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3 hours ago, ddaryl said:
This is true.. but he also came in with lots of question marks about his accuracy just the same. and his 1st 2 years he had less than 100 attempts. His college game plan was divide the field in half.. SO EJ's ability to progress through full reads was a huge unknown since he was never required to do it
You will find a good amount of 60 + % career college passers not make it in the NFL. You will be EXTREMELY HARD PRESSED to find any college QB whom had a sub 60% completion pct... do much of anything at the pro level...
As it stands right now I think Allen's pro career will be similar to Manuels.
maybe Allen breaks the trend but if your a gambling man the odds are greatly stacked against this
BUT this part of the quote below is exactly what they used to sell EJ
What I am going to say with these stats is that Allen is a little inaccurate. His inaccuracy is a result of inconsistent mechanics. However, he is also one of the least developed big time QB prospects we have seen. He is not a kid that has been working on his mechanics since middle school and just can’t get it. He is a kid who grew up on a farm, and played baseball when football was over. Once he gets real coaching around how to be a QB, he will become more consistent and will become more accurate. The question becomes do we fans have the stomach to wait for him, and most fans don’t and I don’t blame them. I still think he can have some success playing the way he does while learning how to be a better QB.
Like all draft prospects, we will see!
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3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
The most polarizing QB prospect in this class, Josh Allen, has coaches and scouts alike drooling over what they can mold this kid into.
OVERVIEW
The 6'5 230 pound JR looks the part. Josh Allen is an impressive athlete for a bigger guy. He shakes off defensive lineman with ease as he scrambles around to make a play. He has a quick release and arm strength more closely linked to a howitzer than a human.
While his physical attributes are off the charts he certainly has a long way to go to becoming a refined passer. Touch, is not really is Josh's vocabulary yet. At short ranges he consistently throws uncatchable balls due to lack of touch and improper mechanics
but he makes up for some of his short area shortcomings with an impressive deep ball and the ability to throw a WR open
At times he displays too much faith in his arm which leads to poor decisions. He believes he can fit balls into windows that aren't there
which leads to his never say die attitude. He never gives up on a play whether it is with his arm or legs which leads to big plays and some negative ones as well.
Josh Allen is big, strong, young and shows plenty of promise. His arm strength is top notch and he routinely makes throws few others can. But he is still a raw QB who must work on the nuances of the QB position. If Josh can work out some issues in his mechanics and improve his ability to read the field the sky is the limit
STRENGTHS
- High end arm strength
- Very good deep ball
-Good accuracy on mid level throws
-Great size
-Very good athlete
-throws on run well
-has worked under center
-good at extending plays
-makes bigtime throws
-plays with heart
NEGATIVES
- Not a nuanced passer
- lacks touch on short throws
- needs work on footwork
- misses routine throws
-sees windows that aren't there
-throws up too many 50/50 balls
-aggressiveness is a double edged sword
- can improve vision when reading the field
Bottom Line
All in all josh Allen is a highly thought of prospect who will go off the board probably in the early part of the first round. His size, Athleticism and raw arm talent is enough to make plenty of GMs drool over and he's the perfect prospect to mold behind an established vet
I am a huge Josh Allen fan. I think your assessment is fair and do want to say some of my thoughts.
I bolded one of your positives because this is the biggest thing I learned about Allen from 2016 to 2017. In 2016 he was a first year starter and the lights of being a public figure and leader may have been a little bright for him. This year, he was the heart and competitive fire of that Wyoming team. With him injured Wyo lost to San Jose St - maybe the worst D1 program in the country this year - for heavens sake! What I saw this year from Allen was a competitiveness in the mold of Phillip Rivers. I knew from 2016 his physical abilities, in 2017 you got to see his heart.
To get to some of his negatives. He is not a nuanced passer. He never attended big time QB camps bc he was a country boy playing multiple sports. He has basically risen to his stature based on his immense talent without much molding. Even at Wyoming, Bohl is a defensive coach not meant to develop great QBs. If you can get a good QB coach with Allen, even one of those gurus like Big Ben went to, I think he would develop fast.
Do i think Allen will ever become a franchise QB? I think the odds are stacked against him BUT they are stacked against ever QB coming out of college.
In the end, Allen’s god given abilities is going to give him an edge in the NFL. He can hit throws and windows no one else can. That will give him a chance because it’ll let him get away with more things until he gets better used to the game. He will be perfect in a cold weather, open stadium team that lets him air it out a lot, not bubble screens.
I think Denver is going to draft him and that’ll be a great spot for him. Pittsburgh would also be great. As would Buffalo. I’m really rooting for the kid and will be ecstatic if he is a Bill. IMO, he is just shy of what Big Ben was coming out but with a more fiery attitude.
1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:Yes. It takes a while to do so I can only do about 5-8 guys a year depending on the crop
Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, and Jackson are all locks
I will also do Mason Rudolph and maybe 1-2 other guys
I’d suggest Mike White from WKU.
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I hate that people think Mason Rudolph is going to go higher than he will.
I think he winds up in the late second. And for where he is as a QB, that is already on the high end.
Not a bad QB, but just as much as a project with his mechanics as Josh Allen is but without the same upside.
14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:I really do want to like him, but I just don't see it. As kdiggz said above he really reminds of Bryce Petty, though Petty has a better arm and is a better athlete. He's big, but everything else seems so blah.
Most of the issues the boom or busts guys like Allen and Jackson have, Rudolph also has. Shoddy footwork, accuracy etc etc etc. But he has those same flaws without the upside or the huge arm or athleticism. Like I said I really do want to like him so hopefully he changes my mind over the next few months and I come around. To me he just isn't a franchise QB and his potential isn't much higher than Nathan Peterman's.
Dang shoulda read your post first, took the words right out of my mouth
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I think 2011 was the record for declared underclassmen but this year is getting close. Good year to have a lot of early picks.
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4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Good decision.
Yes! Go get ‘em Josh.
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7 hours ago, the skycap said:
I just put this on the Do you take Lamar Jackson post
You are a gentleman and a scholar
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Oh god, Alex Smith is gonna be our starter next year. And we are gonna give up draft picks to make it happen
(that’s what Riddick is suggesting will happen, those who didn’t watch the vid).
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Not surprising with Kamara, Hunt, Fournette all being stat monsters.
Tre should get a nod for DROY.
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I thank Tyrod like I thank any player that suits up for the Bills and for the NFL. They put their bodies on the line every weekend for our entertainment, even if the compensation is good.
Tyrod especially always handled himself well during three years of turnover. I thank him for that. And I thank him for being the QB of the team that ended the drought, even if we backed into it. Wish him well, he has some good tools and maybe he isn’t done growing but the rest of his career will be elsewhere. And that’ll be the best thing for both Tyrod and the Bills.
34 minutes ago, Bangarang said:The Vikings did 2 years ago.
With our future QB Teddy Bridgewater!
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Most of them are welcome back on small contracts...
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2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:
I disagree. This team can win now. Groom a young guy and win with a solid QB like Smith.
This team was outscored by 57 points during the season. Our OLine is going to be a year older, our WRs are Kelvin Benjamin and then not much, our DLine was not good against the run statistically and couldn’t generate much pressure. Our LB group was a hodgepodge of players that will mostly be FAs.
Our TEs and secondary were pretty good.
Im so grateful we made the playoffs and want to go further next year. But looking at our team, we need a lot more talent overall - not just a slight upgrade at QB - if we are going to take that next step. Get a rookie QB on a cheap contract in the 1st and then use the extra cap space and draft picks to upgrade talent everywhere.
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4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:
No. Don't ruin a newly drafted QB by throwing him to the wolves. Draft QB, grab Alex Smith for a bridge. Smith would do well in this scheme.
Romo is rapidly becoming my favorite announcer. He really makes it interesting and immediately sees where the ball should go.
Good QBs don’t get ruined by playing too early imo. Rather put a great team around a rookie starter than go into the season with an average team led by Alex Smith.
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Um he can’t play because he has a noodle arm...
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Let’s not waste 18 million on a scrub QB. Ours nor Minnesota’s. Draft one in the first to be our starter and use the 18 million along with the rest of our cap space on some young FAs for the defense and OLine.
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We are probably going to be drafting our QB of the future this April. Now is the time to make the change and get a real OC in here. Once you draft a QB, it’s hell to make them switch offenses year to year. Cut Dennison loose.
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When Bortles killed us with a scramble before the half, we should have planned to spy him the rest of the way. Make the adjustment at halftime. Once he started gaining yards running, he got his confidence and their offense became somewhat effective.
Spy him or figure out how to stop him from running and this is a different game. Bortles would have had to throw more and that probably would mean a turnover. Do that and run from the one yard line and we probably are on our way to New England. So frustrating. Especially since Bortles did the same thing to us last year.
Happy about our season but man I think we were some better coaching away from winning that game.
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Just now, Wayne Cubed said:
It’s all over Twitter. Lot X had estimates of 20k Bills fans. The videos are crazy.
Post a couple vids for us not on Twitter, plz
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we gotta draft a QB in the first: Allen, Jackson, Mayfield. I don’t think there will be a draft flush with this much talent for awhile and so this is a great year to get a talent that would normally go earlier in other drafts late in the first.
After that I want 3 DT, DaRon Payne with our second first and Justin Jones and BJ Hill in rounds 3 and 4.
Then, I really want Isaiah Wynn in the second to push Vlad to the bench. And Brian O’Neil OT from Pitt to start grooming to play across from Dawkins if we happen to move on from Glenn.
I’d also like Jake Cichy and Josey Jewel later in the draft to add to our LBs.
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8 hours ago, Acantha said:
Apparently Allen is going. Possibly a dangerous move by him. Is big saving Grace is the lack of talent around him at Wyoming. If he has a bad game with better WRs it nay dim his attraction. Good to be confident in himself though!
Allen is a good player, he will do well at the senior bowl. I hope he goes. Even if he lays an egg, I doubt it drops him out of the first but if he has a week like Phil Rivers did all those years ago, you could see him start solidifying himself as a top 5 pick.
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I’ll just leave this here for everyone:
one thing about Jackson, he is so much faster at everything he does than everyone else. Defenders start collapsing the pocket on him and he takes a few steps and is out of reach. When he gets to the NFL game, it won’t be athletically too fast for him. He may need to learn to process info faster, but what kid doesn’t need work on that coming out of college.
2018 is shaping up to be an excellent class and I’d be excited if we get any of the top 5 QBs in RD 1.
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14 minutes ago, /dev/null said:
Browns: Darnold
Giants: Rosen (should send Darnold a fruit basket thanking him for not having to be being drafted by Cleveland)
Colts: Barkley
#4 is where the trades start happening
I could see a team jumping ahead of the Broncos at either the Colts or 2nd Browns pick to get Allen or Mayfield before Elway does.
im not sure how the new Colts GM will draft but I assume he would trade down if someone was willing.
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Congrats, Cleveland. Darnold is the real deal.
Now hopefully Allen or Mayfield are left for us when we pick.
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9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
Definitely drops- and not unjustified. But how far? I normally feel like I have a decent grasp on how various issues effect draft stock but this ones a unique situation for sure
Coming out of Iowa, Adrian Clayborn fell down to the bottom of the first round because he was born with a short arm which made teams concerned he could only rush from one side of the line. He certainly never became a star. And JPP blew off some of his fingers too but has been about the same productivity.
Griffin has a far bigger handicap - and isn’t a Dlineman, I’d expect him to be no better than a 6th rounder due to it but probably an UDFA who will need to prove it doesn’t stop him in practice and preseason. Root for the kid, but def understand teams sliding him down their boards.
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He will drop because of it, unfortunately. It really hasn’t stoppes him yet tho. Personally, hope he goes to Seattle to be with his bro since they are so close. But would def be a big fan if he was a Bill.
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Mason Rudolph as our first pick would be so disappointing...