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Hopefully they get Leighton or Rashann E next, disappointed with Allen for sure, hoping for the best...
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Well then...
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1 minute ago, ddaryl said:
Rosen at 12.. Im starting to think lots of teams are worried about the concussions
Thats legit.
Sweet!! Please be Rosen...
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I’ve been feeling a trade up to 7 since Mayfield went first.... Rosen at 7 sounds great to me!!
ps My Browns friends are pissed right now, lots of angry emojis and Browns gonna Brown text, lol
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P51 Top 100 Big Board
Tier 1 (Top 5)
1 - Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.)
2 - Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame)
Tier 2 (Top 10)
3 - Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.)
4 - Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama)
5 - Tremaine Edmunds (ILB/LB – Va. Tech.)
6 - Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia)
7 - Denzel Ward (CB/NCB – O.S.U.)
8 - Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.)
9 - Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama)
10 - Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma)
11 - Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.)
12 - Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.)
Tier 3 (Top 20)
13 - Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med*)
14 - Vita Vea (NDT – Washington)
15 - Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.)
16 - Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia)(RF – Fum/Med)
17 - Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.)(Med)
18 - Rashaan Evans (LB/DPR – Alabama)
19 - Mike McGlinchey (RT/LT – Notre Dame)
20 - Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan)
Tier 4 (1st Round)
21 - Lamar Jackson (QB/WR – Louisville)
22 - Harold Landry (OLB/DPR – B.C.)(Med)
23 - Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia)(Med)
24 - Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.)
25 - Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa)
26 - Jaire Alexander (CB/NCB – Louisville)(Med)
27 - James Washington (WR – Ok. St.)
28 - Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.)(Med)
29 - Calvin Ridley (WR/SWR – Alabama)
30 - Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford)
31 - Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.)(Med)
32 - Frank Ragnow (C/G – Arkansas)(Med)
33 - James Daniels (C/G – Iowa)
34 - D.J. Moore (WR/SWR – Maryland)
35 - Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.)
Tier 5 (2nd and 3rd Round)
36 - Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming)
37 - Mike Hughes (CB/NCB – U.C.F.)
38 - Uchenna Nwosu (SLB/DPR – U.S.C.)
39 - Anthony Miller (SWR/WR – Memphis)
40 - Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama)
41 - Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.)
42 - Austin Corbett (G/C/T – Nevada)
43 - Tarvarius Moore (FS/CB/SS – Southern Miss)
44 - Christian Kirk (SWR/WR – Texas A & M)
45 - Terrell Edmunds (SS –Va. Tech)
46 - Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford)
47 - Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.)(Med)
48 - Connor Williams (LT/T/G – Texas)(Med)
49 - Tavern Bryan (3DT/5TDE – Florida)
50 - Lorenzo Carter (OLB/DPR – Georgia)
51 - Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado)
52 - Tyrell Crosby (RT/G – Oregon)
53 - Rasheem Green (43DE/InteriorDPR/3DT – U.S.C.)
54 - D.J. Chark (WR – L.S.U.)
55 - Desean Hamilton (WR/SWR – Penn St.)
56 - Arden Key (OLB/DPR – L.S.U.)(Off/Med*)
57 - Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma)
58 - Kerryon Johnson (RB – Auburn)
59 - Nick Chubb (RB – Georgia)(RF – Fum/Med)
60 - Dorian O’Daniel (WLB – Clemson)
61 - Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.)
62 - Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.)
63 - Brendan Smith (G – Auburn)
64 - Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.)
65 - Courtland Sutton (WR/BSWR – S.M.U.)
66 - Malik Jefferson (ILB – Texas)
67 - Carlton Davis (CB – Auburn)
68 - Da’Shawn Hand (43DE/5TDE/InteriorDPR/3DT – Alabama)
69 - Breeland Speaks (5TDE/43DE/InteriorDPR/3DT – Ole Miss.)
70 - P.J. Hall (3DT – Sam Houston St.)
71 - Equanimeous St. Brown (WR – Notre Dame)
72 - Andrew Brown (3DT – Virginia)
73 - Alex Cappa (RT/G – Humboldt St.)
74 - Fred Warner (OLB/SS/Hyb – B.Y.U.)
75 - Micheal Gallup (WR – Colorado St.)
76 - Mike Gesicki (RTE/BSWR – Penn. St.)
77 - Genard Avery (ILB/SLB/DPR – Memphis)
78 - Jessie Bates III (FS/SHS – Wake Forrest)
79 - Jalen Davis (NCB/FS – Utah St.)
80 - Parry Nickerson (NCB/CB – Tulane)
81 - Hayden Hurst (TE – S. Carolina)
82 - Airius Moore (WLB/ILB – N.C. St.)
83 - Duke Ejiofor (43DE – Wake Forrest)
84 - Simmie Cobbs Jr. (WR – Indiana)
85 - Cody Gossett (RG – Appalachain St.)
86 - Josh Sweat (OLB/DPR – F.S.U.)(Med*)
87 - Brandon Parker (LT – N. Carolina A & T)
88 - Nathan Shepard (DT/5TDE – Fort Hays St.)
89 - Royce Freeman (RB – Oregon)
90 - Ito Smith (3D RB – S. Miss.)(RF – Fum)
91 - Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/DPR – Oklahoma)
92 - Shaquem Griffin (WLB/DPR – U.C.F.)
93 - Jamarco Jones (LT – O.S.U.)
94 - Dalton Schultz (TE – Stanford)
95 - Kemoko Turay (OLB/DPR – Rutgers)(Med)
96 - Mike White (QB – W. Kentucky)
97 - Wyatt Teller (G – Va. Tech)
98 - Micah Kiser (ILB – Virginia)
99 - Derrick Nnadi (NDT – F.S.U.)
100 - Tim Settle (NDT – Va. Tech)
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18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I am convinced Hughes will go higher than Josh Jackson. What does Josh Jackson do at a really high level? I just don't see anything on tape.
You could very well be right, no doubt.
IMO Jackson does many things at a high or really high level including plays zone coverage, triggering from zone, press and bail, read and reacts, correctly chooses when to drop coverage naturally while showing route/pattern recognition, is instinctual and has an innate feel for the play as it develops, has situational and field awareness in addition to anticipation skill and high football IQ, trail technique, on field reaction speed, contests the catch point, ability to play on the big stage, his catch radius is good and his ability to deflect passes with one hand when he cant get two on it is all high level, or really high level and has elite eye discipline from zone coverage and elite hands and ball skills. All these things are on the Iowa St., Penn St., Mich St., Minnesota, Ohio St., Wisconsin, and Boston College tape.
He has his warts for sure, and I wouldnt play him in the slot, or in a man based coverage system. I could see Hughes going before him, even though their 40 times are fairly even, Hughes has go get it speed IMO for instance, and has the ability to play pure man and the slot. Their combine numbers go tit for tat... Hughes is smaller with smaller hands and shorter arms (not that Jacksons arm length is stellar) Whats you flavor is what it comes down to the two of them for me, bigger zone ballhawk or shorter more diverse corner ?
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17 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
Yeah, I definitely think that Davenport could go much higher, but I just didn't see a great slot for him outside of Denver at 12 (maybe Washington).
Admittedly I went back and forth between Hughes and Jackson to Seattle. I actually like Jackson quite a bit, but I think he's a bit more scheme-specific than Hughes. I also think that I like Hughes' toughness and long speed a bit more.
By the way, your big board was outstanding
Re: Davenport, I think the Colts in a trade down (which you dont have happening, obviously and Smith is a great pick for them) would target him and I wouldnt sleep on him at 6 either as their pass rush is awful, Henry Anderson and M. Hunt at LE??. For me their grade is about identical with Davenport being more of a comfortable projection at a premium position. I think the 9ers are darkhorse for him as well, hard to argue with the Nelson pick, great value and makes sense, but Arik Armstead is out of position and I think on the trade block, he just doesnt fit their new D. Tough call with the 9ers as well. It'll will be interesting to see how the league views him.
Jackson certainly is scheme specific (zone) and IMO a perimeter CB or FS position change only. He is not good in the slot and should always have his eyes on the play in front of him. Long speed and toughness are fair points, Jackson fits the Seattle D very well, his spatial awareness, route recognition and eye discipline coupled with his ability to high point, attack and make the play on the ball is special from zone coverage. Hughes is talented and I could easily see him going in the first round, Seattle's traditional height preferences oddly seem to be going out the door lately and pick like Hughes could signal a change in coverage philosophy, making that an interesting pick as their current CB's seem to be shorter than they have been historically collectively at this point in time.
Lol, well thank you regarding the big board, I appreciate it!! IF you get some time, I would appreciate any critique or feedback you have, my time this year was a all time low in "draft prep", if you dont, no worries
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Quality work again Bandito, makes sense IMO throughout.
Seattle picking Hughes and Davenport dropping into the 20s were the only things that seemed off to me (in a minor way).
Just wondering what you thought of Josh Jackson and why Hughes over him to Seattle at corner?
Landing Darnold a 5 for that deal would Great in my book!!
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3 hours ago, RFL said:
Aside from the time you spent researching? Only 1 OT with a first round grade. You very well may be spot on but more than 1 goes on Thursday. Kinda nice to say thursday.....instead of next month.
The tackles this year IMO have a lot of question marks and only McGlinchey seems to be the most consistent on/off the field and throughout the process. I do agree that their is likely going to be more than one off the board on Thursday (very nice to say indeed) night, but I think that'll be a positional value/need issue forcing them up the board. Williams or Miller would be my guess, I have been high on Miller but cooled off on him and Williams would have been a top 10-20 pick at this time last year, but given his injury and play this year along with his future position in the NFL, he's a risky projection IMO as a 1st rounder. I could see a team projecting them as 1st year starters and taking a chance at the end of the round, but I would be surprised if anyone other than McGlinchey went before pick 20 and I think he's more likely than not to slip a little as well.
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On 4/20/2018 at 10:09 PM, RFL said:
Great job.....impressive! Will have to check back
Please do! Anything stick out to you in these rankings?
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2 hours ago, JohnC said:
Fantastic job. When the draft is complete I will go back and match it up with your rankings. It's obvious that you put a lot of time, effort and thought into your work. Would lover to hear from Bandito, Gunner and Bloke and see where there is a major disparity.
Thank you, lots of time and effort for sure. I like to go back and look myself, usually even more interesting to do so after a couple years... I like getting feed back and those three amigos are definetly at the top of my list! I like the top of this draft more than most, so I am definetly looking forward to hearing what others have to say.
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2018 NFL Draft Position Rankings
V2.0
QB
1 – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.)
Grade: Top 10
3 – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med*)
Grade: Top 20*
4 – Lamar Jackson (QB/WR – Louisville)
Grade: 1st Round
5 – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Mike White (QB – W. Kentucky)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Kyle Lauletta (QB – Richmond)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Riley Ferguson (QB – Memphis)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Kurt Benkert (QB – Virginia)
Grade: 6th Round
11 – Nic Shimonek (QB – Texas Tech)
Grade: 7th Round
12 – Luke Faulk (QB – Washington St.)
Grade: 7th Round
RB
1 – Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.)
Grade: Top 5
2 – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia)(RF – Fum/Med)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.)(Med)
Grade: Top 20
4 – Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.)
Grade: 1st Round
5 – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Kerryon Johnson (RB – Auburn)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Nick Chubb (RB – Georgia)(RF – Fum/Med)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Royce Freeman (RB – Oregon)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Ito Smith (3D RB – S. Miss.)(RF – Fum)
Grade: 3rd Round
10 – John Kelly (RB – Tennessee)(Off)
Grade: 3rd Round
11 – Mark Walton (RB – Miami)(RF – Fum)
Grade: 4th Round
12 – Nyheim Hines (CoP RB – N.C. St.)(RF – Fum)
Grade: 4TH Round
13 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.)
Grade: 4th Round
14 – Justin Jackson (RB – Northwestern)
Grade: 4th Round
15 – Akrum Wadley (3D RB – Iowa)(RF – Fum)
Grade: 5th Round
16 – Chase Edmonds (3D RB – Fordham)(Med)
Grade: 5th Round
17 – Kalen Ballage (RB – Arizona St.)(RF – Fum)
Grade: 5th Round
18 – Bo Scarbrough (RB – Alabama)(RF – Fum)
Grade: 5th Round
19 – Josh Adams (RB – Notre Dame)
Grade: 5th Round
20 – Ryan Green (CoP RB – F.S.U.)
Grade: 7th Round
WR
1 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.)
Grade: 1st Round
2 – Calvin Ridley (WR/SWR – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round
3 – D.J. Moore (WR/SWR – Maryland)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Anthony Miller (SWR/WR – Memphis)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Christian Kirk (SWR/WR – Texas A & M)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – D.J. Chark (WR – L.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Desean Hamilton (WR/SWR – Penn St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
8 – Courtland Sutton (WR/BSWR – S.M.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
9 – Equanimeous St. Brown (WR – Notre Dame)
Grade: 2nd Round
10 – Micheal Gallup (WR – Colorado St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
11 – Simmie Cobbs Jr. (WR – Indiana)
Grade: 3rd round
12 – Dante Pettis (SWR/WR – Washington)
Grade: 3rd Round
13 – Deon Cain (WR – Clemson)
Grade: 3rd Round
14 – Allen Lazard (BSWR/WR – Iowa St.)
Grade: 4th Round
15 – Tre’Quan Smith (WR – U.C.F.)
Grade: 4th Round
16 – Daurice Fountain (WR – N. Iowa)
Grade: 4th Round
17 – Marcell Ateman (WR – Ok. St.)
Grade: 4th Round
18 – Jaleel Scott (WR – N. Mexico St.)
Grade: 5th Round
19 – Cedric Wilson (WR – Boise St.)
Grade: 5th Round
20 – Deontay Burnett (SWR/WR – U.S.C.)
Grade: 5th Round
21 – Jordan Lasley (WR – U.C.L.A.)(Off*)
Grade: 6th Round*
TE
1 – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
2 – Mike Gesicki (RTE/BSWR – Penn. St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
3 – Hayden Hurst (TE – S. Carolina)
Grade: 3rd Round
4 –Dalton Schultz (TE – Stanford)
Grade: 3rd Round
5 – Ian Thomas (RTE – Indiana)
Grade: 4th Round
6 – Mark Andrews (RTE – Oklahoma)(Med*)
Grade: 4th Round*
8 – Tyler Conklin (TE – C. Michigan)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Troy Fumagalli (TE – Wisconsin)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Christopher Herndon (RTE – U. Miami)(Med)
Grade: 5th Round
11 – Jordan Aikens (RTE – U.C.F.)
Grade: 5th Round
12 – Durham Smythe (BTE – Notre Dame)
Grade: 5th Round
13 – Ryan Izzo (BTE – F.S.U.)
Grade: 6th Round
14 – Will Dissly (BTE – Washington)
Grade: 6th Round
15 – Adam Breneman (RTE – U. Mass.)
Grade: 7th Round
T
1 – Mike McGlinchey (RT/LT – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 20
2 – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.)(Med)
Grade: 2nd Round
3 – Connor Williams (LT/T/G – Texas)(Med)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Tyrell Crosby (RT/G – Oregon)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Alex Cappa (RT/G – Humboldt St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Brandon Parker (LT – N. Carolina A & T)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Jamarco Jones (LT – O.S.U.)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Chukwuma Okorafor (LT/T – W. Michigan)
Grade: 3rd Round
10 – Brian O’Neil (LT/T – Pitt.)
Grade: 3rd Round
11 – Martinas Rankin (LT/T – Miss. St.)
Grade: 4th Round
12 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off/Drug*)
Grade: 4th Round*
13 – Geron Christian (LT/T – Louisville)
Grade: 5th Round
14 – Will Richardson (RT – N.C. St.)(Off/Drug*)
Grade: 5th Round*
15 – Toby Weathersby (RT/G – L.S.U.)
Grade: 6th Round
G
1 – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 5
2 – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia)(Med)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Austin Corbett (G/C/T – Nevada)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Brendan Smith (G – Auburn)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Cody Gossett (RG – Appalachain St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Wyatt Teller (G – Va. Tech)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Taylor Hearn (G – Clemson)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Tony Adams (G/C – N.C. St.)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Cole Madison (G/RT – Washington St.)
Grade: 5th Round
11 – Maea Teuhema (G – S.E. Louisiana)
Grade: 5th Round
12 – Skylar Phillips (G – Idaho St.)
Grade: 5th Round
13 – Brendon Mahon (LG/G – Penn St.)
Grade: 6th Round
14 – Jamil Demby (G – Maine)
Grade: 6th round
15 – Sam Jones (G – Arizona St.)
Grade: 7th Round
C
1 – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.)(Med)
Grade: 1st Round
2 – Frank Ragnow (C/G – Arkansas)(Med)
Grade: 1st Round
3 – James Daniels (C/G – Iowa)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama)
Grade: 4th Round
5 – Mason Cole (C – Michigan)
Grade: 4th Round
6 – Will Clapp (C/G – L.S.U.)
Grade: 5th Round
7 – Sean Welsh (C/G – Iowa)
Grade: 5th Round
8 – Scott Quessenberry (G – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: 6th Round
9 – Coleman Shelton (C – Washington)
Grade: 7th Round
10 – Brain Allen (C – Michigan St.)
Grade: 7th Round
DE
1 – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.)
Grade: Top 10
3 – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Rasheem Green (43DE/InteriorDPR/3DT – U.S.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Da’Shawn Hand (43DE/5TDE/InteriorDPR/3DT – Alabama)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Breeland Speaks (5TDE/43DE/InteriorDPR/3DT – Ole Miss.)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Duke Ejiofor (43DE – Wake Forrest)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Marcell Frazier (43DE – Mizzu)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Jaylon Holmes (43DE/5TDE – O.S.U.)
Grade: 4th Round
11 – Kentavious Street (43DE/InteriorDPR/3DT)(Med*)
Grade: 5th Round*
12 – Tyquan Lewis (43DE – O.S.U.)
Grade: 5th Round
13 – Ade Aruna (43DE – Tulane)
Grade: 6th Round
14 – Kyle Fitts (43DE – Utah)(Med)
Grade: 6th Round
15 – Justin Lawler (43DE – S.M.U.)
Grade: 7th Round
16 – John Franklin-Myers (5TDE/43DE – Stephen F. Austin)
Grade: 7th Round
DT
1 – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan)
Grade: Top 20
4 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Tavern Bryan (3DT/5TDE – Florida)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – P.J. Hall (3DT – Sam Houston St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Andrew Brown (3DT – Virginia)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Nathan Shepard (DT/5TDE – Fort Hays St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – B.J. Hill (3DT – N.C. St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
10 – Tim Settle (NDT – Va. Tech)
Grade: 3rd Round
11 – Derrick Nnadi (NDT – F.S.U.)
Grade: 3rd Round
12 – Foley Fatukasi (NDT/DT – U. Conn.)
Grade: 4th Round
13 – R.J. McIntosh (3DT – Miami)
Grade: 4th Round
14 – Deadrin Senat (NDT – U.S.F.)
Grade: 5th Round
15 – Bilal Nichols (DT – Delaware)
Grade: 5th Round
16 – Trenton Thompson (3DT/5T-4i DE – Georgia)(Med*)
Grade: 5th Round*
OLB (Off Ball)
1 – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Rashaan Evans (LB/DPR – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
3 – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Uchenna Nwosu (SLB/DPR – U.S.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB/SS/Hyb – Clemson)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Fred Warner (OLB/SS/Hyb – B.Y.U.)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Airius Moore (WLB/ILB – N.C. St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Shaquem Griffin (WLB/DPR – U.C.F.)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Oren Burks (OLB – Vanderbilt)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Tegrey Scales (OLB – Indiana)
Grade: 4th Round
11 – Jerome Baker (WLB – O.S.U.)
Grade: 5th Round
12 – Kenny Young (OLB – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: 6th Round
13 – Josey Jewell (SLB/ILB – Iowa)
Grade: 6th Round
14 – Sione Teuhema (SLB/ILB – S.E. Louisiana)
Grade: 6th Round
15 – Matthew Thomas (WLB/SLB – F.S.U.)
Grade: 7th Round
16 – Joel Iyiegbuniwe (WLB – W. Kentucky)
Grade: 7th Round
OLB (Edge)
1 – Harold Landry (OLB/DPR – B.C.)(Med)
Grade: 1st Round
2 – Lorenzo Carter (OLB/DPR – Georgia)
Grade: 2nd Round
3 – Arden Key (OLB/DPR – L.S.U.)(Off/Med*)
Grade: 2nd Round*
4 – Josh Sweat (OLB/DPR – F.S.U.)(Med*)
Grade: 3rd Round*
5 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/DPR – Oklahoma)
Grade: 3rd Round
6 – Kemoko Turay (OLB/DPR – Rutgers)(Med)
Grade: 3rd Round
7 – Dorance Armstrong Jr. (OLB/DPR – Kansas)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Olasunkanmi Adeniyi (DPR/OLB – Toledo)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Marquis Haynes (DPR/OLB – Ole Miss.)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Jeff Holland (OLB/DPR – Auburn)
Grade: 4th Round
11 – Leon Jacobs (OLB/DPR/ILB/SS – Wisconsin)
Grade: 5th Round
12 – Ja’Von Rolland-Jones (OLB/DPR – Arkansas St.)
Grade: 6th Round
13 – Antonio Simmons (OLB/DPR – Georgia Tech)
Grade: 6th Round
14 – Sharif Finch (DPR/OLB – Temple)
Grade: 6th Round
15 – Trevon Young (OLB/DPR – Louisville)(Med*)
Grade: 7th Round*
ILB
1 – Tremaine Edmunds (ILB/LB – Va. Tech.)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.)
Grade: 1st Round
3 – Malik Jefferson (ILB – Texas)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Genard Avery (ILB/SLB/DPR – Memphis)
Grade: 3rd Round
5 – Micah Kiser (ILB – Virginia)
Grade: 3rd Round
6 – Hercules Mata’afa (ILB/SLB/DPR – Washington St.)
Grade: 4th Round
7 – James Hearns (ILB/OLB/DPR – Louisville)
Grade: 5th Round
8 – Nick DeLuca (ILB – N. Dakota St.)
Grade: 5th Round
9 – Jack Cichy (ILB/SLB – Wisconsin)(Med*)
Grade: 5th Round*
10 – Quenton Poling (ILB – Ohio)
Grade: 5th Round
11 – Joel Lanning (ILB/ST – Iowa St.)
Grade: 7th Round
12 - Christian Sam (ILB – Arizona St.)
Grade: 7th Round
13 – Shaun Dion Hamilton (ILB/WLB – Alabama)(Med*)
Grade: UDFA*
SS
1 – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford)
Grade: 1st Round
3 – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama)
Grade: 2nd Round
4 – Terrell Edmunds (SS –Va. Tech)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Kameron Kelly (SS/CB – San Diego St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
6 – Jeremy Reaves (SS – S. Alabama)(Med)
Grade: 4th Round
7 – Kyzer White (SS/NLB/Hyb – W. Virginia)
Grade: 4th Round
8 – Marcus Allen (SS/NLB/Hyb – Penn St.)
Grade: 4th Round
9 – Goodwin Igwebuike (SS – Northwestern)
Grade: 4th Round
10 – Siran Neal (SS/CB – Jacksonville St.)
Grade: 4th Round
11 – Jordan Whitehead (SS/NCB/Hyb – Pitt.)
Grade: 4th Round
12 – Tracy Walker (SS/CB – Louisiana Lafayette)
Grade: 5th Round
13 – Troy Apke (SS – Penn St.)
Grade: 6th Round
14 – Dane Cruickshank (SS/CB – Arizona)
Grade: 6th Round
FS
1 – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Tarvarius Moore (FS/CB/SS – Southern Miss)
Grade: 2nd Round
3 – Jessie Bates III (FS/SHS – Wake Forrest)
Grade: 3rd Round
4 – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas)
Grade: 3rd Round
5 – Quin Blanding (FS/SS – Virginia)
Grade: 4th Round
6 – Armani Watts (FS/NCB – Texas A & M)
Grade: 5th Round
7 – Rashaan Golden (FS/NCB – Tennessee)
Grade: 6th Round
8 – Natrell Jamerson (FS/CB – Wisconsin)
Grade: 6th Round
9 – Tre Flowers (FS – Oklahoma St.)
Grade: 6th Round
10 – Dominick Sanders (SHFS – Georgia)
Grade: 7th Round
CB
1 – Denzel Ward (CB/NCB – O.S.U.)
Grade: Top 10
2 – Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa)
Grade: 1st Round
3 – Jaire Alexander (CB/NCB – Louisville)(Med)
Grade: 1st Round
4 – Mike Hughes (CB/NCB – U.C.F.)
Grade: 2nd Round
5 – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado)
Grade: 2nd Round
6 – Carlton Davis (CB – Auburn)
Grade: 2nd Round
7 – Jalen Davis (NCB/FS – Utah St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
8 – Parry Nickerson (NCB/CB – Tulane)
Grade: 3rd Round
9 – Quenton Meeks (CB – Stanford)
Grade: 3rd Round
10 – Duke Dawson (NCB – Florida)
Grade: 3rd Round
11 – Donte Jackson (NCB/CB – LSU)
Grade: 4th Round
12 – Darius Phillips (NCB – W. Michigan)
Grade: 4th Round
14 – M.J. Stewart (NCB/CB/S – U.N.C.)
Grade: 4th Round
15 – Avonte Maddox (NCB – Pitt)
Grade: 4th Round
16 – Anthony Averett (CB/NCB – Alabama)
Grade: 4th Round
17 – Levi Wallace (NCB/CB – Alabama)
Grade: 5th Round
18 – Nick Nelson (CB/NCB – Wisconsin)
Grade: 5th Round
19 – Isaac Yiadom (CB – Boston College)
Grade: 5th
20 – Holton Hill (CB – Texas)(Off*)
Grade: 6th Round
21 – Danny Johnson (NCB/FS/CB – Southern)
Grade: 6th Round
22 – Tony Brown (NCB/SS – Alabama)
Grade: 6th Round
23 – Trey Johnson (CB/NCB – Villanova)
Grade: 6th Round
24 – Tarvarus McFadden (CB/S – F.S.U.)
Grade: 6th
25 – Brandon Facyson (CB – Va. Tech.)(Med*)
Grade: 7th Round*
26 – J.C. Jackson (CB – Maryland)
Grade: 7th Round
27 – Kevin Tolliver II (CB/FS – L.S.U.)(Char/Med*)
Grade: 7th Round
28 – Deatrick Nichols (NCB – U.S.F.)
Grade: 7th Round
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Alex Cappa.
No doubt about it, athletic junkyard dog in between whistles, he and Dawkins mean streaks as bookends for a decade at tackle, sign me up.
Drafting K. Johnson over him would be a mistake IMO.
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5 hours ago, Pete said:
No Nick Chubb, Hercules Mata'afa or Anthony Miller in top 50?
This was from 2 months ago, but I’m updating it now, offense is updated, working on D and am on offball and mikes now with DBs still to go. I was hoping to put it out today, but looks like next week.
Im still not top 50 on Chubb or Bad Mata’afa, but Miller maybe close, I’m doing positional rankings now, big board after, should have a top 100 next time.
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7 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
Monster
Lavonte David like
I have Leonard graded as a top-50 guy, Warner as a day 2, and DOD as an early day 3 guy
Yes he is, I got a 1st round grade on Leonard, he’s going to be a stud.
DOD I have a 2nd round grade and Warner I’m hoping to watch when I get back stateside next week. Any games in particular for Warner you recommend?
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14 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:
You sold me, lets sign the papers. LOL
Lol, thank you, now I just need to make the conference call with Beane and Gettleman!!
I do seriously think the Giants would be able to significantly help their team and overall roster by trading with the Bills more so than anyone else, especially given the scheme shift and lack of talent still that fits the D and offensive line. IMO the "not getting a premium talent" or drop off in talent arguement is flawed, Davenports ceiling is higher than Chubbs IMO, Nelson alone is not greater than getting say McGlinchey and Wynn. Thants not even taking into account the 2nd and 3rd rounders for instance.
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9 minutes ago, Lurker said:
IIRC, Big Ben was a much more accomplished prospect than Allen, with twice the passing yards and nearly double the TDs...
Rothlisberger:
Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (OH) 854 1304 65.5 10829 8.3 8.4 84 34 151.3 2001 Miami (OH) MAC FR QB 12 241 381 63.3 3105 8.1 7.9 25 13 146.5 2002 Miami (OH) MAC SO QB 12 271 428 63.3 3238 7.6 7.4 22 11 138.7 *2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 14 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8 Allen:
Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 I thought Big Ben was the #1 QB in that draft, way cleaner coming out (your right, accomplished as well) than Allen is and its not even close. The small school thing is the reason he didnt go #1 IMO (then and now).
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Chubb at #2 doesnt make much sense, trading a 43DE to draft one for a 34D? He could transition, but there are more natural fits and that is a projection.
Adding Jerry Hughes is not ideal (especially contractually) schematically, but has 34 experience and would give them depth as an edge rusher, or options.
Shaq L. would be a better fit as a SAM backer for them...
Trading down to 12 and 22 (plus) and taking Harold Landry (34WOLB) at 12 or McGlinchey (RT) then, McGlinchey(RT)/I.Wynn(LG)/Guice(RB)/Michel(RB)/Jackson(CB)/Hughes(CB)/Evans(LB) at 22 would go a long way to helping them "win now" and in the future.
Adding Shaq Lawson to play SAM backer would fit this mold as well.
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6 minutes ago, Gugny said:
That's what you get when you have a crappy, lazy, slow GM.
Whaley would have already pulled trigger!!
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Some quick numbers I did earlier in a different thread, biggest sticking point IMO is the value assigned to future picks.
Incarceratedbob Bills proposed trade to Giants is “as is”.
As is...
J. Johnson trade chart: Giants 2600 pts, Bills 2615 pts, plus a 2019 2nd round as a sweetner (265 points estimate, as 1st pick in 3rd round value) roughly 2880 pts total. Personally I think given the Jets trade (34% increase/23rd pick in draftvalue) it will take a little more to seal the deal. 11% increase? Ideal for Buffalo, but unlikely IMO from the Giants. 280 pts is 63rd/64th pick value. Could hold still and see if the Giants bite.
Probably need to be more like this...
J. Johnson trade value chart: Giants 2600 pts, Bills #12, #22, #53, #56, #65 (pts) and 2019 2nd round pick (265 estimate again) is 3220 pts total and an 24% increase... Still might not be enough, 620 pts is the 30th pick, still 140 pts off the Jets trade value which is about the value of the 90th pick. This is where I would hold firm, regardless.
Equivalent of #2 for 2-1sts, 2-nds and a 2-3rds.
Add pick 96 (116pts) and its still only a 28% increase in value, about the 24th pick in the draft.
Thats pick #2 for the equivalent of 2-1sts, 2-2nds and 3-3rds.
As is...
Rich Hill trade chart: Giants 717.17 pts, Bills 861.43 pts (2019 2nd rounder estimate value 2018 65th pick (rd3/pick1) 77.95pts), 144.26 pt difference (roughly the 41st pick (rd2/pick 9)) and an 20% increase.
Probably need to be more like this....
R. Hill trade chart: Giants 717.17 pts, Bills #12, #22, #53, #56, and 2019 2nd round (estimate value 77.95pts) for a total of 881.75 pts, 164.58 pts increase, 23% increase or the 36th pick (rd2/pick 4) value. This is where I would hold firm, regardless.
Equivalent of #2 for 2-1sts, 2-nds and a 3rd.
Add pick 65 (77.95pts) and the value meets the Jets trade value (+34%) roughly the 23rd pick in the draft.
Thats pick #2 for the equivalent of 2-1sts, 2-2nds and 2-3rds.
Hopefully they (Giants) use the R. Hill trade chart and value the 2019 2nd round pick similarly to me... Either way, I dont see the Giants not countering higher at least the 56th pick in addition.
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2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
I think most people know or suspect that, but this board would be really dull today without this thread.
I don't think the Cardinals can really match what we can offer without paying ridiculous amounts from future drafts.
I dont see the Cardinals doing it either, but you never know, the Bears paid a ridiculous price to move up 1 spot last year. The need for a QB makes some GM's do crazy things. Maybe the Bronco's fall in love with 2 guys and pay the price to move up to #2, who knows with the draft, maybe the Giants can get Nelson, Chubb or Barkley at 5 and pick some extra assets and are good with that, better than moving down to 12 in their eyes possibly.
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8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
It won’t be cheap but fortunately the Giants can’t get an offer better than that. It is a matter of whether or not the Giants are comfortable moving down. They hold some cards because they have a desirable pick. We hold some cards in that we have the best possible offer.
Cheap it will not be, but some of these trade offers Im seeing arent realistic given the Jets trade, the Giants will leverage that increase in value, to what point I dont know, but I cant see them saying "Ok, the Colts got a 34% return for the 3rd pick to move down to 6+, we're good taking a 11% return to move 12+." The Bills do hold some cards. We very well may have the best offer, than its up to them, however, if the offer isnt good enough, its still up to them and they could just say its not good enough, we will take whomever.
I do think there can be some middle ground that would be palatable for both teams, I hope for the Bills there is and someone like the Cardinals dont come knocking out of the blue.
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3 minutes ago, GG said:
To play the devil's advocate, Jets may have overpaid to move up. How many teams can match what's proposed by the trade rumors? And if the Bills are convince that the #2 QB is a franchise player, they have much more draft ammo than anyone.
They did clearly overpay and that was just to move up from 6 to 3, but they did not pay too much over the going rate for a QB in the top 5 which if I remember correctly is about a 30% increase, they paid a 34% increase.
Your right, not many teams can match what the Bills have to offer, but the Giants are not going to take pennies on the dollar, the market was set by the Jets trade. The Giants dont have to move down, they may take slightly less, but it would be bad business to take significantly less than market value. The Giants know the Bills have more ammo than everyone else besides the Browns and will squeeze them for as close to market value as possible, they are not going to give them a discount.
It'll be up to the Bills to come up with a price point that they are comfortable with and hold firm and try to get the Giants to bite IMO.
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