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3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
This is good to hear. As much as we like to take sides on which QB will be good or not, it’s preferable that as many can succeed as possible.
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I’d take either at 12, but only if it costs us a 2nd or less to move up. Neither are sure fire but both have great upside.
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4 hours ago, CritMark said:
OK, I can sign off on a pocket passer that can throw on the run. No he is not the athlete Wilson is.
As for Manziel, I don't see the comparison at all. Manzeil would run at the first sign of trouble. A lot of his completions were to throw the ball up for grabs and let Evans win the battle. Mayfield wants to throw the ball and puts it where the receivers can rack up YAC. Two totally different animals.
Baker isn’t really a pocket passer right now. He makes some plays from the pocket. He is short tho and drifts out of the pocket a lot so he can see downfield.
He is a much more nuanced passer than Manziel was and processes info well. But he is going to have to learn to be like Brees in finding his lanes while staying in the pocket a lot more. Took Brees a couple of years and it will probably take Mayfield some time too but if he figures it out he will be dynamite.
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1 hour ago, Woodman19 said:
Tebow oozed leadership but it didn't help him throw better.
Didn’t say it did, did I?
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4 minutes ago, VirginiaMike said:
I think teams get enamored with a QBs physical skills (arm & legs) and forget to look at the harder to measure skills such and leadership. Josh Allen did not lead his team to anything.
Leadership is one of the things I like about Baker Mayfield - it looked like he always believed he could lead his team to success and instilled that in his team.
Leadership is one thing I don’t think you can knock him on. He was a leader on his team this year and the team immediately fell apart the few games he was injured. Despite his injury, he came back and played in his bowl game.
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1 hour ago, Billsfansinceday1 said:
It sounds like he is really struggling with his accuracy at the Senior Bowl. I really don't want to bring in a long term project with our 1st round pick. 3rd round...absolutely.
He was up and down at the beginning like most QBs, but reports are he is getting better each practice.
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43 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
Its not relegated to his stats. Watch the game film of him against Nebraska last year. One of the more epic meltdowns Ive watched. Point here is because he is big and has a cannon experts will watch that same tape and tell you "he did some good things considering the talent around him" they are dying for him to be good.
I agree with the arm talent but if I am drafting a guy who cant contribute even when forced into action I wouldnt touch him until the 4th round.
That’s fine if it’s more about the film for you. He does have a lot of ugly tape. I just wanted to mythbust some of the reasons you gave before.
As far as the Nebraska game goes, it was his first ever road start in college. I don’t hold that against him as much, that’s a game a lot of QBs struggle in. I’d say his worst game was the Oregon game this year.
And I agree it would ultimately be better if he went later. Unfortunately, you have to take the raw tools into consideration bc they are a factor. But yes, some team will draft him very early almost entirely based on his physical gifts.
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22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
Disgaree. Brady had two ok seasons at Michigan. Had he been a three or four year starter he may have been drafted higher.
Josh Allen is a three year starter who aside from being big and likeable checks no other boxes. He doesnt win games, he doesnt throw for many yards, gives the ball away like its going out of business and is sub 60% completion percentage.
It is hubris that makes teams like him. Its the same thing that got the Jets Christian Hackenberg.
Allen started for 2 years at Wyoming, unless your counting his year at JUCO.
He also has led the Cowboys to the winningest two years since 98 and 99.
He threw for more yards than Carson Wentz did over the same amount of time while operating in the same offense.
He improved his interception percentage greatly from sophomore to junior years.
He is sub 60% for his career.
You may eventually be vindicated if his pro career flops but their are a lot of reasons to like Allen as a prospect.
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32 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
Guys with major accuracy issues like his literally never succeed in the NFL.
I watched the Senior Bowl all afternoon and this guy literally has some of the worst accuracy I've ever seen. He just sprays the ball all over the place chucking it as hard as he can.
Look up his history. He is maybe the least developed major QB prospect of the modern era. He didn’t attend QB camps all his life, just really started focusing on football. That is why I think he can improve with some good coaching because a lot of the accuracy issues comes from his feet.
In HS, he went to a small school and played multiple sports all year. Spent one year at Junior College and then transferred to Wyoming and spent a couple years under Coach Bohl. Bohl is not a good QB developer, Carson Wentz still has issues with his footwork this year. Again, I agree with you that some team is probably going to ruin him but I don’t think his accuracy is incurable if he finds the right environment.
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11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
Baker Mayfield is much better than Josh Allen and it's not even close.
Josh Allen should not be drafted before the fourth round. The talk of him going top 10 is pure lunacy.
I don't care how far he can throw the ball. I don't care how fast he is. I don't care how much velocity he can get throwing on the run.
The guy has zero accuracy. He regularly misses routine throws. He is going to get NFL receivers killed going over the middle.
Stay far, far away from this guy. Accuracy doesn't improve significantly once you get to the NFL, and this guy has some of the worst accuracy I've ever seen.
I’m an Allen apologist because I think he has some amazing abilities and I think he is a great kid that has a lot of ability to improve - even in the accuracy department. But you are right, he shouldn’t be drafted early based on the QB he is right now. Unfortunately, he is going to be drafted early based on the QB he could be. And if he goes to a really bad team, it could end really bad for him.
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5 hours ago, wppete said:
He’s exactly Tyrod Tylors size.
TT is actually a little taller.
7 hours ago, NewEraBills said:Mayock loves this kid cause he has a big time mean streak. Last guy he praised like that was Brandon Albert who turned into a pretty good pro. Maybe a good RT option on day 2.
3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:I don’t want to spend any more high picks on WR, but Washington is going to be a stud in the NFL.
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1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Good thing he didn’t get a haircut!
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1 hour ago, wppete said:
G Will Hernadez, UTEP. Looked good out there . Maybe with a fifth round pick. Huge guy and very aggressive. Mike Mayock compared him to Incognito.
He won’t get out of day 2, could be a good pick there though
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3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
He's definitely that type of player. Electrifying
but a poor mans vick. Like you said, Vick was built, Lamar is skinnier
i also think vick playing under center gave him a big advantage adjusting to the NFL
But Lamar is extremely physically talented
Vick was ahead of his time. He wasn’t meant for taking snaps under center. I’d say that Lamar is actually further ahead right now for being a pro prospect because the transition to the pros for a QB of his skill set is easier now that these college concepts are being used.
Aditionally, I think you are getting a much more mature and harder working player (Vick himself would probably admit that). I could see similar early success for Lamar based on these factors, but definitely a downgrade in talent...although still amazing.
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Between those two, Mayfield.
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8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Wow. The Broncos are lucky they got that much access to both top prospects. However, I have the utmost confidence that John Elway has no idea what he is doing when it comes to drafting QBs.
I can’t wait to see how both compete against each other tho.
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Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:
Would have been great to see him play down in Mobile.
I’m not a big fan of Rudolph as our franchise QB pick, but everything I hear about the kid as a person is glowing. If we could get him later on in the draft I’d be cool with it.
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13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
That’s too bad. Was looking forward to him potentially battling it out with Mayfield and Allen to be one of the starters.
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Mayfield is not my favorite prospect. I don’t care about his “character” which I think is overblown (seriously, who cares). I think his size is going to be a major factor he is going to need to overcome in the NFL. It won’t be like it was in college where a lot of shorter QBs are able to find passing lanes in wide open offenses and the windows he is pushing the ball into are much wider. He is not the athlete Russell Wilson is. His best physical comparison may be Drew Brees, who I think was also a better athlete. And it took Brees several years in the pros before he really became a good QB.
I get why a lot of people on this board have him as their 1st, 2nd or 3rd best QB. He has a great story, and put up great stats each year at Oklahoma. But I think you also have to look at the reality - you are drafting a player who will likely be the shortest and least athletic player on the field at all times. It’s a gamble that I don’t think you win often.
However, I would gladly draft him at our first round pick hoping that he can defy the odds. His arm strength is quite good, his release is nice, he can read the field very well and knows when and how to push a throw. His stats were the way they were this year because he would pass up on the easy, open throws and make the harder (though still usually relatively open) downfield throws with accuracy. Mentally, he is a great QB (I always love when a QB can play great at two different schools like Russel Wilson did, because it shows they can grasp offenses quickly and adapt well to different cultures). And at 21, you draft Mayfield on the upside that he will learn to overcome his physical limitations and thrive within NFL offenses. If he does - and he has overcome a lot before - you have a franchise QB. Because his arm is that good and his mind that good.
Right now tho, I see a guy that even in college needed to move away from his pocket to find space so he could see the field better. He uses his slipperiness to get away from defenders that I’m not sure he will be able to get away from when they all have NFL speed. And so, I have him lower on my QB want list than many others here at TBD. But if the Bills draft him, I’ll think we have a chance at a franchise QB. Because all he needs to overcome is his height. And he has overcome a lot before
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4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
That is amazing, that is the most ever underclassmen in a draft.
What a a great year to have a bunch of picks!
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Chase Litton from Marshall just declared. 6’6’’ and a strong arm. Would really like to draft a QB in the first and get him later on to develop like the skins did with RG3 and Cousins...just with hopefully more success for our 1st rounder.
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Hated the pick when we took him. Hated the pick more when we found out his shoulder was a bum.
They can probably find find a cheaper, edge setting DE with a low draft pick (which is all we can expect back) so I get the move. Such a shame that our recent history is littered with wasted draft capital.
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11 hours ago, JohnC said:
This is the draft year in which there are maybe four high end qb prospects. Each of them have different appealing attributes. What this franchise can't do is take the mentality of falling into the trap of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. If option A or B isn't there then go after C. I don't think that Rosen or Darnold will be attainable. At this point I'm getting intrigued with Mayfield. I see him as a good fit for Buffalo. I also see him as a player who will be ready to get early playing time.
That is one of the awesome things about this draft. You have 5 great QB prospects coming out and each is very distinct in their positives and weaknesses. We don’t get our pick of the litter, but we will have the chance to get one and build off of what they do excellently. Very excited for this draft.
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16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Hmmm?
Good, let better prospects fall down to us!
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QB Film Room: Baker Mayfield
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I agree he is not a nuanced pocket passer. But he is a nuanced passer when he is allowed to move away from his pocket. He makes very good decisions and throws when he is allowed to play the way he is comfortable.
and good to hear we are in agreement that he will need to learn to play different in the pros because it’s only going to get harder to see passing lanes when the game gets faster. And the odds are stacked against him with Brees being his only predecessor that has found success. I think Brees was the better athlete coming out of college too so Mayfield is really going to be reality checked at the NFL level with the talent he will be competi against. It’s going to be interesting, and I’m rooting for him like I am all QBs in this class.