jeffismagic

I think in a few months I will start a Pegula thread because this is pretty interesting to talk about. For now, I will exit as this thread is about the Buffalo News and Whaley. If you want to hit me up in the Shoutbox I can provide multiple examples that show the Pegulas not making decisions based on patience.

2 data points is greater than zero.

Well, pencil me in for Dareus having a great year. I believe when he is used correctly and can attack the QB he is one of the top DT's in the NFL.

We're both guessing or extrapolating. The difference is I am using past performance of ownership as a guide and you and 26 are saying what you feel SHOULD happen. If these guys are good none of this will matter. If they lose right out of the gate I believe this will be a hot topic.

The Good Cop/Bad Cop act is a proven formula.

The Pegulas are paying a lot of people not to work for them. The length of the contracts they signed is meaningless. Last two coaches Pegulas hired got 2 years or less and they were fired.

If the new guys are worse than Rex and Rob Ryan they should be shown the door as quickly as possible. No reason to stay with them if they are losers. McDermott sold the Pegulas on winning this year. He brought back the veteran QB. It's on him to win now as he declined to rebuild.

Why should moves make sense? What long term vision? This is about getting the fans to buy in. They won't be able to sell fans on McD if he loses and his defense is no good.

What should happen and what does happen in Buffalo are two entirely different things. I believe they pull the plug on Beane/McD in January 2019 if they have two losing seasons to start.

Well, Beane and McD aren't going to get 5 years to goof around. If they do not secure a credible QB prospect after passing on guys in 2017 they will be shown the door by 2019.

And just when Whaley finally realizes the QB position is important they take away his power. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. The Bills are an extended Greek tragedy.

I agree with this. The real games will start soon and all the tea leaves can be discarded as we will have real games to digest.

It's all guessing but I do believe Whaley as GM would have broken the drought in 2015 or 2016 if he got Hue Jackson or Kyle Shanahan. We will never know and I was not a huge Whaley fan anyway. But for those who dismiss him as terrible I do think he got a raw deal with Rex forced on him.

A recent event that has puzzled me is the Jason Botterill hire by the Sabres and the Pegulas. It does not seem to match the Lafontaine, Ryan, and McDermott hires. On the surface it looks like a smart hire where they interviewed the top candidates and came out with a good hire. The only theory that I have is that the Bills chaos allowed the Sabres to not get the same "attention" the Bills were getting.

Are we about to go into the zone where Tyrod took a paycut because he loved Buffalo and he BILLIEVED? If you are making the case that the Buffalo News report by Carucci was wrong please point out what you believe was inaccurate and support it with other reporting or invalidate it using logical argument.

Good question. Maybe training camp? Or if they roll everyone in preseason and look like a well-oiled machine that would be a good sign. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they want. I personally have as much faith in monkeys throwing darts at a dartboard with names provided by the NFL as the process that was actually used. But the process can be terrible and still have a great result. I guess you can say that's the sliver of hope I have. I assumed most Buffalo fans were familiar with the process that ended up with Lafontaine, Ryan, and now McDermott.

My conclusions are based on the the extensive reports on the hiring process for all three individuals. It is the people who assume the Pegulas can't make mistakes because they are rich who are backing up a position not supported by the evidence.

The evidence that the Pegulas have taken a careful, well thought out approach is where? The Lafontaine, Rex Ryan, and Sean McDermott hiring all demonstrate a faulty process. The Whaley firing was the end result, not the Pegulas careful decision to change course.

The Sean McDermott hiring was reported on by Vic Carucci. Carucci obviously has a very good source close to the situation as other people I have talked to are in agreement with his timeline. What does business have to do with creating a winning football team? Rex Ryan was a SUCCESSFUL move for the Bills BUSINESS. The winning on the field would have been a nice bonus.

And EJ looked his best as a rookie! He got worse after 4 years of Bills "coaching".

I don't think EJ would have succeeded under any team but to have Nate Hackett as his OC and QB coach was so Billsy.

Names on a piece of paper. Do any of them know how to scout the QB position?

I just don't see any lessons learned by the Pegulas. The falling love with Lafontaine after meeting him out. Lafontaine hires Ted Nolan and Tim Murray (probably the best Pegula hire, not hired by them directly!) Lafontaine quits and leaves and they hire no guy to manage the Lafontaine role so that Murray can be the head of scouting and bring in players. Then they fire Murray because they wanted him to do more than what he was hired for! The falling in love with Rex Ryan when they listen to the money man Brandon and disregard the football GM's advice. Ryan plummets the team and Whaley is fired! The falling in love with Sean before ever meeting him. His name "jumps out at them" and he is on the yacht hanging out before the football guys ask him a single question. Pegulas are the problem.

Not only that, the Pegulas did not listen to Whaley when he gave them football advice on the type of coach they should hire. And the guy who steered them wrong is still there.

2 minute drills it is very little about the play calling. You have to be able to pass the ball when the other team KNOWS you are throwing. Tyrod struggles at the end of the game or in two minute drills. The reason is Tyrod is not a very good passer. In order for him to succeed he needs to be protected by a strong running game but the end of a game is where that crutch gets taken away and the results are not pretty.