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On 2/19/2023 at 11:38 AM, pennstate10 said:
Which of Penn States 2023 draft entrants are a fit for the Bills?
Here is my non-expert view as someone who has followed these guys through their college careers.
PSU has 8th most players currently in NFL, per SpoTrac. The top 10 are all the usual suspects, except somehow Iowa slips in at 9.
There are currently two starters on Bills from PSU, both solid if unspectacular contributors. Ryan Bates and Daquan Jones.
PSU has had high profile players overdrafted (Maybin) and underdrafted (A. Robinson, C. Godwin) in the past few years.
PSU players going to the combine are listed below:
Round 1--Joey Porter Jr, CB. One of the top 3 CB in the draft. Will likely be gone before Bills draft, and not a need for Bills. Pass.
Round 2-3--Jayir "Tig" Brown, Safety. Top 5 safety. Strong tackler, good ball skills, not an elite coverage guy. I think would be a good fit for Bills.
Round 3-4 -- Parker Washington, WR. Slot receiver I've seen mocked as high as 1st round. I dont think he's a first round talent. Best comp is Julian Edelman, but PW isnt as quick as Edelman. Pass
Round 3-5 --PJ Mustipher, DT. Was considered a 1-2 round pick in 2021 before ACL. Not as dominant this past year. Could be a "steal" for a team willing to take a chance, but 1T DT not really a need for Bills.
Round 4-6 -- Juice Scruggs, C/G. Had a nasty auto accident that delayed his career for over a year. Seems healed from that , started at G in 2021 and C in 2022. Clearly a need for Bills and definitely worth a Day 3 pick.
Round 5-7 -- Brenton Strange, TE. Good blocker dependable hands. Not a need for Bills . Pass
Round 6+ -- Michell Tinsley, WR. Good college WR, dependable hands, but not elite speed or separation. Pass
I think Tinsley is a bit underrated. Built a lot like Skyy Moore or a Brandon Aiyuk (long arms and big hands for his size). Especially if you go back to his WKU games with Zappe, he plays much bigger than he is when things are contested and I think is fast enough to be a solid WR in the NFL. At one point at WKU he got a step on 4.2 40 Tariq Woolen and kept that step over like 30-40 yards to the end zone. Def someone I would target as a Bills fan in the later rounds -
For me it means Beane should either trade picks away for proven veterans like the Rams did (or like he did with Diggs) or trade back and acquire more draft picks to take more swings on hitting on a difference maker and because our team is getting very expensive now and we need a lot of cheap labor
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5 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:
How we going to fit his 23 million cap hit?
There is a good podcast where they touch on it a bit. It would be $14 million cap hit if traded -
8 minutes ago, Roundybout said:
Do we want to trust another Eastern Carolina guy after Zay?
Zay is actually turning into a decent receiver go figure-
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I think Addison, Flowers and Quentin Johnson will be gone. Boutte had a rough year this year but that may be because of his injury.
He is no choir boy but I think CJ Johnson out of ECU (6’1’’ 225 pound man) is a better player than Treylon Burks was last year. Burks went round one, Johnson right now is barely talked about. Get OL early and then draft a bunch of receivers in the middle and late rounds with the ability to play outside and let them earn a spot imo.
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No amount of rings will make him not sound like a frog or walk like a duck, just like how Brady still pees sitting down with 7.
On a serious note, the Chiefs were one of the least talented teams in the AFC playoffs this year. Coaching, injury luck and not beating themselves led to a ring. Not overwhelming talent. Very Patriots like, game of attrition many years.
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oh god they just compared Mahomes ankle to Jordan’s flu game and Schillings bloody sock
Bro knew exactly what he was doing acting like he was dying when his ankle got touched. Lose and that’s the excuse, win and fools will act like they are now
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AJ Brown is such a monster, look at all that time Hurts has on every dropback, all day
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I really don’t think this makes a big difference lol
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Doesn’t make sense for Tremaine to have waited to sign a contract and risk injury.
If he resigns it is what it is. Would prefer to put all the resources to the offense. Tremaine has played well just not elite, still only 24 tho it feels like he has been a Bill forever
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4 hours ago, gjv said:
From afar it appeared, the Bills team that played after Hamlin's on-field cardiac arrest was not the same team that played before that awful event. I base my opinion on how poorly the Post Hamlin event Bills played against a depleted New England team and a Dolphins team led by their third-string QB. Not to mention being embarrassed at home by a solid Cincinnati team. I believe, from watching player interviews, especially Tre Whites, many players internalized the horrific event and perhaps lost their focus. That all being said, I might divide my player and coaching analysis, pre/post Hamlin event.
Yea I’m a die hard Bills fan, I check this board multiple times a day and I felt drained by the end of the season and conflicted about football fandom in general after Hamlin.I can only imagine how the actual players must have felt.
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McDermott and Frazier are too scared of letting up the big play. It was painfully obvious in their two playoffs against KC and last week against the Bengals.
We have Josh freaking Allen so it is ok to be more aggressive because we usually can score with the best of them. Get Josh an OLine and reduce the cushion and hold on routes more in the playoffs.
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9 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said:
It doesn't diss Allen, but Beane looks bad.
Id recommend quoting some of the bigger points you are looking to discuss.From reading through things, this year was certainly a year where cheaper QBs had a lot of success. BUT Burrow and Hurts are due more massive paydays probably this offseason, Mahomes is still cruising, and if you look at the past several years highly paid QBs have done well.
For the Bills, Josh’s contract will make constructing a team around him tough for a few years but then his contract will fall below Burrow, Hurts, Lamar, etc and will be a relative bargain again.
If you mean Beane’s quotes about the Bengals roster, I do think he was getting a little defensive and probably should have deflected. But I don’t think it is terribly incriminating, it is pretty on the nose as to why they have so much talent on their roster just probably could have been said a little better.
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Good team, lucky to be in NFC team
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The NFC is terrible, like the top 5 QBs are all on the AFC side so all Jalen Hurts has to do is beat Danny Dimes and one handed Brock Purdy to make the SB.
They did the same thing in 2017 beating Matt Ryan and our very own Case Keemun to make the SB. They have had great luck recently.
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Honestly, no. In some world there is probably a scenario where Spencer eventually becomes a solid stater for some team.
However, he was too big of a liability this year. After the whooping our line took all year, I think a tackle in the first round or ponying up for a proven good starter is likely. That will push Brown to swing tackle where he will play out the next two years and probably move on. Hope the best for him but too important of a position to play around.
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The reason is because McDermott is very close to Baylor HC and Bernard was a very good teammate with some talent.
Not a good pick imo as you can see from my post history but McDermott takes his connections’ recommendations very seriously. For example, Baylors HC Aranda was the LSU DC when we drafted Tre.
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Not sure Aaron is going to want to further mimic Favres career by being traded to the Jets. Though from a roster standpoint there isn’t a ton better options
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13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:
No way, Thornton wasn’t making the kind of plays Hyatt was against top CBs S in the nation. This guy eats cushions like nobody’s business. Watch this and tell me he is limited. He does exactly what we need. Outside receiver that reliably gets open against top tier talent.
Yea I just don’t see it. Most of his plays he is getting a free release and then outrunning people. You need more to be a big time receiver in the NFL, like Metcalf is someone you mentioned who is mostly slants and 9s but he is physical enough to punish players that get hands on him trying to disrupt his route. Maybe Hyatt can develop into it but it’s mostly projection at this point.
I still think there can be a valuable role for him in an offense but I don’t see a lot that projects to superstar.
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9 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:
I don’t think Hyatt will be there in the 2nd round. He is nearly as fast as John Brown low 4.3s but a better WR than Brown was coming out of college. And Brown was drafted quite high. I would not be surprised to see Hyatt go in the 25-32 range. He’s the best deep threat WR in the draft this year IMO which is what this team needs. We need a good WR that can take the top off and free up Diggs.
WR were pushed up the board a ton last year so he may go rd1. I think that would be a mistake for the Bills. He reminds me of Tyquan Thornton last year who got reached on by the Pats in the beginning of the second round. Lots of speed, limited route tree. -
32 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:
I think I’d rather have Rashee Rice anyways if we do go with possession WR type.
Honestly, last year was the year to draft a WR in the first round. Addison I think has the most potential to develop into a big time player from the potential round 1 guys not named Johnston but he still needs to get thicker and work on his drops more. If only we had drafted Pickens or Watson. Dontayvion Wicks UVA has some good abilities if we went someone later round to run clear outs and develop for a few years. Shakir I think will be a good slot guy for us starting next year so don’t think we will go for a slot type.
This is probably the year to add an OT in the first. Steen from Bama, Johnson from OSU, and Duncan from Maryland would all be nice additions at that point. Hyatt would be a nice addition in rd2 for WR.
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36 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:
Seeming how this is our biggest needs, give me your list of prospects you would like the Bills to draft. Here are some of my picks that I like.
Jordan Addison 6’ 0” 174lbs 4.51
Zay Flowers 6’ 2” 201lbs 4.37
Jalin Hyatt 6’ 0” 185lbs 4.31
Rashee Rice 6’ 2” 203lbs 4.36
Nathaniel Dell 5’ 10” 165lbs 4.43
My 3 personal favorites are Flowers, Hyatt and Rice. I hope we can double dip at WR this year. A lot of speed is available and Dell is the greatest separator I’ve seen in years, but sadly I don’t know how his size will hold up.
Steve Avila 6’ 4” 330lbs
Andrew Vorhees 6’ 6” 325lbs
Atonio Mafi 6’ 4” 339lbs
I went with day 2-3 IOL because I would like to see us go back to back WR/WR seeming how the draft is very top heavy for wideouts this year.
If we came out of the draft with Flowers, Hyatt, Avila, and Vorhees I would be very very happy.
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Yes, if I remember right I started on that board in 06 and was on regularly until it shut down. Once I realized it was gone and not just something wrong with my computer I found here and am so thankful for TBD.
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KC plays our receivers the exact same way the past two years. They can’t call all of them, and in many cases in the playoffs the refs let things play out more. That’s why we have struggled against not great secondaries the last three years.
It was clear in the regular season game the Bengals wanted to punk us as they played to and through the whistle until the cancellation. They thought they could out tough guy us. We should have been ready for the physicality this week. We will see if we make the adjustment next year…
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Bills Are On The Clock at 27 (Calling all draft connoisseurs, provocateurs, saboteurs)
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It’s time to move Spencer Brown to be out backup swing tackle. Bring in a real OT Darnell Wright from Tennessee who is going to be an amazing RT for someone. Also would be very happy with Addison if he drops that far but doubt it