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I think this years class is clearly better and the Bills are best suited to either sign Cousins or move up for Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen rather that waiting until next year.
Next years class IMO is not close to as good as this years (not with higher end prospects especially), but I dont think its 2013 bad, not spectacular by any means.
Lock - Get used to being sick of hearing the term "gunslinger", there isnt a throw he doesnt like, needs to wok on checking down instead of throwing into coverage down the field, which he loves to do, but also needs to learn efficiency and utilize more quick set throws, recognizing coverage. If he can up his completion % by doing so and reduce the risky throws he could be in the 1st round mix.
Thorson - If you are a purely stats guy.... Well bad on you, Thorson on paper looks like a JAG. If you can see the complete lack of talent around him and his ability to make chix salad out of chix $h!t, then you'll see a leader who I thought could have been in the first round mix this year. IMO he is more of a WCO type of QB, smart, quick decisions and the opposite of Lock interms of throwing the ball. I think he's the #1 QB heading into next year (injury is clearly a factor) in his ability to potentially play immediately, and I think he'd flourish with talent around him.
Eason/Browning - If Eason can win the job over the incumbent Browning at Washington he could have a big year and be a big mover heading into the draft, Browning maybe the better college QB, but Eason has serious pro potential. Will he be allowed to showcase it? He'll likely be more of a 2020 prospect.
Stitham, Francois, Grier IMO have a lot of work to do, Bryant is talented but also has some work to do, all need refinement. Patterson I havent seen much of.
Finley I liked a lot watching him live, but watching him back on tape there was a disconnect for me, but there is a lot to like IMO, and I think made the right decision in coming back for next season, could be in the 1st round mix.
Next years Dline class is going to be spectacular! Potentially record breaking. Regardless, I hope Buffalo does not trade their 2019 1st.
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18 hours ago, JohnC said:
Interesting various scenarios. I just don't see Buffalo signing Cousins while I do see Denver more likely to do so, and then trading the pick. If that is the case then I see us taking Mayfield because I think Rosen and Darnold would be gone. If we get any of the three top rated qbs I would be more than happy. Mayfield may not be the most prototypical qb but I lean toward him.
I certainly agree that signing Cousins is least likely and him going to Denver IMO makes a ton of sense in the trade scenerio I have here, I think it makes a ton of sense for both teams and looking at the situation objectively for both teams, I dont think the situation slants towards one team more than the other. Plus my good friend who is a Bronco's die hard approved it!
Personally, I agree with Mayfield who I believe at this point is the #1 QB in the draft, despite my thinking that he is probably #3 on most teams boards. Im really interested to hear how the interview process goes for the 3 of them.
17 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:Not definitive by any means, but I ran this scenario 5 times on fanspeak using Matt Miller's board. Denver accepted 5/5 times.
5: R1P5
QB JOSH ROSEN - UCLA (x3)
QB SAM DARNOLD - USC
QB BAKER MAYFIELD - OKLAHOMA56: R2P24
LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH - BOISE STATE (x2)
C BILLY PRICE - OHIO STATE
G ISAIAH WYNN - GEORGIA
TE MARK ANDREWS - OKLAHOMA96: R3P32
DL TIM SETTLE - VIRGINIA TECH (x2)
RB JOSH ADAMS - NOTRE DAME
WR JAMES WASHINGTON - OKLAHOMA STATE
EDGE JOSH SWEAT - FLORIDA STATE123: R4P21
WR ANTHONY MILLER - MEMPHIS
EDGE DUKE EJIOFOR - WAKE FOREST
DL JUSTIN JONES - NC STATE (x2)
DL KENDRICK NORTON - MIAMI160: R5P21
LB MICAH KISER - VIRGINIA (x2)
LB JACK CICHY - WISCONSIN
WR TRE'QUAN SMITH - CENTRAL FLORIDA
LB SKAI MOORE - SOUTH CAROLINA168: R5P29
RB BO SCARBROUGH - ALABAMA
WR DAESEAN HAMILTON - PENN STATE (x2)
LB MICAH KISER - VIRGINIA
WR BRAXTON BERRIOS - MIAMIInteresting validation (FWIW) from Fanspeak, I do think its a fair trade for both teams with Denver getting the value worth moving down, while not by any means handcuffing Buffalo's draft, this year or the next.
5: R1P5 - Any of the 3 QB's.
56: R2P24 - ILB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH - BOISE STATE (Dont think Price or Wynn make it, value would be fantastic though! and Vander Esch is a great pick.)
96: R3P32 - DL TIM SETTLE - VIRGINIA TECH (IMO Washington is long gone by the 3rd round, pass on Adams for me, in the 3rd and Sweat could work, but I was at the WBHS/Oscar Smith high school game he got hurt in and he's never been the same IMO, I was sitting in front of his family with a friend in town for the game and it was bad, why he was in on special teams (Xpt) like that, Ill never know.)
123: R4P21 - EDGE DUKE EJIOFOR - WAKE FOREST
160: R5P21 - SLB JACK CICHY - WISCONSIN
168: R5P29 - RB BO SCARBROUGH - ALABAMA
This would be a fine draft IMO.
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On 2/2/2018 at 7:40 PM, JohnC said:
P51, Terrific job! It's obvious that you put in a tremendous amount of work in this endeavor.
Your listing is something I can refer to as the draft process advances.
While you have trepidations on Lamar Jackson, I don't. Without question he will need more developmental time than the top three qb prospects. It's my belief that he would be worth drafting with one of our current first round picks. Although Rosen may be the most pro ready and appealing I would take Mayfield or Darnold over him. I'm not sure Rosen is a good fit for the town.
On 2/3/2018 at 7:39 PM, Cripple Creek said:Really nice work, thanks. One thing it points out are the deeper positions, for example, you have 10 WRs projected as round one or two, DTs go a bit deeper etc. Appreciate you putting this together.
Thank you guys.
John C - It is time consuming and a lot of work, I do enjoy it and have for a long time. Lamar Jackson is certainly someone I need to put more time in with some fresh eyes, Im going to wait until after the combine at least. Rosen might not be a good fit, but if himself, Mayfield or Rosen fall to the 4th or 5th pick and a reasonable deal can be made should they not get a franchise QB in FA I would jump all over it, Rosen would actually be the last of the 3 I would pick based on his medical history, the town fit? Maybe not great, but I think he's a guy who speaks his mind, and that I can deal with. What about him do you think would not mesh well with Buffalo?
Creek - Appreciate you, the wide receiver position this year is a big group, lots of jump ball guys (6'4"+) and bigger physical (6'1"ish guys), not a great year for slot receivers, but the group is very deep, im only about 20 in and IMO they all are draftable, its a deep group. The DT's have some nice well rounded guys at the top, but nice depth in terms of being run or pass game specific. The RB group is really deep again, the QB pool is deep with depth at the top, and Ilike the CB group into the 4th-5th round. One thing that I found interesting is the TE group, they are all so similar in physical stature and playing style, yet no elite level athletes or dominate blockers, the position has changed and this group exemplifies IMO where the position has evolved to, mismatches based more on size and positioning, than much else.
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On 2/3/2018 at 11:47 AM, Bill from NYC said:
Listen, this post was absolutely outstanding.
Tell me, are you a closet Alabama Fan?
I see that you have Payne graded in the top 10. Imo this was a daring yet accurate projection. After the title game, people now know how athletic he is. He is also lightening fast in close quarters and as strong as an ox. I hope he lasts long enough for the Bills to draft.
All of the mocks love Minkah, but most omit Ronnie Harrison from the 1st round. I have been watching football even before Ronnie Lott and I'm telling you that Harrison hits as hard as any safety has in decades. He can cover, blitz, and is great against the run. Trust me, I loathe drafting 1st round defensive backs as a rule, but RH is going to win football games for his NFL team. Good call!
A quick word about Bama LBs: Coach Saban says that many of the LBs who now excel on the Tide might not have made the team several years ago because they would have been thought of as too small. This group they have now will leave school pro-ready because they excel at coverage. I hope that Shaun Dion-Hamilton does last until round 4, even if we had to wait for him to return to 100%.
And, you properly list Da'Shaun Hand as a DE and he might be a great one. He is huge, and he sure has fresh legs whereas he sat a lot on Bama, but I have a hunch that he would be a standout DT in a 4/3. Just a hunch.
Once again, thanks for a great, well thought post.
Thank you, and I think I might be?? At least when it comes to their prospects for the NFL... Geaux Tigers!!!
Payne unfortunately wont last to the BIlls IMO, if he's not the 1st DT taken in this draft, someone is making a big mistake, 3-Down monster. If he's there at 21 and the Bills are picking I'd like to see a swift immediate walk to the podium myself. He's the biggest mover on my board in the last 2 months. I have the same grade on him as I had on Donald, and I could see it going higher, I agree with you assessment on him 100%, his quickness in a phone booth is special.
Bama had maybe their best NFL able defense ever this year, the secondary as a whole was special, Minkah and RH should both go in the first, Harrison can be as special as you say, I have about the same grade as I had on Landon Collins coming out and I think Harrison is better in coverage at this point in their respective draft process, I think today he's a better prospect because of that aspect.
SDH is a guy I went with my advanced notes on and need to go back and evaluate further, you could be right, he'd be a nice get in the 4th from what I have seen of him.
Hand is pure boom or bust, he flashes when I watch others, but blends in at times as well, why did he sit so much?
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Bills mock
V1.0
Sign FA “Franchise” QB – Kirk Cousins (20%).
Draft 1
RD 1; 21 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama)
RD 1; 22 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford)
RD 2; 53 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.)
RD 2; 56 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off)
Rd 3; 95 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami)
RD 4; 117 - Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama)
RD 5; 149 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.)
RD 5; 157 – D.J. Chark (WR/ST – L.S.U.)
Sign FA QB – Bridge (or Keep T.T. if needed as Bridge) (30%).
Draft 2
RD 1; 21– Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama)
RD 1; 22 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.)
RD 2; 53 – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.)
RD 2; 56 – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.)
Rd 3; 95 – Rasheem Green (3DT/DPR – U.S.C.)
RD 4; 117 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama)
RD 5; 149 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.)
RD 5; 157 – Shaquem Griffin (OLB – U.C.F.)
No FA QB – Draft only (50%)
Draft 3
RD 1; 1 – Cleveland – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma)
RD 1; 2 – N.Y.G. – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med)
RD 1; 3 – Indianapolis – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.)
RD 1; 4 – Cleveland (via. Houston) - Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.)
*Trade*
Denver signs QB – Kirk Cousins in FA and trades the 5th pick (1700 pts) to Buffalo for picks 21, 22, 53 in the 2018 draft (1920 pts) and a 2019 4th round pick (higher of the two). Analysis: John Elway does not want to develop a QB, Cousins coming in and the need to reshape the roster in Denver allows the Bronco’s to trade the 5th pick to get a needed infusion of some cost controlled youth on their roster. Denver gets 220+ points or the equivalent of a 3rd round (74th pick) in this trade and a 2019 4th round pick as additional sweeteners. Buffalo gets the 5th pick, Denver gets 2 – 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd (equivalent/+220 pts draft value) and 2019 4th round picks.
RD 1; 5 – Buffalo (via. Denver) - Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.)
RD 2; 56 - Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.)
Rd 3; 95 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami)
RD 4; 117 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama)
RD 5; 149 – Kentavius Street (3DT – N.C. St.)
RD 5; 157 – D.J. Chark (WR/ST – L.S.U.)
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16 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Any chance McD sees Rasheem Green as DE with DT versatility? His skillset seems similar to Chad Thomas'
I think so, I almost put him in the DE group and probably should have similarly to Hand and Speaks both of whom would have to lose or hold their current weight to do so for a 43 front like McD plays but I could see McD liking that versatility and using any of the three in as base ends then sliding them inside an NASCAR like package or just as an 3 tech.
The Thomas similarity is interesting I had not thought about that... I don’t know if Thomas has that ability.... Initially on him I would say no, but your now the 3rd person to bring him up to me and I’m going to have to rewatch or watch more on him.
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16 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
....great work bud....so now take all of your assessment work and craft your Bills mock round by round...............
12 hours ago, CNY315 said:Interested in this as well
I can do that, I’ll work one today, maybe three (lol) a Cousins one, a FA bridge QB version and a non-FA Qb one.
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3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
Good stuff man!
A few opinions of my own:
- I have Lamar and Falk rated higher than you, and Allen graded lower
- Orlando Brown is one of the toughest evaluations in the draft. He really looks the part most of the time, but low-built ends are going to eat him alive IMO.
- Bad year to need a pass rusher and be outside of the top 10. I have Chad Thomas rated much higher than you, but it's a JPP-type rate-him-based-on-potential ranking. I think he's an ideal fit for what McDermott would want in a DE. Size, length, explosion, relentless motor.
- Thank you for separating LBs according to their real positions in the NFL. I think a lot of the off-ball OLBs you have are great fits for nickel 'backers in our scheme. I also think that Darius Leonard is going to go on day 2, and that he deserves to go on day 1.
- I think Derwin is a safety all day; I've seen some folks saying that he can play corner
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Re your opinions (which are always welcome):
- Lamar is killing me; my advanced notes from the last two years sound like high school puppy love, this year not so much. I’m waiting a couple weeks and revisiting him all together. Faulk looks amazing some plays and like absolute trash other times and has his fair share of aweful decisions I’m going to wait a while and come back to him with some fresh eyes as well. I get the Allen hesitation by anyone, he’s a projection for sure, I thought he showed some touch later in the Senior Bowl week, but there is a lot of work there no doubt and probably 2 years before he is remotely close to ready. The payoff could be something special.
- I agree with your thoughts on Brown.
- This Pass Rushing class is not deep at all, Key who is the best pure PR In the class when right IMO, has issues to be dealt with and sorted (20-32) is his sweat spot right now as I see it given the risk. Love Davenport, and Chubb a little less, regardless both at gone top 10. I have Edmunds projecting there to help fill the void as a realistic option and Landry is a scheme specific type and needs a plan, reminds me of Hughes and not many Hughes types make it. Hubbard is really over rated IMO.
- To have Thomas rated higher is a JPP like projection without a doubt, he needs a combine like that to go day 1, maybe 2 (highest imo) to make it happen. Where do you have him?
I want to like him, but every time I watch him I come away disappointed, leaves too many plays on the field IMO, but I see the McD fit, Jerome McDougle? I haven’t seen the motor yet, maybe I’m watching him too intently.
- Your welcome, it’s a great year for WLBs and sub package guys imo as well, and Leonard should go round 1, Odaniel is really growing on me as well, made big strides this year vs last.
- Derwin can play Either safety, but I think the closer to the line the better. CB? I’m not there yet, I can see why some say yes. The comps athletically and projection wise with Ramsey I feel are off stacking them vs each other, IMO Derwin is better going forward and Ramsey is great going backward with his back to the ball and at... well everything in general. Derwin is going to be be good regardless. I’ll try to look at him as a corner specifically and see what I think next week, I haven’t seen the inate feeling in coverage, almost hesitant. I think All Pro safety is more likely than a move to CB at this point.
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2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
So, if I'm understanding correctly, you think Rosen is the best QB in the class, but you have medical concerns that push him down to 3rd?
You are correct sir. The grade is attribute based, I haven’t figure the medical in yet, but it’s a certain cause for concern for me.
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This is my current top 10 for the offensive and defensive side of the ball as I have it broken down so far. Separately, my current top 55 Big Board. Feedback is always appreciated, as positive as possible, if you'd like to know my thoughts I will respond as soon as I can, if not have a nice weekend! I included my initial grades, many of which are inflated at this point and subject to change upon further review.
2018 NFL Draft Position Rankings
v1.0
QB
1 – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.)
Grade: Top 10
3 – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med)
Grade: Top 5
4 – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Riley Ferguson (QB – Memphis)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Lamar Jackson (QB/WR – Louisville)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Mike White (QB – W. Kentucky)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Luke Faulk (QB – Washington St.)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Kyle Lauletta (QB – Richmond)
Grade: 5th Round
RB
1 – Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.)
Grade: Top 5
2 – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia)
Grade: Top 10
3 – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
4 – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.)
Grade: 1st
5 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.)
Grade: 1st Round
6 – Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Kalen Ballage (RB – Arizona St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Royce Freeman (RB – Oregon)
Grade: 2nd Round
9 – Kerryon Johnson (RB – Auburn)
Grade: 2nd Round
10 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.)
Grade: 3rd Round
WR
1 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.)
Grade: Top 20
2 – Calvin Ridley (WR – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Courtland Sutton (WR – S.M.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Christian Kirk (WR – Texas A & M)
Grade: 1st Round
5 – Desean Hamilton (WR – Penn. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – D.J. Moore (WR – Maryland)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Simmie Cobbs Jr. (WR – Indiana)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Marcell Ateman (WR – Ok. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
9 – Allen Lazard (WR – Iowa St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
10 – Jaleel Scott (WR – N. Mexico St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
TE
1 – Mark Andrews (TE – Oklahoma)
Grade: 2nd Round
2 – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
3 – Hayden Hurst (TE – S. Carolina)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Dalton Schultz (TE – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Mike Gesicki (TE – Penn. St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
6 – Troy Fumagalli (TE – Wisconsin)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Durham Smythe (TE – Notre Dame)
Grade: 4th Round
8 – Ryan Izzo (TE – F.S.U.)
Grade: 5th Round
9 – Adam Breneman (TE – U. Mass.)
Grade: 5th Round
10 – Ian Thomas (TE – Indiana)
Grade: 6th Round
T
1 – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: Top 20
2 – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Mike McGlinchey (RT/T – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 20
4 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off)
Grade: 1st Round
5 – Chukwuma Okorafor (LT/T – W. Michigan)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Connor Williams (LT/T – Texas)(Off)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Alex Cappa (RT – Humboldt St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Brian O’Neil (LT/T – Pitt.)
Grade: 2nd Round
9 – Tyrell Crosby (RT – Oregon)
Grade: 2nd Round
10 – Martinas Rankin (LT/T – Miss. St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
G
1 – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 5
2 – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Brendan Smith (G – Auburn)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Maea Teuhema (S.E. Louisiana)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Cody Gossett (RG – Appalachain St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Taylor Hearn (G – Clemson)
Grade: 4th Round
8 – Skylar Phillips (G – Idaho St.)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Brendon Mahon (LG/G – Penn St.)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Beau Benzschawel (RG – Wisconsin)
Grade: 5th Round
C
1 – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
2 – James Daniels (C – Iowa)
Grade: 2nd Round
3 – Frank Ragnow (C/G – Arkansas)(Med)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Austin Corbett (C/G/T – Nevada)
Grade: 3rd Round
5 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama)
Grade: 3rd Round
6 – Mason Cole (C – Michigan)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Will Clapp (C/G – L.S.U.)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Tony Adams (C – N.C. St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Sean Welsh (C/G – Iowa)
Grade: 5th Round
10 – Brain Allen (C – Michigan St.)
Grade: 7th Round
DE
1 – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Arden Key (Edge/43DE – L.S.U.)(Off/Med)
Grade: Top 20
4 – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Da’Shawn Hand (DE/3DT – Alabama)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Breeland Speaks (DE/3DT – Ole Miss.)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Marcell Frazier (43DE – Mizzu)
Grade: 3rd round
8 – Jeff Holland (43DE/DPR – Auburn)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Duke Ejiofor (43DE – Wake Forrest)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami)
Grade: 4th Round
DT
1 – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington)
Grade: Top 20
4 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford)
Grade: 1st Round
5 – Andrew Brown (3DT – Virginia)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Tavern Bryan (3DT – Florida)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Derrick Nnadi (NDT – F.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Rasheem Green (3DT/DPR – U.S.C.)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Tim Settle (NDT – Va. Tech)
Grade: 3rd Round
10 – R.J. McIntosh (3DT – Miami)
Grade: 4th Round
OLB (Off Ball)
1 – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia)
Grade: Top 20
2 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB – Clemson)
Grade: 1st Round
5 – Airius Moore (LB – N.C. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Tegrey Scales (LB – Indiana)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Josey Jewell (SLB/LB – Iowa)(Med)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Oren Burks (SLB/ILB – Vanderbilt)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Shaquem Griffin (OLB – U.C.F.)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Jerome Baker (LB/ST – O.S.U.)
Grade: 5th Round
OLB (Edge)
1 – Tremaine Edmunds (Edge/LB – Va. Tech.)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Harold Landry (OLB/Edge – B.C.)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/Edge – Oklahoma)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Uchenna Nwosu (Edge/SLB – U.S.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Dorance Armstrong Jr. (Edge/DPR – Kansas)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Hercules Mata’afa (Edge/SLB – Washington St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Olasunkanmi Adeniyi (OLB/DPR – Toledo)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Marquis Haynes (OLB/DPR – Ole Miss.)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Lorenzo Carter (OLB/DPR – Georgia)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Josh Sweat (OLB/DPR – F.S.U.)(Med)
Grade: 5th Round
ILB
1 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
2 – Malik Jefferson (ILB – Texas)
Grade: 2nd Round
3 – Micah Kiser (ILB – Virginia)
Grade: 3rd Round
4 – Jack Cichy (ILB/SLB – Wisconsin)
Grade: 3rd Round
5 – James Hearns (ILB/SLB – Louisville)
Grade: 3rd Round
6 – Christian Sam (ILB – Arizona St.)
Grade: 4th Round
7 – Shaun Dion Hamilton (ILB – Alabama)(Med)
Grade: 4th Round
8 – Sione Teuhema (ILB/SLB/Edge – S.E. Louisiana)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Nick DeLuca (ILB/ST – N. Dakota St.)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Joel Lanning (ILB/ST – Iowa St.)
Grade: 5th Round
SS
1 – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round
3 – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford)
Grade: Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Kyzer White (SS – W. Virginia)
Grade: 3rd Round
5 – Terrell Edmunds (SS –Va. Tech)
Grade: 3rd Round
FS
1 – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 5
2 – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas)
Grade: 2nd Round
3 – Jordan Whitehead (FS/SS – Pitt.)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Quin Blanding (FS/SS – Virginia)
Grade: 3rd Round
5 – Dominick Sanders (FS – Georgia)
Grade: 4th Round
CB
1 – Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Denzel Ward (CB – O.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Mike Hughes (CB – U.C.F.)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Jalen Davis (NCB/CB – Utah St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Kameron Kelly (CB/SS – San Diego St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Jaire Alexander (CB – Louisville)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Levi Wallace (CB – Alabama)
Grade: 2nd Round
9 – M.J. Stewart (CB – N.Carolina)
Grade: 3rd Round
10 – Holton Hill (CB – Texas)
Grade: 3rd Round
Top 55 Big Board
V1.0
1 – Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.)
Grade: Top 5
2 – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 5
3 – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 5
4 – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.)
Grade: Top 10
5 – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma)
Grade: Top 10
6 – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.)
Grade: Top 10
7 – Tremaine Edmunds (Edge/LB – Va. Tech.)
Grade: Top 10
8 – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med)
Grade: Top 5
9 – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama)
Grade: Top 10
10 – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.)
Grade: Top 10
11 – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia)
Grade: Top 10
12 – Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa)
Grade: Top 10
13 – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.)
Grade: Top 20
14 – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia)
Grade: Top 20
15 – Denzel Ward (CB – O.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
16 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
17 – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.)(Med)
Grade: Top 20
18 – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: Top 20
19 – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia)
Grade: Top 20
20 – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan)
Grade: Top 20
21 – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington)
Grade: Top 20
22 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.)
Grade: Top 20
23 – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma)
Grade: Top 20
24 – Arden Key (Edge/43DE – L.S.U.)(Off/Med)
Grade: Top 20
25 – Harold Landry (OLB/Edge – B.C.)
Grade: Top 20
26 – Mike McGlinchey (RT/T – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 20
27 – Calvin Ridley (WR – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
28 – Mike Hughes (CB – U.C.F.)
Grade: 1st Round
29 – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
30 – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.)
Grade: 1st Round
31 – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.)
Grade: 1st Round
32 – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB/SS – Clemson)
Grade: 1st Round
33 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off)
Grade: 1st Round
34 – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.)
Grade: 1st Round
35 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford)
Grade: 1st Round
36 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.)
Grade: 1st Round
37 – Courtland Sutton (WR – S.M.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
38 – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round
39– Christian Kirk (WR – Texas A & M)
Grade: 1st Round
40 – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming)
Grade: 2nd Round
41 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/Edge – Oklahoma)
Grade: 2nd Round
42 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.)
Grade: 1st Round
43 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
44 – Jalen Davis (NCB – Utah St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
45 – Uchenna Nwosu (Edge/SLB – U.S.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
46 – Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
47 – Desean Hamilton (WR – Penn. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
48 – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford)
Grade: Grade: 2nd Round
49 – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas)
Grade: 2nd Round
50 – James Daniels (C – Iowa)
Grade: 2nd Round
51 – Airius Moore (LB – N.C. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
52 – Mark Andrews (TE – Oklahoma)
Grade: 2nd Round
53 – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado)
Grade: 2nd Round
54 – Brian O’Neil (LT/T – Pitt.)
Grade: 2nd Round
55 – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
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44 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
No, he may not be Ngata, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t the top DT in the draft. IMO, you’re selling him short. He played all over the line this season, and his final college year stats are quite similar to Ngata’s. I bet he goes in the top 15.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-is-vita-vea-the-next-haloti-ngata
Im not trying to sell him short, but stack him up relatively speaking. Ngata blocked 7 kicks vs Veas 2? In college. I had Ngata as a top 10 DT and without hindsight wanted him or sims in 06’, Ngata was my draft crush with Sims a big #2. In 04’ Ben was #1 IMO and unrealistic and Eli I thought would go 1 or 2 with Ben. Rivers, Harrris, Udeze, Vilma and Wilfork I wanted in that order with Wilfork being the most realistic as I saw it, a top 20 grade with the other four off the board I thought pre draft. Wilfork, run stuffer with some pocket collapsing ability strength wise. Vea, run stuffer with some pcket collapsing abliltiy strength wise, top 20 pick skill set wise. Vea and Ngata are compatible I agree, Ngata had a better first step athletically coming out and that separates them as I see it and it showed blocking kicks in college. I thought Ngata should have gone top 10 (Buffalo was unrealistic I thought at the time), Vea top 15 sounds right but his skill set doesn’t fit today’s NFL that well ( he is worthy), so falling down to 21 is plausible, similarly to Wilfork who fell to 21 because of his inability to shoot the gap, like Vea, I just think Ngata separates himself for his size by being able to do so better than either Vea or Wilfork.
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30 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:
Not a fan of Via. Not a fan of Hernandez.
Via I think get away with a lot of things just due to strength. He kind of a one trick pony and I feel he will struggle in the League.
Hernandez I feel just doesn’t have the length.
IMO Hernandez’s lateral agility and balance will allow him to make up for his physical limitations with arm length, his girth and natural ability to slide side to side make up for that. Vea, while I agree about his strength compensating overly at the collegiate level will allow him to hold the point and still be highly effective in a Wilfork way at the next level. His struggles will be rushing the passer at the next level consistently as they were at the collegiate level.
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15 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
I assume you mean Vita Vea. He’s an animal, man. Could play zero, one, or three tech. Instant starter. And he’ll be long gone by 21, so you won’t have to worry about him struggling for Buffalo.
Vea is not a Ngata clone like most would state, Vea doesn’t have the athleticism to block kicks like Ngata had, nor is he the athlete Ngata was at Oregon, he’s not as quick off the LOS or nearly as good at penetrating the A gaps as Ngata. He’s a really good player, and definitely NT clogger, but not a top ten guy. Ngata was special, top ten worthy, Vea is not and could certainly could last to 21, although I think he could is just as likely to be picked just before that. He’s more in the Vince Wilfork vain athletically and functionally defensively. IMO people forget how special Ngata was and want Vea to be that, Ngata was a pocket wrecker from the jump. Vea is not a 3 tech caliber game wrecker.
FWIW Wilfork went with the 21st pick i the 2004 draft.
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1 hour ago, wppete said:
Here is my post Senior Bowl Mock Draft. I can see Mcbean doing something like this depending on what they can do in free agency.
1st Rnd - DT Vita Vea, Washington
1st Rnd - DT Harrison Phillips, Stanford
2nd Rnd - C Billy Price, Ohio State
2nd Rnd - QB Kyle Lauletta, Richmond
3rd Rnd - G Will Hernandez, UTEP
4th Rnd - RB Kalen Ballage, Arizona State
5th Rnd - BPA
5th Rnd - BPA
1st rounders are possible, but 2 dts in the 1st is highly unlikely, price won’t make it till the 2nd round picks we have, Hernandez won’t make it to the end of the 3rd, Ballage wont make it to the 4th, Lauretta is not a 2nd round qb despite his senior bowl mvp. IMO this is not a realistic mock. I get 5th round bpa, but who? The qb FA would still influence everything, but still this mock is unrealistic regardless, Lauretta and and Peterson won’t cut it going into 2018 if they want to win. No lb and no pass rush would leave gaping holes on the roster.
what do you think they do if FA? I agree that 2 1st picks could be DL, but one has to be an edge rusher given the need of this team and history of this front office.
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22 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Mayfield
If available, if, Mayfield all day.
More than likely need to trade up, if he’s the target and slides into the bottom of the top 10ish area. An move can be made while keeping several valuable higher picks this year, while moving an asset it 2019 if needed and still having quality draft capital in both the 18’ and 19’ drafts for other needs/value.
IMO that is more realistic, should he slide out of the top 7 picks or so..
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9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Didn’t know if this should be here or on the main board. What does everyone think about taking Sony Michel in the 2nd (if he’s there)? I think that he is Kamara 2.0 and would be fine with it even if RB isn’t the biggest need. Just wanted to see what others thought.
I think he’s closer to Barkley and the top 20 of the draft, than he is to the 2nd round. Right now I’d be surprised if he makes it out of the 1st round, he’s got size and hands (20+ catches SO and JR years) to go with explosiveness and speed. I’ve got the top 3 backs in the draft Barkley, Michel, Guice (I’m a LSU guy) today. IMO he’s a top 20 player skill set wise.
If he’s there in the second, which I am not anticipating, I take him, it’s a easy yes.
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6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:PICK 21
Da'Ron Payne - DT, Alabama
PICK 22
Josh Jackson - CB, Iowa
Would be a huge 1st round IMO, my #1 CB and DT in the draft, would personally also love a Payne (DT), Evans (LB) 1st round, maybe even more so...
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11 minutes ago, yungmack said:
Sounds like sarcasm. Right? Anyway, for all those who think giving up a boatload of picks to grab an unproven college kid for immediate insertion into the role of Bills Savior, this week's championship games feature Keenum, Bortles, Foles and one time 6th round pick Tom Brady. Might there be a lesson here?
This is not personal to you, Im just trying to figure the conversation out regarding this years conference championship QB's and now apparently any QB will do...
Whats the lesson?
2014 - Conference Championship QBs - Luck, Brady, Rogers and Wilson (2 - 1st round picks, a 3rd and a winning 6th round lottery ticket.)
2015 Conference Championship QBs - Manning, Brady, Newton and Palmer (3 - 1st round picks (#1's) and a winning 6th round lottery ticket.)
2016 Conference Championship QBs - Rogers, Ryan, Brady and Big Ben (3 - 1st round picks and a winning 6th round lottery ticket.)
Lets ignore that in the previous 3 years, 8/9 QB's other than Brady in the Conference Championship games were 1st round picks, 4 were #1 overall, 6 were picked in the top 10, and over react to the now.
Bortles was a top 5 pick, Wentz who led the Eagles the majority of the year was a top 5 pick, and the Vikings starting QB this year was the #1 pick and they also have Teddy who was a 1st rounder on the roster.
Might this years conference championship starters be an abberation or beneficiaries of fortunate circumstances??
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1 - Keep your head up, eyes on what you want to hit.
2 - Wrap it up B.
FF 1:00?
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Except the 3 years he has been the Redskins starter they have won 9, 8 and 8. I was slow to come around on Cousins.... I think he is borderline top 10 but there is no evidence he raises his team up around him so far.
For what it’s worth...
Ive watched 75% or so of the skins games the last 10 years, I know a person with direct connections with the Skins front office (who agrees it is a mess and the only one with a clue was forced out in a power struggle, for being an “alcoholic” which could be said for many of those still running things), the owner hasn’t a clue and hires mostly yes men (should sound familiar), while meddling with things he shouldn’t. The organization is a mess and has been for years.
Everyone I know who I consider to football literate down here thinks Cousins is the only reason they make the playoffs, win 9,8,8 games instead of 5/6, 4/5, 4 games. I won’t get into injuries, drops and such...
I agree 100% he is not a top 5 guy and borderline top 10 is fair, IMO he’s raised that franchise out of drafting top 10 the last 3 years.
I have no idea if Cousins would come to Buffalo, what I know of him, he’d fit right in with the City and coaching staff, and signing him and using the draft to team build around him is the best long term path to being legitimate Super Bowl contenders that I see.
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4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:Yeah, I mean I get targeting a CB if we lose Gaines, but probably not in the 1st.
I could definitely see them going CB at some point regardless, if Gaines leaves and even if he stays, cant rely on him at this point to stay healthy. I doubt a first round corner is in the plans back to back years, although if Josh Jackson fell, I could see them snatching him up.
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30 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:
From Buffalo News today (personally would be really happy with CBS or NBC's picks):
WalterFootball.com
No. 21: Donte Jackson, CB, LSU
The Bills traded Ronald Darby to the Eagles this offseason after losing Stephon Gilmore to the Patriots. They'll need to obtain another cornerback if E.J. Gaines, an impending free agent, heads for the open market.
I could live with several, CBS and NBC I also liked, Sporting News wasnt 1/2 bad either, although doubtful no D in the 1st.
Donte Jackson in the first to Buffalo, is about the worst pick I have seen, bad for even Walter. Athletically gifted as any in the draft, but he needs a lot of work with technique, awareness and tackling. How many nickel corners with bad hands go in the 1st?
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9 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said:
I’m an LSU fan and season ticket holder and I’ll tell you straight up, absolutely not! I have no problem talking up LSU players, but Key will be a bust in the NFL. Aside from the character issues, Key has always drawn comparisons to former Tiger Barkevious Mingo. Mingo hasn’t been that great in the NFL, and Key never amounted to half the player that Mingo was.
Im a LSU fan and season TV watcher, what character issues? 1/2 the player Mingo was? Key IMO was twice the player Mingo ever was and thats being generous for me, I always viewed Key as what Mingo would have been had he had any actual football IQ or been an actual football player, not an athlete playing football, and Key IMO is still much better football player and its not close in Keys favor.
Key was suspended for violating team rules in 2016 for the A&M game and listening to his father talk, let his success go to his head and took a leave of absence to stay with his mother and get his priorities straight (IMO) last spring. I think the character issues are over blown and mostly due to people in the know not sharing the reasoning, IMO getting your $h!t together is not a character issue. Rumors of drug rehab??
He was a beast in 2016, top 5 pick was the rightful talk after the season at about 240 pounds, #1 pick by some based on the talent and production, IMO he has more heart and passion with the talent to match Myles Garrett. He was a pass rushing dream come true, length, explosiveness, moves, counter moves, football IQ, acceleration off the line, etc. The shoulder injury/surgery was put on hold until he got his head screwed on straight and that cost him heading into this season. He gained weight in the offseason (270ish pounds) to bulk up or maybe a lack of conditioning and moms home cooking? and that cost him with his lack of conditioning at the beginning of the season coupled with his recovering from labrum surgery, once he lost a little weight (20 pounds?) and got into football shape I thought he started playing well again, see the Auburn game. This to me is more of an issue, gaining all that weight and the reasoning behind it, along with the medical but I dont see those as career altering injuries.
Having said that, Im not sure he's the ideal fit for what McD looks for in a DE, but if he can stay around 250 like he got to around the Auburn game, IMO he'd be worthy risk with either 21 or 22 in the first if they want to get 4 man pressures, as he is also good at disengaging from tackles and playing run D.
My .02 fwiw...
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He's the next Jared Lorenzen.
2019 QB Class
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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2020 draft brother, 3rd year of eligibility. Looks like a #1 overall pick in the making at this time.