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2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
I disagree. His first year was one of the best coaching performances I ever saw. He took a 5-11 roster, made them a 9-7 team and made the playoffs. Yes, they backed in and were lucky to get there but that team should not have been close. That's why I am impressed with his record. Despite the talent he has had the last 5 years
I love when people say something like this. The 2016 bills went seven and nine and were in the playoff hunt until week 16(ot loss to Miami and Rex resigning fired). He took the 16th ranked offence to 29th and the defence was pretty much the same. Yep got some breaks and Andy Dalton got them into the playoffs.
Then came Allen.
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1 minute ago, Virgil said:
Both. We made the playoffs with McD before Josh was here. Josh and Daboll elevated the Bills to the next level. From all of that, the team learned how to win, which is a mindset that is undervalued.
If Josh never came here, I think we would still be a 9-10 win team that made the wildcard more seasons than not.
From a McD fan. I too think they'd be around 500, like they were much of the 19 year drought.
Allen makes them a Superbowl team, however can McD get them there (or not get in their way). I hope he does.
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1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Bills win or lose because of Allen.
You can find 20 other headcoaxhes to do just as well or better than McD.
There are only 2-4 other QBs even in the discussion with Allen.
As for second chance QBs, I would add Kurt Warner. Won a SB and then almost had another with the Carinals.
Kurt Warner was bagging groceries (he was undrafted).
Many QB's that were low draft picks have excelled under the proper coach.
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25 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:
I don't think many here have said the McDermott is responsible for Josh's success, exactly, but the team's culture shift, and the defensive success.
Who has said McDermott made Josh a great QB?
The question many debate is this:
Are the Bills better off with a proven offensive coach who can lead not just the team but Allen — and thus preclude the revolving door of OCs we will have if we sustain offensive success which will lead to OCs getting head coach jobs.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the more prevalent question here.
I'm sure some head coaches could do a better job with Allen. That may or may not come at the expense of our "culture" and defensive success. If we have an early and embarrassing playoff exit this year, I would not cry if we moved in another coaching direction though I doubt that would happen this offseason as Terry trusts McDermott and may give him a longer leash than many, or even most, will like.Been a while since the word Culture has been used. It was overused and frankly was tired hearing it all the time.
Rightly or wrongly I will continue to note that McD took over a perfectly functional offense and turned it into a bottom 3 one his first two years (marginally better year 3 @ 24th in the league).
He is not an offensive mided coach and with Allen as the QB, that is not a good mix imo.
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14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
You haven't answered my question.
What current HC's are better than McDermott and why are they better?
LAC is 2-3 this year and 3rd in their division.
I don't care...... I watch the NFL every week and watch probably too much. However I don't do a deep dive into the coaches at all and sure I can't name 50% of them or know the new hot shots or best one's according to the experts. But I watch the Bills and frankly not overly enamored with McD.
Of course I'll be told how wrong I am, but he took a perfectly functioning offense his first year coaching an turned them into a bottom 3 offense the next 2 years (same QB too).
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1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
I think McDermott is vastly underrated around these parts and this whole talk of firing him because he can’t outduel likely the best qb of all time in the playoffs is an eerily similar setup to the bears firing lovie smith and promptly becoming an absolute dumpster fire. The guy is getting a ton out of all his defensive players to the point where virtually anyone can step in and play pretty well.
We were frequently very bad during the drought and helped out by the fact that two other teams in our division were even worse
this feels very ‘grass is greener to me’…look at the dolphins with their offensive mastermind head coach. When they face a playoff caliber opponent their offense struggles and their defense gets smoked and barring a miracle they lose. Dolphins are like 2-7 vs playoff teams in his tenure and those two wins they just barely squeaked by injury ravaged bills and ravens teams
Didn't they beat LAC this year (who were a playoff team last year). Like McD he made the playoffs his first year (and his QB missed huge chunks of time and the playoffs) with the same record and this year they look good.
You like McD, I get it, however I don't agree with it.
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1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:
Can you list all the current head coaches you think are better than McD and why you think that? Very few coaches around the league have had the success McD has had. Yes, some have had more success but not many has had as much success. Allen is a part of that sure, but if you list coaches that haven't had success because they don't have a QB then you don't really know what kind of success they would have if they did have one.
Again here we go. Is McD's success due to his coaching or Allen as the qb? I think he was too slow in developing Allen (again jmho) and he still isn't playing to his full potential.
Again some people here will die on the hill defending McD. I think he is a good coach, however he's done things on offense that are inexcusable imo (Peterman) and 13 seconds I can't forget (or forgive).
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8 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
Drew Brees, 2nd QB taken in his draft and really flourished in NO after getting injured on the Chargers.
Drew really was the other example, but already showed he was a good QB prior to the trade.
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Here at TSW the debate over McD and Allen and who is responsible for the Bills success is always a hot topic.
There are those who hold McD in mythical regard as he resurrected a 2-14 franchise and is the saviour. Yes hyperbole (never were they 2-14), because I have pointed out many times that Buffalo was seldom really bad during the 19 year drought, just never good enough.
I know I will hear just what bad shape the Bills were in due to salary cap and other issues when Rex left, but they were too a team vying for the playoffs his last year too.
Is McD a good coach, I think he is. Is he great, I don't think so and thus I am one to say his success is basically due to having Josh Allen as the QB.
I have also blamed McD for holding Allen back and we still have not seen what he is fully capable of.
This is the divide on TSW.... The chicken or the egg so to speak. Some think the Bills success is a 50/50 split, some may give McD more credit for the Bills and others say it is 80% due to Josh.
Now that brings me to the next part of the thread and we have been through all these highly drafted QB's and when a team hits the jackpot with one, they better cash in or else.
It then occurred to me that all the busts (or those that didn't live up to the hype) never really blossomed on another team. Yes some back-ups and fringe starting QB's have done well with a change of scenery and better coaches, but has ever a top pick (ie. first 15) flamed out and then became a star elsewhere?
Jared Goff maybe the closest and is the perfect example of what having a great OC means to a QB.
Anyone else?
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2 minutes ago, Simon said:
Mike McCarthy's intelligence and courage both resemble that of a chicken.
McDermott's do not.
Must be nice to look down on all the peons while you're dispensing your particular brand of wisdom.
Not at all, just came to the thread late and not wanting to read 9 pages, where many of the arguments (mine included) have been stated before.
Seeing you're in the pro-McD camp, not surprised you'd highlight my post.
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Oh no not a McD is the greatest coach ever not to make a Superbowl or
McD hasn't gotten the most out of this team and continues to not reach their potential.
At least since a poll as expected 70/30 split as most here worship McD (yes sarcastic use of the word worship).
And as expected when anyone questions McD the emoji's (reactions) are vomit, eye rolls, X's & angry
I think he's wasting Allen's best years and stunted his growth early (# never forget Peterman 😜). Oh and #13 seconds.😡
Not reading 9 pages of "are you for him or against him".
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2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
he came into giants game with the highest completion percentage in NFL.
maybe Bob barker had a point.
What does that have to do with not running? Yes he's completing a lot and he is accurate. The issue is he is barely running and not taking advantage when there are plays there with his feet.
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Through 6 games Josh has 22 rushes. He's been neutered.
Comps
Jackson 60
Hurts 63
Fields 47
Jones 38
Mahomes 29
Lawrence 33
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10 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
I think our problem is trying too hard to establish the run on our first possession (although the Giants game does counter that trend). We have 2 first downs on opening drives this season on rushes, and 1 of those was a Josh scramble.
I wonder how much of it is McDermott vs Dorsey. It seemed like there was friction between McD and Daboll when he was here in regards to running the ball. McD is old school and wants to establish the run - but not via designed QB runs. Daboll was ok with calling 20 pass plays in a row.
Opening drives this season by play
Jets
pass
pass
run
run
pass
punt
Raiders
run
run
pass
punt
Commanders
pass
run
scramble
run
pass
pass
pass
pass
run
pass
FG
Dolphins
run
pass
run
pass
run
run
pass
pass- TD
Jaguars
run
pass
pass
punt
Giants
pass
pass
pass
punt
The passes are almost all invariably very short of the 2-4 yard variety, thus to me no different then a run. Unless 6-8 yards+ down the field (or beyond the sticks) they mean very little to me.
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I hope we find out vs. Cincy. If they don't look competent against their next three opponents, there is huge concern.
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6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Oohhh you're so funny. Wow should take it on the road, with House.
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
We all WANT that. It just isn't realistic. This is not the AFC that Brady and Manning dominated for a decade and a half. You still just have to try and enjoy each week and the games. It's the climb.
But I agree the next 3 weeks isn't going to tell us much, one way or the other.
No not 17-0, but yes I expect to be at the same level as the Chiefs as the Bills have a qb that rivals Mahomes, better receivers (starting with Diggs) and two (should be) productive TE's.
We've seen too many posts and articles that the "window is closing". I don't believe it, but certainly expect coaching to be better and ensure they are right there.
No excuses (unless JA is injured).
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Again I've been through everything since OJ. The 4 SB appearances were great fun to witness and be part of. The down years not so much and usually hovering around .500 you yep ups and downs. Flutie and the playoffs were a rollercoaster (and the Rob Johnson debacle I'll never forget). Since then it was you never knew what you were getting week to week.
Now the Bills have a transcendent QB, and sorry can't be laissez-faire week to week. Got to win now, so stupid losses like the Jets and Jax (and let's not go through 2018-2022 losses) bother me more.
I want a NE style run (or KC now).
Just the way it is.
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3 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:
So here’s the problem with this all or nothing approach-if the Bills don’t dominate these 3 games people will be calling for players and coaches heads and saying things like “well they will be exposed if they play like this against (insert team here)” then at the same time will only look at wins and losses for chiefs/bengals/dolphins. Never mind the fact that the Chiefs didn’t look good last night, bengals haven’t looked great all year…you get the point.
Get the win no matter the score (again, the Chiefs have shown time and again winning ugly is still a win) and hopefully get these younger players involved
And I'll bet you on the Chiefs board, even though 5-1, many are not happy with their play to date.
As lousy as Cincy has been they're 1 game behind the Bills.
Lamar & the Ravens have looked very good at times, but a crucial loss last week may cost them down the road.
SF & Philly are undefeated and haven't had a hiccup yet (Philly vs. Commanders almost).
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1 hour ago, Long Suffering Fan said:
Good stuff, Chaos. I have a very similar take.
Right now, in the passing game, we can almost pick up 6-7 yards at will. The problem is, if you toss in a run for no game during a set of downs, then you have to be money on third down and all it takes is a dropped pass, a blown assignment by an olineman, etc. and you are punting. This is what happened against the jags. A lot of punting on 4th and less than 2 because of a dropped pass or a bad run earlier in the set of downs. It is also important to realize that not all run games are created equal. I'm not saying don't run. I'm saying that SF can run when they are behind the sticks, but we should only do that rarely.
And please stop that junky delayed, shotgun handoff to Cook.
With this offense it is 3 chances to gain 10 yards+, but Dorsey is experimenting with 3 plays to get 10 yards and don't like it at all.
I said this over and over after the Jaguars game that we gave away plays and weren't at all aggressive. The first two series were inept. Why after a 6 yard run do you throw a 2 yard pass to Diggs that was short of the first down and no chance of getting it. Then a dropped pass and punt.
Possession two, lined up and everyone knew a run and stuffed for -1 yards, followed by two 5 yard passes and half a yard short.
Completely unimaginative and again counterproductive.
Then later after a 9 yard pass play another -6 yard run. Just get the first down and establish some rhythm.
Thank you Dorsey.
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I've looked at the 5 weeks in totality and the positives and negatives. I've pointed out some concerns, because yes I think these Allen years are the Bills chance to win Superbowls.
Am I hypercritical about the HC? Maybe, but that doesn't take away from giving my opinions.
The next three games should be laughers and the Bills better go 3-0. Yes I want 300 yard passing games and a sharp Allen doing things we've missed to date this season.
The Defense I'd like to see get off the field.
Cincy could right the ship in the next three weeks and yes that will be a "bigger" test.
With high expectations I want to see 3 comfortable wins.
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Can only imagine the headlines Monday with Daboll and Tyrod in the mix. As they say they write themselves.
We could see a wounded animal like Denver vs. KC playing a decent game on defense and keeping it respectable and then some Fans/Posters here with a usual "Just Win Baby".
Tyrod has a above average game and again McD fans defending the wounded Defense.
Daboll dialing up some schemes and Allen a little confused and then the 50/50 back and forth whether it is Allen being reckless or Dorsey's bad play calling and offensive schemes.
Yep I want like the Eagle's last year (& SF right now) or KC when they were going full bore to just blowout the Giants (and all their inferior opponents), but that too won't tell me much.
6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
what did you learn about KC who struggled against Denver today?See above I answered it already.
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8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
What are you learning tonight? The Broncos have an elite defense holding KC to 3 points with 5:00 minutes left in the half?That KC continues to struggle scoring points regardless of opponents. Also the issues playing Thursday night.
Next 4 weeks will be more difficult for KC.
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You see the problem is the Giants & Pats are two of the worst offenses and Tyrod & Mc are no yardstick to measure the defense imo. Mayfield is a little better but TB is middle of the road at best and the Bills are home that week.
The offense I won't be surprised if Dorsey goes to the dinks and dunks and running and Bills control games they should blow-out opponents, but frankly it won't say a whole lot.
Of course if closer then need be, I too will worry.
No win imo.😜
1 hour ago, Dan said:This is such a defeatist attitude. The Bills have to blow out each team, and even then… it doesn’t mean anything. You’re setting up an impossible task…
beat every team and any team you deem not good, they should completely dominate. Otherwise, it’s all no good? Come on. The premise of this is all based in unrealistic expectations.
What did the Eagles do last year????? They were expected to be good, however went out and dominated. The Bills should do the same.
If the Bills Don’t Make it to the AFCCG, Should McDermott Be Fired?
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Casey is a perfect example. Come playoffs he crumpled. And now the Raptors too moved on from Nurse.
They were an average team, not bad in 2016. Heck outside wins/losses they were better in almost every aspect.