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    2023 NFL Combine Results and News

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    1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

    I totally agree. He helps with the protection issue and adds another weapon in the passing game. I think TE is a very real possibility at 27. Beane talked at length about TE in his pressers and said he wants playmakers and that doesn’t necessarily mean WR. 


    You don’t draft a blocking TE at 27. Or even day 2. In fact stay away from TE in round 1 all together. When was the last first round TE that was really good for the team that drafted him?….Heath Miller?

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    2023 NFL Combine Results and News

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    15 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

    After this combine I’m more interested in the Tight Ends than the Wide Receivers, TE class is loaded. 


    Michael Mayer plays like a stud but is slower and stubbier (31 and 5/8 arms, 9 and 1/2 inch hands) than the Bills seem to like. He is probably a first round pick in this draft which historically are not good investments for the drafting team.

     

    Disappointed that Dalton Kincaid has a “tiny” fracture in his back that kept him out. He is likely going to fall behind some of these others where he was probably the TE2 before.

     

    Musgrave looked great and very explosive but never really produced in college and had a season ending injury this year. He may be the first TE drafted but definitely a risk.

     

    Zach Kuntz looked phenomenal. Enormous, athletic, good receiver. He had a great year of production in 2021 but is another player who had a season ending injury this year. He may be a second round pick now and is someone to consider at that point.

     

    Tucker Kraft is another good talent coming off an injury riddled season. Dude is built thick and is awesome after the catch and was used effectively on sweeps. The testing showed someone more explosive than fast which is probably right. I think he would be an awesome compliment to Knox probably in the third round.

     

    Darnell Washington is an enormous human. Intimidating. Pretty agile for his size but not explosive and isn’t gonna give a ton of playmaking. But heck of a blocker and will catch what comes to him. I’m not sure where he will go but it is probably going to be too soon imo.


    Sam LaPorta is another TE I think the Bills will target in Rd3. Was pretty effective at operating out wide which you won’t see a ton out of this class. Good after the catch too. May have more in the tank too as Iowas offense was terrible this year. 


    To your point this is a great TE class from a talent perspective. Injuries are the main concern. I think Musgrave in the second or Laporta, Kuntz or Kraft in the third would be amazing for the Bills. Especially LaPorta!

     

    Mayer, Kincaid or even Washington would be good additions if you can get them at the right draft capital too. 

    2 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

    Yes. He was a 3rd rnd pick. If Addison was being looked at as a 3rd, I could see it and maybe taking that risk. But as a 1st? No thanks. Doesn't have a single elite trait/measurement,  21 drops on 186 catchable targets? Would we accept an 8.85%+ drop rate from a 1st rnd pick? We can barley handle that form a 4th and 5th rnd pick.


    Yea I don’t mind the speed because he has shown he can get open. But his small arms and hands attached to that drop rate have me off of him for the Bills now. 

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    2023 NFL Combine Results and News

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    8 minutes ago, balln said:

    damn addison ran a 4.55!?

     

    passsssss

    WR value may not be there folks. TE value better


    Addison would still be ok and a fine late first rounder, he isn’t slow on tape and is a good route runner already

     

    2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

     

    Zay Flowers is Tyreek Hill Lite...


    I can’t compare anyone to Tyreek but he is explosive. He had a 25 yard play in all but one of his games this season. Jayden Reed is another smaller WR who would be excellent here (and he played well in snow games and returns punts so Beane should like that).

    TE? Darnell Washington

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    26 minutes ago, billvernsays said:

    Based on Beane’s PC yesterday I’m thinking we may be considering the TE from Georgia, Darnell Washington.


    He was saying to get playmakers and match up guys in the 1st round that make defenses second guess their personal.
     

    Darnell Would do this for us and he’s a blocking stud in both the run game and passing game. 
     

    I bring it up because I haven’t seen him projected to us at all and he may be someone we haven’t discussed much and overlooked but after thinking about it I think he would look great in our offense allowing Knox to be more of a receiving TE and steam stretcher like Ertz was in his prime. 


    Washington nah, but I think you are right that Beane is hinting towards a TE early in the draft. 

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    Strong vs. Weak Positional Groups - Draft

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    32 minutes ago, Yantha said:

    Hi All,

     

    I hesitate to start another thread (I've started a few in recent days), but I'm putting the question out to the fellow draft geeks.  While I've been looking at the draft class, a few things have been standing out that makes me rethink the approach to the FREE AGENCY and draft.

    1.  Runningback is a pretty strong group in my opinion, with quality backs projected to be available fairly deep, even through round 6 or so.  I think Singletary has to WALK, let Cook get a kick at the can, with Hines and a mid round draft pick nipping at their heels.

    2.  WR seems pretty good through round 3.  I agree with Beane that we can trust Davis to rebound, and I REALLY like Shakir.  I'd add an AFFORDABLE free agent to the mix, and see if there is a quality WR somewhere in the draft.

    3.  This draft is very strong with Safeties.   Poyer really wants out from what it seems...  so Safety is a must draft EARLY or nab a quality replacement in the FA.

    4.  Linebacker looks pretty strong as well, through rounds 3-4, so Tremaine could be replaced via the draft.

    5.  Backup QB:  I like a few options as deep as round 6.

    6.  Pass Rush:  LOTS of great options in this draft, very deep.

    7.  DT:  Not a huge need for the team, but some late round talent available.

     

    Which brings me to the main point.  I like quite a few OTs, OGs, and OCs (BUT NOT VERY MANY, deeper in the draft!!!).  I think this is a weaker draft for O-linemen than what we'd like.  Considering the many teams in need of O-linemen, I feel that it will be slim pickings for teams looking for immediate starters, especially outside of round 3.

     

    I think that it would be pretty irresponsible for Beane to roll the dice on getting lucky and landing more than one TOP O-lineman prospect.  We arguably need THREE new starters and we will not get all of those in the draft.

     

    I think the vast majority of FA money needs to be invested into TWO top O-line free agents.  Let's shore up Right Tackle and ONE Guard spot, so that we won't be forced to REACH in this draft for O-linemen, and failing to add BPA talent at other positions of need.

     

    Looking forward to the Free Agency flurry, and hope we come away with TWO established, dominant O-linemen.


    I think it will be hard to bring in two high priced OL FA. Best we probably can hope for is one and it will probably be a guard since their contracts are lower than comparable talent OT. I don’t think Beane wants to be done with Spencer Brown either. 
     

    As far as the draft goes, I think it is probably gonna get weird as the high end talent is minimal and some of the best players are at lesser valued positions. I think we see Will Levis, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson and CJ stroud (in that order) all wind up as first rounder QBs as teams don’t feel like they are passing on high end talent elsewhere to take them.
     

    WRs I think we will get the top ones off the board relatively early and then a gap before the next tier starts to go. If I had to guess Quentin Johnson, Addison, Zay Flowers and  Jalen Hyatt will go in the first. Tyler Scott will be the 4th or 5th WR off the board. WR to me is a much weaker class than years prior tho I do like several projected later round guys more than those who went that time last year.

     

    Tight end is another low position value but higher talent level in this draft than we have seen in recent years. Kincaid, Mayer, Musgrave, Washington, Kuntz.

     

    OC and OG I think the Bills certainly can get a 3-4 round guy who could be a good starter eventually. Broeker, Braeden Daniels, Levengood, Forsyth. Actually like this class very much.

     

    OT is weaker but again their will be players that could start over Spencer Brown if they go that way early enough in the draft.

     

    Running back may be the deepest position in the draft but again, such low value. Pass on Bijan Robinson even if he is there at 27.

     

    I think it’s a pretty solid class all around for the defensive positions. If you need a good player in round 2 or 3 there will be one there regardless of if they are a CB, S, DL, LB. But overall the high end guys are pretty limited imo to a few DL players. 
     

    It certainly is going to be an interesting offseason. Once FA comes and goes we may have a better idea of what the Bills will do but my recommendation to them is to trade back since the strength of many positions the Bills need are in the day 2 and 3.

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    How bad were the Bills receivers this year? Hint really really bad

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    11 minutes ago, Yantha said:

     

    I'm not giving up on Gabe just yet.  It's his contract year so he'll be playing for the contract of his life....  why miss out on that...  and if he's not playing well, Shakir sees the field more.  I think Shakir is going to be special.

     

    I'd also keep Kumerow as the 5th WR.  They can't all be WR1's.

    I complain too.  But remember what it's like to have JP Losman as the starting QB, missing the playoffs time and time again...

     

    Perspective.

     

    With this roster, we're in the middle of what would be called "1st world problems" outside of the NFL.  I'm good with that, but want to see a Superbowl win.


    I wouldn’t give Gabe away but he is a WR3 not a WR2. If you can get a third or better for him on the last year of his deal I probably take it. Parlay that into a rookie on a four year contract that you think can be a WR3 or better. I like Shakir too, but we need more than Diggs and Shakir. Kumerows spot should be given to a cheap rookie. He is 31, was injured most the year, and his value is in being a special teams gunner. 
     

    We are a good team, there is no doubt about it and I’m thankful for that but doesn’t mean we should settle for mediocrity anywhere on the roster should always be looking to improve.

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    12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    I don't think he ends up in the first round (although I noted DJ had him there) because he is a RT only. 

     

    I feel like I have been here before - Jawaan Taylor, Teven Jenkins... guys who NFL teams see as right tackles only do not go day 1. 


    Normally I would agree with you my friend. But it’s a weak class overall, and especially at tackle. Paris Johnson will go ahead of him. Skoronski will too tho he may wind up at Guard eventually in his career. Then Anton Harrison, Broderick Jones or Jaelyn Duncan could be first rounders too. In the last 5 years, there has been an average of more than 4 OTs taken in the first round. I think this is the year someone as polished as him can make it towards the backend of round one ahead of Duncan and Harrison even tho he will only be a RT. Combine should shed some more light on who has the chance at going in the first as well.

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    We need to do better than Brown. Let him be a back up swing tackle and develop a bit, he was expected to be a bit of a project coming out of the draft. Maybe if he gets some time to work on his play he can carve out a starting spot in the future.

     

    I would draft Darnell Wright OT Tennessee in the first.

     

    He is ready right now to play RT. Didn’t allow a sack this year while going up against some of the pas rushers in the country such as Will Anderson. Did well at the senior bowl as well. He isn’t talked about as a first rounder much but I think he winds up as one. Much cheaper than getting a good vet in FA too.

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    Penn State players in 2023 draft

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    On 2/19/2023 at 11:38 AM, pennstate10 said:

    Which of Penn States 2023 draft entrants are a fit for the Bills?

    Here is my non-expert view as someone who has followed these guys through their college careers.

     

    PSU has 8th most players currently in NFL, per SpoTrac.  The top 10 are all the usual suspects, except somehow Iowa slips in at 9.

     

    There are currently two starters on Bills from PSU, both solid if unspectacular contributors.  Ryan Bates and Daquan Jones.

     

    PSU has had high profile players overdrafted (Maybin) and underdrafted (A. Robinson, C. Godwin) in the past few years.

     

    PSU players going to the combine are listed below:

     

    Round 1--Joey Porter Jr, CB.  One of the top 3 CB in the draft.  Will likely be gone before Bills draft, and not a need for Bills.  Pass.

     

    Round 2-3--Jayir "Tig" Brown, Safety.  Top 5 safety.  Strong tackler, good ball skills, not an elite coverage guy.  I think would be a good fit for Bills.

     

    Round 3-4 -- Parker Washington, WR.  Slot receiver I've seen mocked as high as 1st round.  I dont think he's a first round talent.  Best comp is Julian Edelman, but PW isnt as quick as Edelman.  Pass

     

    Round 3-5 --PJ Mustipher, DT.  Was considered a 1-2 round pick in 2021 before ACL.  Not as dominant this past year.  Could be a "steal" for a team willing to take a chance, but 1T DT not really  a need for Bills.

     

    Round 4-6 -- Juice Scruggs, C/G.  Had a nasty auto accident that delayed his career for over a year. Seems healed from that , started at G in 2021 and C in 2022.  Clearly a need for Bills and definitely worth a Day 3 pick.

     

    Round 5-7 -- Brenton Strange, TE.  Good blocker dependable hands. Not a need for Bills .  Pass

     

    Round 6+ -- Michell Tinsley, WR.  Good college WR, dependable hands, but not elite speed or separation.  Pass


    I think Tinsley is a bit underrated. Built a lot like Skyy Moore or a Brandon Aiyuk (long arms and big hands for his size). Especially if you go back to his WKU games with Zappe, he plays much bigger than he is when things are contested and I think is fast enough to be a solid WR in the NFL. At one point at WKU he got a step on 4.2 40 Tariq Woolen and kept that step over like 30-40 yards to the end zone. Def someone I would target as a Bills fan in the later rounds

    Don't think "WR2" in the upcoming draft. Think WR1.

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    I think Addison, Flowers and Quentin Johnson will be gone. Boutte had a rough year this year but that may be because of his injury.

     

    He is no choir boy but I think CJ Johnson out of ECU (6’1’’ 225 pound man) is a better player than Treylon Burks was last year. Burks went round one, Johnson right now is barely talked about. Get OL early and then draft a bunch of receivers in the middle and late rounds with the ability to play outside and let them earn a spot imo. 

     

     

    The pic that ruined my morning. Starting to have similar feelings for Mahomes as I did for Brady

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    No amount of rings will make him not sound like a frog or walk like a duck, just like how Brady still pees sitting down with 7.

     

    On a serious note, the Chiefs were one of the least talented teams in the AFC playoffs this year. Coaching, injury luck and not beating themselves led to a ring. Not overwhelming talent. Very Patriots like, game of attrition many years.

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