Happy Days Lois & Clark

Get a clue. There is a Salary cap.

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http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm This site is moving to: http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic/Wonderlic.htm (will automatically redirect in 3 seconds) please note these results represent research and generally come from reliable sources, i.e., Notes from NFL scouts. It is important to understand that scores cannot be "verified" since they are not released by the NFL, but rather leaked by teams or scouts. As such, the accuracy of all the scores could be considered questionable. averaged scores were changed to actual scores so everyone can see all scores. Scores are not listed chronologically. last updated Dec 13, 2004 data compiled by Mac Mirabile, UNC link to paper about a quarterback's transition from college to the NFL link to Mac's NCAA College football Rankings and Predictions for 2004 link to a paper about peer effects on quarterback's salary upcoming paper on the relationship between Wonderlic score and passing performance in college and the NFL Name Year College Wonderlic Actual Draft Order Manning, Eli 2004 Mississippi 39 1 (1st overall) Krenzel, Craig 2004 Ohio State 38 7 (148th overall) Losman, J.P. 2004 Tulane 31, 14 4 (22nd overall) Rivers, Philip 2004 NC State 30 2 (4th overall) Schaub, Matt 2004 Virginia 30 5 (90th overall) Mauck, Matt 2004 LSU 30 15 (225th overall) Lorenzen, Jared 2004 Kentucky 26 (free agent) Fife, Jason 2004 Oregon 26 (free agent) Roethlisberger, Ben 2004 Miami-OH 25 3 (11th overall) Harris, Josh 2004 Bowling Green 25 9 (187th overall) Van Pelt, Bradlee 2004 Colorado State 25 17 (250th overall) Navarre, John 2004 Michigan 24 12 (202nd overall) McCown, Luke 2004 La Tech 24, 20 6 (106th overall) Smoker, Jeff 2004 Michigan State 23 11 (201st overall) Symons, BJ 2004 Texas Tech 22 16 (248th overall) Hall, Andrew 2004 Delaware 20 8 (185th overall) Clausen, Casey 2004 Tennessee 20 (free agent) Pickett, Cody 2004 Washington 19 13 (217th overall) Rutherford, Rod 2004 Pittsburgh 17 (free agent) Sorgi, Jim 2004 Wisconsin 14 10 (193rd overall) Roberson, Ell 2004 Kansas State 11 (free agent) Henson, Drew 2003 Michigan 42 Adamson, Rob 2003 Mount Union 45, 32 Paus, Cory 2003 UCLA 30, 37 Cobb, Daniel 2003 Auburn 33 Ragone, Dave 2003 Louisville 31 Kingsbury, Kliff 2003 Texas Tech 31 Romo, Tony 2003 Eastern Illinois 30 Wood, Juston 2003 Portland State 32, 28 Farmer, Kirk 2003 Missouri 27, 32 Grossman, Rex 2003 Florida 29 Bollinger, Brooks 2003 Wisconsin 28 Boller, Kyle 2003 California 27 St. Pierre, Brian 2003 Boston College 27 Gesser, Jason 2003 Wash. State 27 Palmer , Carson 2003 USC 26 Leftwich, Byron 2003 Marshall 25 Dorsey, Ken 2003 Miami 25 Blankenship, Josh 2003 Eastern Wash. 24 Bryant, D. 2003 Duke 23 Thomas, Jason 2003 UNLV 19, 26 Simms, Chris 2003 Texas 22 Banks, Brad 2003 Iowa 13 Wallace, Seneca 2003 Iowa State 12 O'Sullivan, J.T. 2002 Calif.-Davis 35 Pate, Wes 2002 Stephen Austin 35 Kustok, Zak 2002 Northwestern 35 Harrington, Joey 2002 Oregon 32 Ramsey, Patrick 2002 Tulane 32 Kittner, Kurt 2002 Illinois 31 Nall, Craig 2002 Northwestern St. 31 McCown, Josh 2002 Sam Houston 30 Kennedy, Darnell 2002 Alabama State 30 Burford, Seth 2002 Cal Poly 28 Godsey, George 2002 Georgia Tech 28 Doman, Brandon 2002 BYU 27 Smith, Aaron 2002 Wagner 27 Smith, Jonathan 2002 Oregon State 27 Appelwhite, Major 2002 Texas 26 Fasani, Randy 2002 Stanford 25 Neill, David 2002 Nevada 25 Hill, Shaun 2002 Maryland 25 Carr, David 2002 Fresno State 24 Mitchell, Scott 2002 West. Wash. 24 Crouch, Eric * 2002 Nebraska 24 Zolman, Greg 2002 Vanderbilt 23 Curry, Ronald * 2002 North Carolina 22 Welsh, John 2002 Idaho 20 Davey, Rohan 2002 LSU 17 Randle El, Antwaan * 2002 Indiana 17 Dantzler, Woodrow * 2002 Clemson 17 Garrard, David 2002 East Carolina 14 Madkin, Wayne 2002 Miss. State 14 Rosenfels, Sage 2001 Iowa State 32 Palmer, Jesse 2001 Florida 32 Coleman, Justin 2001 Neb.-Kearney 31 Carter, Quincy 2001 Georgia 30 Heupel, Josh 2001 Oklahoma 30 Weinke, Chris 2001 Florida State 29 Griggs, Shane 2001 Idaho State 29 Brees, Drew 2001 Purdue 28 McMahon, Mike 2001 Rutgers 27 Booty, Josh 2001 LSU 27 Rivers, David 2001 West. Carolina 27 McKinley, Jason 2001 Houston 25 Tuiasosopo, Marques 2001 Washington 24 Hasselbeck, Tim 2001 Boston College 23 Hendricks, Bart 2001 Boise State 22 Leard, Ben 2001 Auburn 22 Vick, Michael 2001 Virginia Tech 20 Smith, Dylen 2001 Kansas 20 Beasley, Jonathan 2001 Kansas State 20 Casey, Rashard 2001 Penn State 20 Feeley, A.J. 2001 Oregon 19 Lemon, Cleo 2001 Ark. State 18 Kenner, Deontey 2001 Cincinnati 16 Jenkins, Oretege 2001 Arizona 14 Miller, Romaro 2001 Mississippi 11 Husak, Todd 2000 Stanford 39 Brady, Tom 2000 Michigan 33 Pennington, Chad 2000 Marshall 25 Redman, Chris 2000 Louisville 16 Martin, Tee 2000 Tennessee 11 Bulger, Marc 2000 West Virginia 29 Bulger's score has been verified by Howard Balzer, editor of USA Sports Weekly Maas, Jason 1999 Oregon 43 Daft, Kevin 1999 Calif.-Davis 32 McNown, Cade 1999 UCLA 28 Smith, Akili 1999 Oregon 37, 15 Many suspect Smith of cheating because he showed such improvement. King, Shaun 1999 Tulane 25 Huard, Brock 1999 Washington 25 Germaine, Joe 1999 Ohio State 25 Couch, Tim 1999 Kentucky 22 Culpepper, Daunte 1999 Central Fla. 18, 21, 15 Culpepper, who was administered the test three times, had a high of 21 and a low of 15. Because of his academic struggles even to gain admittance to a four-year institution, some teams think the 15 is more realistic. Brooks, Aaron 1999 Virginia 17 McNabb, Donovan 1999 Syracuse 16, 12 Bishop, Michael 1999 Kansas State 10 Griese, Brian 1998 Michigan 39 Hasselbeck, Matt 1998 Boston College 29 Banks, Tony 1996 Michigan State 26 Wachholtz, Kyle 1996 USC 12 Collins, Kerry 1995 Penn State 30 McNair, Steve 1995 Alcorn State 15 Stewart, Kordell 1995 Colorado 12 Dilfer, Trent 1994 Fresno State 22 Shuler, Heath 1994 Tennessee 16 Bledsoe, Drew 1993 Wash. State 37 Brunell, Mark 1993 Washington 22 Grbac, Elvis 1993 Michigan 16 Blake, Jeff 1992 East Carolina 17 Favre, Brett 1991 Southern Miss. 22 O'Donnell, Neil 1990 Maryland 13 George, Jeff 1990 Illinois 10 Aikman, Troy 1989 UCLA 29 Tolliver, Billy Joe 1989 Texas Tech 24 Testaverde, Vinny 1987 Miami 18

Bledsoe scored a 37 Marino scored a 16 S Young a 33

http://www.bendomenech.com/blog/archives/001444.html March 22, 2004 Wonderlic Welcome to Proctorville Iowa Home of the National Testing Center Controlling Your Destiny Since 1925 With the NFL Draft coming up ("no hon, there is no offseason"), it's time to take your Wonderlics again. It's just a fancy name for a fairly standard IQ test - the catch being that it's only 50 questions, but you have to complete it in 12 minutes. And the dumb jock stereotype doesn't fit here, either: the average NFL score is higher than the national average, according to Wonderlic, Inc. For the addicts, I've attached the scores below. WRs Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh - 18 Roy Williams, Texas - 17 Rashaun Woods, Oklahoma State - 21 Reggie Williams, Washington - 17 Lee Evans, Wisconsin - 27 Michael Clayton, LSU - 19 Michael Jenkins, Ohio State - 20 Devery Henderson, LSU - 17 Keary Colbert, Southern Cal - 21 Ernest Wilford, Virginia Tech - 19 Bernard Berrian, Fresno State - 20 QBs Eli Manning, Mississippi - 39 Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (OH) - 25 Philip Rivers, North Carolina State - 30 J.P. Losman, Tulane - 31 Cody Pickett, Washington - 19 Matt Schaub, Virginia - 30 John Navarre, Michigan - 24 Josh Harris, Bowling Green - 25 Casey Clausen, Tennessee - 20 Jeff Smoker, Michigan State - 23 Jason Fife, Oregon - 26 Matt Mauck, LSU - 30 Eli Roberson, Kansas State - 11 B.J. Symons, Texas Tech - 22 Jared Lorenzen, Kentucky - 28 Bradlee Van Pelt, Colorado State - 25 Rod Rutherford, Pittsburgh - 17 TEs Ben Watson, Georgia - 41 Kellen Winslow, Miami - 12 Ben Troupe, Florida - not listed Ben Utecht, Minnesota - 22 Ben Hartsock, Ohio State - 32 Jason Peters, Arkansas - 9 Jeff Dugan, Maryland - 24 Sean Ryan, Boston College - 35 Chris Cooley, Utah State - 32 Tim Euhus, Oregon State - 34 RBs Steven Jackson, Oregon State - 28 Kevin Jones, Virginia Tech - 15 Chris Perry, Michigan - 20 Greg Jones, Florida State - 25 Tatum Bell, Oklahoma State - 18 Julius Jones, Notre Dame - 16 Michael Turner, Northern Illinois - 35 Maurice Clarett, Ohio State - 20 Fred Russell, Iowa - 9 Mewelde Moore, Tulane - 19 Cedric Cobbs, Arkansas - 14 Jarrett Payton, Miami (FL) - 12 Guards Vernon Carey, Miami (FL) - 18 Chris Snee, Boston College - 19 Steve Peterman, LSU - 20 Justin Smiley, Alabama - 21 Sean Locklear, North Carolina State - 19 Adrien Clarke, Ohio State - 24 Shannon Snell, Florida - 28 Alan Reuber, Texas AM (T) - 24 Jacob Bell, Miami (OH) - 22 Anthonly Herrera, Tennessee - 23 Antonio Hall, Kentucky - 20 Tackles Robert Gallery, Iowa - 23 Shawns Andrews, Arkansas - 20 Kelly Butler, Purdue - 29 Nat Dorsey, Georgia Tech - 35 Jacob Rogers, Southern Cal - 29 Carlos Joseph, Miami (FL) - 7 Tony Pape, Michigan - 23 Mark Wilson, California - 30 Kirk Chambers, Stanford - 29 Max Starks, Florida (OG) - 35 Travelle Wharton, South Carolina - 12 Sean Bubin, Illinois - 24 Shane Olivea, Ohio State - 18 Brian Rimpf, East Carolina - 35 Adrian Jones, Kansas - 17 Stacey Andrews, Mississippi - 15 LBs D.J. Williams Miami (FL) - 21 Karlso Dansby, Auburn - 15 Daryl Smith, Georgia Tech - 13 Teddy Lehman, Oklahoma - 39 Dontarrious Thomas, Auburn - 24 Michael Boulware, Florida State - 24 Kendyll Pope, Florida State - 18 Keyaron Fox, Georgia Tech - 16 Demorrio Williams, Nebraska - 12 Courtney Watson, Notre Dame - 24 Bryan Hickman, Kansas State - 16 Jonathan Vilma, Miami (FL) - 23 Niko Koutouvides, Purdue - 28 Rod Davis, Southern Miss - 18 CBs DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech - 23 Chris Gamble, Ohio State - 9 Dunta Robinson, South Carolina - 13 Will Poole, Southern Cal - 14 Ahmad Carroll, Arkansas - 17 Derrick Strait, Oklahoma - 15 Ricardo Colclough, Tusculum - 11 Joey Thomas, Montana State - 19 Nathan Vasher, Texas - 13 Keiwan Ratliff, Florida - 18 Jeremy LeSueur, Michigan - 16 Keith Smith, McNeese State - 17 Vontez Duff, Notre Dame - 16 FS Sean Taylor, Miami (FL) - 10 Matt Ware, UCLA - 22 Stuart Schweigert, Purdue - 28 Jason Shivers, Arizona State - 14 Sean Jones, Georgia - 18 Brandon Everage, Oklahoma - 15 Will Allen, Ohio State - 13 DEs Will Smith, Ohio State - 23 Kenechi Udeze, Southern Cal - 18 Marquise Hill, LSU - 13 Antwan Odom, Alabama - 10 Darrion Scott, Ohio State - 12 Jason Babin, Western Michigan - 22 Isaac Hilton, Hampton - 23 Uyi Osunde, Connecticut - 21 Travis Laboy, Hawaii - 29 Shaun Phillips, Purdue - 17 Bo Schobel, TCU - 27 Andrew Shull, Kansas State - 21 Dave Ball, UCLA - 25 Bobby McCray, Florida - 14 Gabe Nyenhuis, Colorado - 7 DTs Tommie Harris, Oklahoma - 11 Vince Wilfork, Miami (FL) - 10 Marcus Tubbs, Texas - 21 Randy Starks, Maryland - 20 Darnell Dockett, Florida State - 17 Donnell Washington, Clemson - 8 Dwan Edwards, Oregon State - 29 Chad Lavalais, LSU - 10 Igor Olshansky, Oregon - 29 Isaac Sopoaga, Hawaii - 8 Matthias Askew, Michigan State - 10 Tank Johnson, Washington - 16 Darrell Campbell, Notre Dame - 21 Junior Siavii, Oregon - 15 Tim Anderson, Ohio State - 25 [Note that once again, it's the O-Linemen who are consistently the best - Why? Because they're also the most likely to have stayed in school for all four years.] Posted by Ben at March 22, 2004 08:09 PM

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/486189 J.P. Losman Height: 6-2 Weight: 217 Position: QB College: Tulane Drafted: Pick 22 of the 1st round by Buffalo Career Notes Two-time team captain who set the Tulane career record for lowest interception percentage in school history with a mark of 2.73 (27 INTs in 987 attempts) ... Finished his career ranked in the Green Wave all-time Top 10 in eighteen categories, including third in touchdown passes (60), completions (570) and passing efficiency (129.81) ... Also ranks in the Top 10 all-time in Conference USA in ten different passing and total offense records ... Originally began his career at UCLA, transferring to Tulane in 2000, where he served in a reserve role behind Patrick Ramsey (Washington Redskins) for two seasons ... Started 27 of 38 games during his career, completing 570 of 987 passes (57.7%) for 6754 yards, 60 touchdowns and only 27 interceptions ... Gained 241 yards with ten scores on 237 carries (1.0 avg) ... Gained 6995 yards in total offense, an average of 184.1 yards per game. Analysis Positives: Has wide shoulders with good muscle development, a tight stomach, and thick arms ... Very nimble and agile in his pass set-up, showing outstanding balance ... Throws a nice, tight spiral with a good spin and a short, quick release ... Has the arm strength to make all the throws (short, long, intermediate) ... Stands tall under pressure and shows good courage taking a hit rather than throwing into traffic ... Gets outstanding placement and accuracy on his short tosses, putting enough zip on the ball to fire away from the defender in tight coverage ... Knows how to put the ball on the receiver's outside shoulder when throwing long, hitting his target in stride ... Can slide and elude the pass rush and has the ability to throw on the move ... Does a very good job with his timing on the mid-range throws, as the receiver rarely has to work back to the ball ... Has the field vision and awareness to look off his primary target to find his second and third options ... Competitive player who can handle hard coaching. Negatives: Has the nimble feet to avoid the rush, but will take a sack rather than throw the ball away (holds on to the ball too long) ... Vocal type, but still learning what it takes to be a leader (has made steady strides though) ... Throws a nice, tight spiral, but needs to take a little zip off his short tosses ... Shows good judgement most of the time, but has been known to throw into traffic when he can not elude the rush. Injury Report Campus Agility Tests 4.8 in the 40-yard dash ... 370-pound bench press ... 460-pound squat ... 300-pound power clean ... 35-inch vertical jump ... 32-inch arm length ... 9 ¼-inch hands ... Right-handed ... 14/22 Wonderlic score. High School Attended Venice (Cal.) High, playing football for coach Angelo Gasca for three seasons ... Earned Parade All-American honors and was rated the No. 3 quarterback in the nation by Prep Star ... Also a member of the Dallas Morning News National 100. Personal Classical Studies major with a minor in Media Arts ... Selected to the Conference USA Commissioner's Honor Roll for the Fall of 2001 ... Son of Tricia and Greg Losman ... Born Jonathan Paul Losman on 3/12/81 ... Resides in Venice, California.

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As bad as Bledsoe looks , Garcia may be worse

The Pats DB coach is also a canidate for Defensive Coordinator

Great List Here's analysis of these layers from NFL draft Countdown C.J. Brooks Official Bio College: Maryland Height: 6-5 Position: Offensive Guard Weight: 311 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 5.19 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Durable player with a load of experience...Has played both guard and tackle with the Terps...Smart and aware...Quick, athletic player with good mobility...Nasty demeanor with a mean streak on the field...Has long arms and big hands...Once he locks on the defender is finished. Weaknesses: Could stand to add some weight, especially if he is inside at guard...Has to work on the little things...Not a great technician...Needs to get stronger, especially up top. Notes: First name is Clinton...Could project to tackle in the NFL...Has most of the tools you look for and what he lacks can be worked on and improved. Mike Nugent Official Bio College: Ohio St. Height: 5-10 Position: Kicker Weight: 180 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.7 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Very experienced having started four seasons for the Buckeyes...Has a strong leg for attempts 50+ yards and beyond...Has the nerves to make big, clutch kicks...Consistent and will go on long streaks without missing...Can also kickoff. Weaknesses: Doesn't have great size but there have been many kickers with slight frames...Can still fine tune and improve his mechanics and technique. Notes: Elite kicking prospect with day one potential...Actually a better prospect than Nate Kaeding, who was an early 3rd round pick in 2004...Was amazing as a senior and really improved his draft stock. Jerome Mathis Official Bio College: Hampton Height: 6-0 Position: Wide Receiver Weight: 180 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.41 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Has good size...Excellent speed...Has been very productive...Physical player and very tough...Has all the confidence in the world...A big play waiting to happen who is a threat to score everytime he gets his hands on the ball...Also a tremendous return man. Weaknesses: Played against a lower level of competition and the jump will require a lot of adjustment...Has some character questions that need to be answered...Needs to work on his hands...Still raw and will need to work hard and be developed to reach his full potential. Notes: Also a track All-American at Hampton...Great sleeper prospect with all the physical tools you look for as well as a lot of upside...Could surprise on Draft Day. Calvin Armstrong Official Bio College: Washington St. Height: 6-8 Position: Offensive Tackle Weight: 322 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.95 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Good size and frame...Athletic and moves well...Hard worker and team leader...Good footwork and agility...Good strength. Weaknesses: A bit of an underachiever...Lacks a mean streak and killer instinct...Plays too high...Inconsistent...Needs to use his hands better. Notes: Has the tools you look for but never developed in a dominating player...Could end up being a better pro than college player with the right coaching. Chauncey Stovall Official Bio College: Florida St. Height: 6-2 Position: Wide Receiver Weight: 216 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.70 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Really came on as a senior...Has very good size and a strong, sturdy build...Is very physical...Does all the little things like run good routes and block...Has good hands...Is reliable. Weaknesses: Lacks the speed you look for...Is not a deep threat...Won't run away from anyone after the catch...Opponents really focused on Thorpe last year which helped him out...Doesn't have a huge upside. Notes: Actually outperformed the more highly touted Crophonso Thorpe as a senior...Could be a good backup and possession receiver in the pros...Should be a nice pick at some point in day two. J.J. Arrington Official Bio College: California Height: 5-9 Position: Running Back Weight: 204 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.45 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Very productive and had a huge final season with the Bears...Has good speed and a burst...Always a threat to take the ball all the way to the house...Has good hands as a receiver out of the backfield...Runs hard, is tough and very competitive...Is versatile. Weaknesses: Undersized...Not very elusive in the open field...Needs to take better care of the football...Durability could be a concern at the next level...May have a limited upside in the pros due to his lack of size. Notes: Came through with a monster senior campaign and really put himself on the NFL map...Doesn't have the size you look for in a starting running back but could make it as a backup in the pros...Prototypcial 3rd down back. Diamond Ferri Official Bio College: Syracuse Height: 5-10 Position: Safety Weight: 215 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.63 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Came through with an excellent senior campaign and was one of the teams MVP's...Has a solid build...Very athletic...Physical...Team leader...Is a threat to score everytime he touches the ball...Still has some upside...Also an excellent special teams player. Weaknesses: Doesn't have great height...Speed is only average at best...Still raw as a defensive back and needs to work on his technique...Has had some off-field troubles in the past...Isn't a standout in coverage. Notes: Played tailback early in his career before moving to the secondary...Player with some potential who really improved as a senior...Could find a role for himself in the NFL as a backup and special teams ace. Stefan LeFors Official Bio College: Louisville Height: 6-0 Position: Quarterback Weight: 201 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.62 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Good athlete with excellent mobility to scramble and make things happen when the play breaks down...Very accurate passer with good timing and touch...Doesn't make many mistakes...Has all the intangibles you look for and is a team leader and field general...Has the "It" factor that all the great ones possess. Weaknesses: Vastly undersized in terms of a pro prospect...Arm strength is subpar and will become more of a problem at the next level...Durability could be a concern due to his size and style of play...Will need to be in the right system to even have a chance. Notes: Father, Mother and Brother are all deaf...Had an incredible senior season and will get a shot in the NFL but just doesn't have the physical tools the pros look for...Could develop into an excellent backup.

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Broncos | Pariani Named Offensive Coordinator at Syracuse - from www.KFFL.com Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:22 -0800 Denver Broncos tight ends coach Brian Pariani has accepted the offensive coordinator position with the Syracuse Orange, according to Andrew Mason of DenverBroncos.com.

Raiders | Henry on the Radar - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:13:22 -0800 Updating previous reports, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Oakland Raiders are interested in Buffalo Bills RB Travis Henry and like him a lot. However, they have concerns over his fumbling.

Arizona message board. I used thje name Jor-El Topic: RB solution 2005 grandpa black Hall of Famer Member # 3457 posted 01-21-2005 08:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The "QB 2005" is a good thread, and some post on the RB was one there as well, so it deserves it's own thread. Drafting a RB in one of the first two rounds would be smart. Smarter would be trading the #2 for Henry. Or we could get LaMont Jordan or S.A. from Seattle. Landing a solid FA would give us our picks and solve our RB problem. You decide, I'm all ears. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 4049 | From: Illinois | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged Plummer16 Member Member # 4770 posted 01-21-2005 09:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Either trade for Henry or sign Shaun. I want to use our first pick to get either a QB or a defensive player. -------------------- www.nflcrackdown.com If the Cardinals win a Super Bowl under Dennis Green, I will have his name tattooed on my as$. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 848 | From: Tucson, AZ | Registered: Aug 2004 | IP: Logged kjbad Hall of Famer Member # 3132 posted 01-21-2005 09:09 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We already used a #6 pick for Ham+BRICK, not bad IMHO...Shipp may bounce back strong, who knows...but we have to try for Alexander or Jordan. Derrick Blaylock isn't a bad third option, and Rowan may be able to steal him from KC. -------------------- "You think you know. But you don't know ... you'll never know." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3765 | From: SUN DEVIL Stadium | Registered: Dec 2003 | IP: Logged 82CardsGrad Pro-Bowler Member # 1976 posted 01-21-2005 09:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Plummer16: Either trade for Henry or sign Shaun. I want to use our first pick to get either a QB or a defensive player. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I may be missing something here but what QB do you believe is worth wasting a #1 pick on??? As for the RB situation, yes Shipp will be back but he is not a Jordan or Henry, and certainly not an Alexander. I would have no problem giving up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Jordan or Henry, or doing whatever possible to get Alexander... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1394 | From: Scottsdale | Registered: Mar 2003 | IP: Logged mahill3 Hall of Famer Member # 1818 posted 01-21-2005 11:40 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about the great Marcel Shipp? Ok, that was obviously a joke.......yeah I'd like to see what is available in free agency. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2502 | From: St. Louis | Registered: Feb 2003 | IP: Logged fitz11 Member Member # 5703 posted 01-22-2005 10:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- would love to see Alexander here, but chances are we will land Henry or Jordan, which isnt a bad thing. They are all good backs. At FB we will keep Ayanbedejo, and possibly trade Hodgins to a team for their RB or something. Not sure what we will do about him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 465 | From: Fort Wayne, Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004 | IP: Logged austintx Member Member # 5241 posted 01-22-2005 11:09 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We could trade Clement, Pace, and Wendell Bryant for some running back. Or maybe trade them for a bag of chips or pretzels. -------------------- #40 was a man who transcended this generation and will always be remembered. RIP PT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 119 | From: austin, texas | Registered: Oct 2004 | IP: Logged Jor-El Junior Member Member # 5856 posted 01-22-2005 11:56 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that Travis Henry would be an awesome pickup for the Cards In 2 seasons (2002-2003) he had 2794 yards rushing, 23 Td's, and 71 receptions. He did that with a very poor OL in Buffalo I heard that Zack Thomas said that Travis Henry is one of the toughest running backs he has gone against He is productive, young, experienced, & tough. I would definately trade our 2nd rounder for him -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 5 | Registered: Jan 2005 | IP: Logged fitz11 Member Member # 5703 posted 01-22-2005 12:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Jor-El: I think that Travis Henry would be an awesome pickup for the Cards In 2 seasons (2002-2003) he had 2794 yards rushing, 23 Td's, and 71 receptions. He did that with a very poor OL in Buffalo I heard that Zack Thomas said that Travis Henry is one of the toughest running backs he has gone against He is productive, young, experienced, & tough. I would definately trade our 2nd rounder for him -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, Miami is asking for a 2nd Round pick...and Miami doesn have that. So, our chances of getting him are that much better. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 465 | From: Fort Wayne, Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004 | IP: Logged fitz11 Member Member # 5703 posted 01-22-2005 12:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **CORRECTION** Buffallo is asking for a 2nd round pick and Miami doesnt have a Round 2 draft pick. Sorry about the mistake. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 465 | From: Fort Wayne, Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004 | IP: Logged martayjenkinsfan Member Member # 4620 posted 01-22-2005 12:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Plummer16: Either trade for Henry or sign Shaun. I want to use our first pick to get either a QB or a defensive player. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i was thinking same thing -------------------- HAVING MOSS WOULD REALLY OPEN UP OUR RUNNING GAME -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 396 | From: Glendale | Registered: May 2004 | IP: Logged cards_superbowl_bound Pro-Bowler Member # 1673 posted 01-22-2005 01:30 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Jor-El: I think that Travis Henry would be an awesome pickup for the Cards In 2 seasons (2002-2003) he had 2794 yards rushing, 23 Td's, and 71 receptions. He did that with a very poor OL in Buffalo I heard that Zack Thomas said that Travis Henry is one of the toughest running backs he has gone against He is productive, young, experienced, & tough. I would definately trade our 2nd rounder for him -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Trample the weak. Hurdle the dead. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1170 | From: scottsdale,az | Registered: Jan 2003 | IP: Logged ArizonaElvis Hall of Famer Member # 2050 posted 01-22-2005 01:32 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Screw the running back desperation talk. Shipp is our future, unless you're looking for a good backup for him!!! GO BIG RED!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2533 | From: St. Louis | Registered: Mar 2003 | IP: Logged fitz11 Member Member # 5703 posted 01-22-2005 02:08 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ArizonaElvis: Screw the running back desperation talk. Shipp is our future, unless you're looking for a good backup for him!!! GO BIG RED!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- your joking right? more like look for a RB because Shipp is our backup, and we should look for a starter!!! GO BIG RED!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 465 | From: Fort Wayne, Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004 | IP: Logged Loyal Card 17 Pro-Bowler Member # 2230 posted 01-22-2005 08:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what is all this talk about i'm always injuried jordan for rb. forget that. everyone wants a rb. go get the steal of the fa market. anthony "a-train" thomas. he would be the back to get. offensive rookie of the year and 3 thousand yard season. he the man at a smaller price. i gaurntee he will be making some other team very happy this upcoming season. remeber you heard it from me (loyal card 17) first. -------------------- starting qb for the cardinals salary league minium. let put this team where it belongs. on top. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1096 | Registered: Apr 2003 | IP: Logged kjbad Hall of Famer Member # 3132 posted 01-22-2005 08:10 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Loyal Card 17: what is all this talk about i'm always injuried jordan for rb. forget that. everyone wants a rb. go get the steal of the fa market. anthony "a-train" thomas. he would be the back to get. offensive rookie of the year and 3 thousand yard season. he the man at a smaller price. i gaurntee he will be making some other team very happy this upcoming season. remeber you heard it from me (loyal card 17) first. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would be happy with A-train... -------------------- "You think you know. But you don't know ... you'll never know." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3765 | From: SUN DEVIL Stadium | Registered: Dec 2003 | IP: Logged fitz11 Member Member # 5703 posted 01-22-2005 08:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey KJ out of curiosity who si the dude in your aviator? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 465 | From: Fort Wayne, Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004 | IP: Logged jiffy247 Junior Member Member # 5859 posted 01-22-2005 08:27 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- as a fan to my 2nd favorite team, i think you guys should think bout A-train... you might be pleased with the results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1 | Registered: Jan 2005 | IP: Logged cardiholic Member Member # 168 posted 01-22-2005 08:30 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would rather see Bennett than anyone. I just don't think it will happen. -------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 299 | From: Effort, PA.USA | Registered: Nov 2000 | IP: Logged kjbad Hall of Famer Member # 3132 posted 01-22-2005 09:48 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by fitz11: hey KJ out of curiosity who si the dude in your aviator? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Booker T from the WWE...this was back when he was in WCW. -------------------- "You think you know. But you don't know ... you'll never know." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 3765 | From: SUN DEVIL Stadium | Registered: Dec 2003 | IP: Logged DBACH1 Hall of Famer Member # 2785 posted 01-22-2005 09:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by jiffy247: as a fan to my 2nd favorite team, i think you guys should think bout A-train... you might be pleased with the results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You mean A-Train who couldnt even start over T. Jones who we got rid of a few years ago.... or A-Train Mike Alstott? -------------------- Owner/ Head Coach of the Phoenix Cards "My Mom said she learned how to swim when someone took her out in the lake and threw her off the boat. I said,'Mom, they weren't trying to teach you how to swim.'" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 4069 | From: St.Pete FL | Registered: Sep 2003 | IP: Logged DBACH1 Hall of Famer Member # 2785 posted 01-22-2005 09:55 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by DBACH1: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by jiffy247: as a fan to my 2nd favorite team, i think you guys should think bout A-train... you might be pleased with the results -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You mean A-Train who couldnt even start over T. Jones who we got rid of a few years ago.... or A-Train Mike Alstott? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But no on Anthony Thomas.... dont like him. Id rather stick with healthy Shipp

need more hype

I signed up as Jor-El on the cards message board at nfl.com

TRAVIS HENRY HAD 0 (ZERO) FUMBLES IN 2004 SEASOON

Who knows, maybe it could help

Sign up for message boards of other NFL teams & Hype up Travis Henry. The more Hype he gets thoughout the league the more in return we can get for him.

Henry did not fumble at all in 2005

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