a thumbs up.

[Mets fans?]

Had a cool Mets moment yesterday. 

 

Sitting near the end of a people-mover in the Minneapolis airport, I look up and do an obvious double-take when I see Dwight Gooden. Somehow he noticed either my double-take or my friends Mets hat. And as I'm poking my friend to look up from his phone Dwight waves over to us and says hi. I give him a 'Whats up Dwight" and he continues on his way. The whole thing lasted about as long as it takes you to walk 60 feet and 6 inches.

[I say we will not draft a QB round 1]

23 minutes ago, T master said:

With the Jets, & Broncos getting their QB's i think one might make it to us at 12 !! But we may not be as apt to spend more draft capital to move up .

 

Seeing as Defense wins championships & that we have 2 first round picks we may go D with the first & get our QB with the second of the first rounders ...

 

I don't believe for a second that the Jets aren't still targetting one of the QB's. Pretty sure McCown and Bridgewater are on one year deals, no?

[I say we will not draft a QB round 1]

 

The assumption is that we can trade further up, but what if we can't and Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen are all gone in the first 10?

 

Consensus seems to be that Rudolph, Jackson and Falk would be a stretch at 12 so I could see a trade down or non-QB pick. But I have a hard time believing that we wouldn't grab one of those guys before the first round is over.

 

I know you're on the Foles band wagon and if we can't trade up further that may end up looking more attractive, but I wouldn't do that at the expense of #12. 

 

 

 

 

[Mets fans?]

I'm watching SNY and they just popped up this quote from Mets pitching coach Dave Eiland:

 

“Don’t let hitters get comfortable. When you’re pitching, you have to be feared. There is one stat I hope we lead the league in, and that’s hit batters."

 

I think Syndegaard will get along very well with his new coach. What's more interesting to me is whether Eiland can turn around a guy like Robles. I thought Robles showed promise when he first came up, had a bit of an edge. Last year it looked like he was throwing BP. 

 

[That’s one way of getting out of paying tolls]

17 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

they still have those in NJ... but they are 1.50 in quarters, so good luck.

 

Might need to mix in a few Susan B. Anthonys.

[That’s one way of getting out of paying tolls]

 

This is somewhat off topic but do you know what I miss?

 

The quarter toll booths where the guy riding shotgun would have to make the hook shot out the passenger window and over the roof.

[Mccown to Jets]

1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said:

Maybe, maybe not. 

 

What other texam is left left right now without a starting QB? The Bills? I can't think of anyone else offhand. 

 

Id imagine he'd probably see his chances at starting for the Jets sometime next season, for the often injured and 39yr old Josh McCown, as pretty good. 

 

If the Jets tell him that they see him as their potential long term starter but want to work him back slowly, he could sign there. It depends on if he sees a better opportunity elsewhere I guess. As of now I don't see too many, but that can change quickly in the NFL.

 

Itll be interesting to see what happens in NY, that's for sure. If they sign Bridgewater, I'm hoping that means they won't go as hard after a QB in the draft. 

 

 

 

All good points. I was going under the assumption that the Jets will still bring in a rookie QB.  I just find it hard to believe that Bowles and Maccagnan are going to hitch their wagon to Bridgewater. They both have to be on short leashes. If they did sign Bridgewater I could see them trade down and go for one of the lesser heralded QBs in the draft.

 

Whatever happens the QB carousel this year has been very interesting. And we still have over a month to go before the dust settles.

 

 

 

 

[Mccown to Jets]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I would think it makes the Jets less appealing to Bridgewater.

[Mccown to Jets]

22 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

thing is,  McCarron is running out of places that need a starting QB.

 

That's what I was thinking. I think he'll jump at any chance if he thinks he'll start the season.

[Moritz Bohringer is available!!!]

7 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Vertraue dem Prozess

 

Bestimmt.

[Joe Webb, name him the starter]

32 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

Just cut to the chase and put Webb on the Wall of Fame.

 

It’s pretty much a lock at this point anyway.

 

Blasphemy. Orton goes up first.

[Does the Fun Begin at Midnight?]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I just remember thinking - Jeff Posey? You have to make a point to strike right at 12:00 on the dot for Jeff Posey?

 

Hah!  I'm an eternal optimist and not dialed into every NFL player so after I got past "who the eff is Jeff Posey", I was thinking it must've been a steal.  

[Does the Fun Begin at Midnight?]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Jeff Posey

 

Strong call. Pretty sure Posey was the guy I had in the back of my mind but couldn't remember.

 

I think the legal tampering period is a farce that the NFL created in attempt to save face over signings at one minute past midnight. I don't think it changed a thing but honestly I could care less either way.

 

[Moving to 23?]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Trade this years picks for even more picks next year.  We could probably end up with 8-10 pick in the first round next year and possibly 2 of them in the top ten!!!

 

Keep it up and after a few years we will own the entire draft. 

[Has there ever been a more fun, anticipated off season?]

12 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I find this stuff fascinating.

 

I am looking everywhere, all the time to see what is going on.

 

What do you think?

 

Couldn't agree more. Coming off the playoff appearance, a ton of draft picks and a lot of QB possibilities in the draft and free agency. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out and I see no reason not to put my faith in McBeane.