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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

    With all due respect, that is NOT what I said Augie. But it’s clearly what you think I said. 

     

    It was something like that, but I’m not going looking for it. For what it’s worth, multiple people got the same impression, so why might that be? 

     

    EDIT: It was too easy. “Ugh. No …it’s not!  Think of this discussion like the deliberations we’d be having in the jury room. The question I’m asking you, my fellow jury member, is who should receive the proceeds from those damages? ” 

     

    Why should there be ANY question who should receive the funds? That was just one post from a 2 second secrecy. 

     

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    Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

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    7 hours ago, Bockeye said:

    Assuming our 2024 draft class is a complete wash and they don’t take a step forward as well as Kincaid not progressing from his 2024 injury, and absolutely none of our rookies contributing….I think the Philly fan is correct. 

     

    Why would you assume any of that? The first 3 guys in the 2024 draft got hurt (Keon and Carter showed flashes pre-injury), the 4th contributed and there is other talent being developed. The 2025 class has yet to play a down.  Did I miss the sarcasm font? 

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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:


    lol was there a “small town malpractice insurer” back then?

     

    anyway, the point stands.  MedMal insurers don’t like to part with their money—even in rural SC. Your father in law should have considered “going bare” in his practice environment. 
     

    it’s also true that patients with no legitimate claim struggle to find attorneys to accept or go forward with their case as they would recover no fee for all the unreliable hours.  This is why they have screeners.

     

    You never fail to meet expectations, I’ll give you that, sadly. 

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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:


    Insurers don’t settle cases that have zero merit.  Having been sued and having reviewed and testified as an expert witness in far more cases, an insurer will only settle if there are actual damages and they fear a jury award would be higher.  After both plaintiff and defendant experts weigh in on paper or deposition, they typically decide to settle or defend the case.  I’ve never seen a case where “nothing wrong happened” to warrant a settlement offer.  They are loathe to settle “nuisance cases”.  It’s not a good habit for them to get into for obvious reasons. 

     

    What decade did you arrive in rural SC? 

     

     

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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    51 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

    Of course it matters. My point (well one of many points) was, even in a "worst case scenario", both parties can come out of it, and fans can move on with their lives.

     

    Your point leaned heavily toward “just pay the girl” and move on, without a second glance. I just don’t know enough to accept that, even if you are trying to couch your position with “assumptions”. We don’t know either of these people. 

     

    My Father-in-law was a dentist forever in a small town. Not long before his retirement he had the first malpractice claim of his life filed against him. It was from a poor old lady who he had been caring for for decades. He did nothing wrong, and everybody knew it. The insurance company insisted that they had never had a claim from him before, so they were just going to settle. Because it was the easiest thing to do. He never got over that.

     

    I think both parties present at the time believe their version of events. I do not think either of them are “lying”, it’s just different perspectives. It’s very personal to them, and I’ll step back and hope they can both find a comfortable place to move on from. 

    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    18 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

    Bear with me. For the sake of discussion and as a thought exercise I'm going to lay out some stuff, but also make some assumptions. Doesnt matter if the assumptions are wrong as the point is to ultimately provide some perspective and answers...

     

    Some things we do know (and some comments in parenthesis):

    Max was 17 years old at the time of this event. (Most 17 yr olds are not great at impulse control to begin with)

    Fresh on campus as a highly sought after recruit for a D1 football team. (That hyped up confidence isnt helping the impulse control)

    There was drinking/drugs involved. (That never helps anyone's decision making or impulse control)

    He is certainly a personality. (But maybe not as charming as he thinks he is)

     

    Now lets just assume (here's the assumptions) everything this young lady alleges is true. Whether you are waiting for more facts to come out or not, for the sake of this post, lets say it all happened. Because frankly, as someone who has been a young, dumb college kid around a lot of athletes and partiers, I can absolutely see something like this happening. Heck, I've probably been 1-2 steps away from it myself...

     

    He didnt take no for an answer and got himself into her room. Not violently. He didnt kick the door down. Or threaten her with a gun or knife. But he did force himself into a place he wasnt invited.

    Some sexual stuff happened even though she told him "no". Again, nothing too violent. He didnt beat her. This is certainly no OJ, or Lawrence Taylor, or even Cornelius Bennett. But it was without her consent and he did it to her body.

     

    She filed reports immediately after. Too much "he said/she said" and not enough real evidence, so no charges. She then packs up her life and changes schools.

     

    This young lady had her agency taken from her, felt she had to upend her life and change schools (which is no small matter for regular students not getting millions in the transfer portal). Who knows how this threw her own life plans off track. Maybe the new school doesnt have as good of a program for her major. Maybe it costs her more. There are a million different ways this could affect someone in real life, both immediately and for years down the line.

     

    Now here we are a few years later. Max just signed a guaranteed $15M+ contract and, if he even has a half-decent first few years, will get another NFL contract when it is up.

     

    So we go to civil trial. She is looking for some sort of "justice" or at least some validation and fairness since she had a piece of her taken away that she can't get back, plus whatever BS she had to go through over such a stupid event.

     

    Give her $2M-5M. It's a small piece of what he is set to make in his life, and it's enough to set her up for the rest of her life and certainly amend any issues or missteps that this caused. Stash it away as retirement, can draw 2-3%/year and have an extra $75k/yr while not touching the principle.

     

    Does it give her her body back? No.

    Does it help put her life back on the track she likely envisioned the day her parents dropped her off at college and she had her whole future ahead of her? Yeah, I'd say most likely.


    So there is a the point of what she is doing and why.

     

    And here's my bottom line as a fan and even someone who has been an advocate for women in this thread... Even if he does settle or loses the civil trial, I'm not holding it against him. IMO, the offense, while not something I would ever want my son or any man I know to do, isnt so egregious that it makes us into moral hypocrites. Certainly not like many of the other offenses perpetrated by some of our favorite players.

     

    He was young, dumb, and made a mistake. She is a victim and deserves some satisfaction. It wouldnt take too much to make that right, and not have to ruin his future either.

     

    I hope justice truly prevails and these young adults go on to both live happy lives.

     

    Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

     

    Yes, it absolutely matters if your assumptions are right or wrong as you state a case. You appear to make a compelling argument about her life going off track, but let’s not pretend we have ever even met either of them.  I’ll try to remember that we have no idea what happened, why it happened or how it happened. 

     

    I could lay out a potentially compelling argument (based upon assumptions) to refute your “assumptions”, but that wouldn’t be fair to anyone, especially the people in the middle of this. 

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    Chase Claypool speaks out

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    7 minutes ago, boater said:

    Invite everyone who writes a flattering tweet to training camp. What could go wrong?

     

    Oh great! Now Miss Nolan’s third grade English students are going to be taking up roster spots following tremendous success on their class project. 

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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

    OK Augie 

    What would you do? I’ve stated what I would do. It’s a bit of a moral dilemma. 

     

    I’m not her and I wasn’t there, so I can’t answer.

     

    I see no moral dilemma here at all. Did you want the Goldman family to donate proceeds from the OJ civil suit to charity? Why, or why not? IF she were to win damages, I’d have zero problems with her spending that money to improve her life. SHE was the party found to be harmed in a court of law. 

     

    I don’t like going this far down a hypothetical road, so have a nice Sunday. 

     

     

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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

    Ugh. No …it’s not!  Think of this discussion like the deliberations we’d be having in the jury room. The question I’m asking you, my fellow jury member, is who should receive the proceeds from those damages? 

     

    I don’t know why this is even a question. The person who was harmed deserves to decide what to do with anything rewarded as a result. That is plain as day to me, and I don’t even see any gray area. 

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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

    Thanks Augie

    The reason I bring up the funds is because a civil trial is very different from a criminal one. In a criminal case, the convicted goes to prison. The victim gets essentially nothing other than the knowledge that the convicted is locked up and therefore can’t hurt anyone else for the term of their incarceration. However, in a civil case the remedy goes directly to the victim, not to society at large. It’s why, as I’m sure everyone can tell, I’m uncomfortable with these cases. I guess it’s why I’d be less uncomfortable if the plaintiff said they were going to donate the proceeds. 

     

    Yes, I think most of us know the difference between criminal and civil suits. That gesture might make some people feel better, but IF she was wronged I don’t see any reason to restrict what our expectations are for her use of any funds that come as a result. Maybe she wants to give it away, or pay for a graduate degree, or put a down payment on a house. She can give it to YOU for all I care. It should be entirely up to her, IF she was the person harmed. She can’t “un-do” that night. This is all she has by way of getting some “justice”, so I won’t tell her how to handle it if she were to win a verdict of some type. 

     

    I don’t like this whole line of discussion, because it’s mostly speculation.

     

    Have a nice Sunday! 

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    5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

    Aloha people

    I’ve been trying to move this discussion away from the particulars of a he said, she said scenario because as I’ve posted a few times now, none of us knows what actually happened in this incident. The process will obviously play itself out. 
     

    My conceptual question is whether people think that filing a civil suit is the appropriate remedy (‘justice’ as Sierra called it) for what allegedly happened here. I’m actually on the fence. On the one hand, a monetary settlement doesn’t seem particularly appropriate when the victim hasn’t been monetarily damaged. On the other hand I can understand the frustration of the alleged victim if all other avenues of redress have been (at least in her mind) exhausted. 
     

    It’s on that point that the timing comes into play. Is it appropriate, as a victim, to simply wait in the weeds and pounce when the defendant comes into money? How does their financial status bring you justice? Are you promising to donate all proceeds to a women’s shelter? If the true intent is to get back at the defendant couldn’t you have done more actual damage to the defendant by bringing this into court BEFORE he even got to this point? 
     

    I could go on, but I’m curious what people think. Believe me…I realize it’s hard to have such philosophical discussions on a message board. 

     

    As for the bold, I think she is genuine in her beliefs (as is he, imo) and that she is pursuing the only remedy left available to her. Why do you care what she does with the money? That’s not the point here at all, imo. But it would be foolish to file a civil suit ahead of him signing his contract. 

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    50 minutes ago, T master said:

    DUDE . I'm not on here all the time matter of fact I was in Canada for 3 weeks and I never went on this sight so how about y'all cutting me some freakin slack I don't love , eat, sleep on two Bills drive like apparently some here do .

     

    But god forbid I should miss 1 press conference over a month ago and in a situation that usually is a gold digger looking to make money and even in this one isn't it convenient that this is being brought up again AFTER he signed his contract JUST SAYING ...

     

    So please excuse me I'll try to engulf my being in the Bills so I don't make the same mistake again ...

     

    May I suggest you stop digging, and step away from the shovel. 

     

    It wasn’t just referenced in one obscure moment with the press, it has been a topic that has been discussed since the draft. But it’s just fine if you are not aware of it, there are no pop quizzes here. The problem is with sharing your accusatory views without bothering to become informed. Read/listen, then post tends to work better than posting negative stuff and then pleading ignorance, especially after being made aware that you are ill-informed. 

     

    Of course the civil suit will wait until after he signs his contract. If you were her attorney, or even just a concerned uncle with a functioning brain, that’s what you would advise, right? 

     

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    Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

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    2 hours ago, Billl said:

    It’s about as credible as an accusation can be without any concrete evidence.  She did everything that could possibly have been done in the immediate aftermath, and she has continued to speak out about it for years since then.  Doesn’t mean it happened, but this doesn’t sound like a money grab to me.

     

    I think they both have independent and honest versions in their minds of what happened, and they are not identical. This is tricky and messy stuff. I don’t think either party thinks they are lying. 

     

     

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    Baby Knox Coming December '25

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    2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

    Is "Action" taken?

     

    Pretty much anything goes these days. One buddy has a grandson named Cash. He started to question that, but his son said “Dad, leave it alone or his middle name is going to be Money.” 😂 

     

    Another friend has a grandson named Seven. They are expecting their second child, and I’m wondering if he will be named Eleven and they will go into the convenience store business together. 

    Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

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    On 7/2/2025 at 4:00 PM, BillnutinHouston said:

    I hope the TV camera angles are equal to or better than those at the Ralph.  I hate when the cameras are positioned too high.

     

    I hate when you’re sitting too low and they get in the way. It can be hard to see sometimes if you aren’t up a good bit. 

    7 minutes ago, PonyBoy said:

     

    My 1st thought..no wonder the wind was such a factor at the old Ralph.

     

    Reminds me why Syracuse gets so much snow. 

    The city is at the bottom of a bowl off the lake with West winds.

     

    The new one is so pronounced on high ground. Hopefully it's just cold with a small moon roof for snow. 

     

     

    Yes, apparently physics matters. 

    Bills/Ravens/Eagles Super Bowl Favorites

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    5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    Better defense and/or executing in the clutch (both on the field and coaching).

     

    As he said, it’s razor thin. It could be as simple as Benford getting knocked out of the game so early. We all watched the draft. The last few years we seem to be out of bodies on defense by the time the playoffs come around. Hopefully we have addressed that adequately. 

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