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6 hours ago, Rigotz said:
Instead of wasting another high pick on running back, we could get a pretty decent, proven one in free agency.
I'm guessing it would cost maybe $5M and we would know what we're getting because the position has been devalued.
Options:
Chris Carson
Kenyan Drake
Todd Gurley
Carlos Hyde
Marlon Mack
Phillip Lindsay
Save the first round pick for a CB, DE, or someone else who isn't a dime a dozen.
I'd take Drake Mack or Lindsay in a heartbeat
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7 hours ago, Success said:
Good thread. I'm sure whatever I think is a few levels below Beane's thinking, but I don't think we're that far. Moss is a really good start, imo - it hurt us more than we think not to have him yesterday. He was starting to make a real impact, and he is so much better at the LOS than Singletary.
I want so badly for Singletary to work out, but it might be time to move on, in whatever form that takes. He's becoming consistent at all the things you don't want consistency in - getting 2 yards on most carries, and making mistakes. That game could have been so different if he holds on to that ball. Keeping your eye on the ball until it's caught is a RB 101 kind of thing.
I thought Yeldon was impressive last night in both the pass and run game, and it made me wonder why we didn't use him more all season. Where Singletary can't break the 1st tackle at the LOS, Yeldon consistently turned it into a few more yards.
I think most of the offseason work & draft has to be defense this year - but if they like a back in the 1st couple of rounds, they should make that a priority.
Im still waiting for a good reason for Yeldon to not get burn. We know he's the receiving back. He's out fastest back, straight line. He's also the biggest guy we have I dont get it. You could say he fumbles too much. They both had 1 this year where last year yeldon had 1 and Singletary had 4. OF COURSE Singletary had a bunch more carries but I honestly don't know what kept him out of pads this year
7 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:I think letting Morse walk and moving Feliciano to Center long term with Boettger and Ford would be an improvement running the ball. We also will look to bring in a back with speed.
While I agree with moving on from Morse i feel like this is where Spain is going to be missed. I thought he moved well for a big man and is more mobile than Ford. I saw a lot of pulling this year so I feel like they want to be able to move as opposed to being a mauler a la Ford.
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7 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
Hopefully they don't dedicate much in the way of resources to a "running game."
Run plays, except in very specific situations, are just a wasted down.
Run plays IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM are almost wasted downs. Smash the munchkin into the big people and take the 2 yards. He always has a "big" run or 2 but he doesn't have the homerun capability.
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You have to have change of pace. Shifty is cute but you need speed. Someone who can run away from people given time. See Jonathan Taylor Raheem Mostert Kenyan Drake. I don't want to pile on Singletary but you have Moss to do the exact same things he supposedly does. Yeldon has a lot of value but you have to have speed defenses respect. And I don't want to hear Christian Wade. You build an interior line that can pull nicely but have a rb who doesn't have the speed to get to the boundary and outrun folks in space. If you want to run power you need maulers but they just didn't do a good enough job of building a complimentary run unit
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52 minutes ago, Figster said:
Yeldon is basically another big WR coming out of the back field.
I feel like he is good enough IF he holds the ball
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1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:
I'd cut him Immediately. He's the definition of mediocre. Keep Moss and draft another. The coaches should apologize to Yeldon.
Love this
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1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:
McCoy in his prime or Lynch in his prime on this team would be an elite offense.. right now this offense just isn't dynamic enough to shoot it out with KC
Kamara would solve our RB issues. Then heavy OL DL in draft we are not doing the best in the trenches,,, especially defense
Too light in the butt... by design. McD likes this d line. Save for star this was his thing
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2 hours ago, Eastport bills said:
He's soft, and has lost confidence. We can't go into another year with him as a lead back. He can't break tackles and doesn't distinguish himself in the passing game. We need to draft a runner.
He wasn't the lead back at the end of the season. Well, moss seemed to usurp him. I would honestly play yeldon over him. He's a situation back. He makes us 1 dimensional.
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3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:
I don't care that we spent two 3rd rders, this backfield is not cutting it. A running game would make us exponentially stronger. Who's out there for FAs next year? 3rd and 2 is scarier tham 3rd and 7 with this team. Its gotta stop. Id rather they go get a premier guy, and be done with the position while our window is still open
The problem is they keep getting the same person. Short grinder with low speed. There is no change of pace there
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3 hours ago, gridirongold said:
why yeldon? he looks lost . im sure KC is looking out for 22
5ypc.
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He just isn't special. He had 4 more carries this year than last. For the most part. He is the same guy. He was a product of inflated ypc based on low carry count and a few broken plays. He isn't consistent and should be a change of pace not a feature
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7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
25 years that is all I need to respond with.
What? That makes it right?
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18 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
If you have listened to Bills you know Coach McD has full input to draft - he recommended Beane and they worked together well in Carolina where Beane asked DC for input there.
Maybe you need another HOTSEAT post this one on Beane.
Time for him to throw a TD pass.
Lol no look style!
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2 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:
One of those replays that mysteriously got lost. From what I saw White dragged Herbert down by the ankles from behind as Herbert was running away which is absolutely not the same as illegally hitting the QB low in the pocket.
I believe the call was on a helmet hit. If this is the same play im thinking of. It was someone at the ankles and then a second hit high
2 hours ago, MJS said:The QB was out of the pocket so hitting him low was not illegal. They called it on Oliver because he came in "late" after White had already taken him to the ground. I think it was a bad call, or at least quite ticky-tack. I think refs sometimes don't understand how hard it is to arrest your momentum in situations like that. I'm not sure how Oliver could have avoided it hitting the QB there.
But I didn't get a great look at it.
But the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on Allen and Moss were just head scratching.
I laughed at the Moss one. He threw the ball behind him blindly and hit the defender in the chest with it
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I cant... they do 2 separate things and Milano is just more important!
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4 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:
Like the way he finds holes.
Dislike his lack of breakaway speed.
Like his blocking.
Dislike his tendency to fumble.
Like the way he picks up yards in chunks.
Dislike that he can't seem to find the end zone.
Is he a legit starter?
Is he "just a guy"
Is he a victim of poor run blocking?
Enlighten me.
Hes ok for what we do. But he isn't a probowl player. I think his numbers are skewed but I will get flamed for that ChiRic... you bated me
Hes good for rb by committee
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THANK GOD FOR THE DEFENSE
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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Right. In spirit anyway. You don't need to spend a first on an RB.
But if the OL isn't holding up it's part of the bargain, nearly any RB isn't going to do all that well.
Seriously? "All stats prove he is about the same as he was last year in production"? Really?
To me, a guy who goes for 5.1 YPC (in all his stats) one year, which was third-best in the league that year and then ... 4.1 YPC (in all his stats), which put him at 28th best the next year has a pretty decent statistical argument that he isn't doing nearly as well the 2nd year.
Why are we stuck on stats? Once again... the original statement was he is who a lot of us thought he was. You can quote 5.1 a carry until you are blue in the face. He is... who he is. Hes not a world beater. There is a reason the bills used a 3rd rd pick this year on an identical back. I did not omit ANY stats. I just used them to show how you bloat a 5.1 a carry average. As a matter of fact, i brought up stats because the original person i was speaking with was saying that Singletary was averaging 5.1 with more carries a game. So I pull the disparity in games where Singletary ran more than 10 time versus where he ran less. I didnt just manufacture stats to crusade. As a matter of fact stats were not mentioned in the original statement.
If you like him thats fine. He's not the worst. But he is no Barry Sanders.
Singletary is a Rb2 who is going to average 4.1 - 4.5 a year. And won't be a bell cow. We can revisit in a few years
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On 11/22/2020 at 3:07 AM, Thurman#1 said:
That doesn't show he's not a 5.1 YPC back.
It shows that he gets yards the same way everyone does, in larger amounts sometimes and smaller amounts in others. Statistics tend to work in the bell curve. You get a few very small values, a few very large, and more towards the middle.
That's not Singletary. That's running backs, football statistics and in the end it's just the way the world works. Look at other RBs, you'll find that nearly all of them have a few games where they get higher stats than normal. So unless you're going to go around and cut off the top three games of every RB, don't do it to Singletary either. He is absolutely a 4.1 YPC guy this year and a 5.1 last year.
It would make just as much sense (none) to say that Singletary had two games below 3.0, so he's not really a 4.1 YPC guy, he's actually a 4.4 YPC guy. You say he "wasn't getting a consistent 5.1 a carry." I'd bet you won't find a single player in NFL history with more than 10 carries who consistently gets their average carry. It's a virtual statistical impossibility.
Should we say that Derrick Henry isn't really a 4.71 YPC guy because he had three games this year where he was over 5.4 and two when he was over 6.2? Sorry, this is the way stats work. You can't pull out the numbers you don't like, look only at the rest, and then think you've proven anything.
We will discuss after the season or whatever requisites are needed to show that he is in fact not a true number 1 back. My original statement is this is the guy we should have known him to be. And if you want to dismiss the fact he had 2 game 10 carries averaging over 13 yards during that stretch thats fine. But if you are expecting him to be that guy. You may be waiting a while. Long before I introduced stats or anything, the original statement is. He settled into who he really is. If you notice I used ALL stats. And all stats prove he is about the same as he was last year In production.
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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
OK, but what's your point there? He's had 7 out of 10 games this season where he's gone for an average of 3 ypc then 3 where he averaged over 5 ypc.
So that's still worse.
My point is he wasn't really a 5.1 ypc back last year either. He did his best work in big chunk plays he wasn't getting you a consistent 5.1 a carry. The same way he's not getting you a consistent 4.1 this year. Give him a few big chunk plays and he will be right up there at the same average. We can massage the numbers as you have definitely done research but the point is at this point he's on pace for 150 less yards in 12 games with less carries than he had last season. But he more than makes up for the void in the receiving game. Thats why I say he's par for the course. As a feature. Thats bound to happen. But I THINK you can agree, we need more back there
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On 11/15/2020 at 11:26 PM, Richard Noggin said:
At some point we need to consider that play-calling tendencies, in-game sequencing, might be to blame for some of the blown-up or walled-off runs.
Some of those unsuccessful plays seem dead on arrival, which cannot be blamed on the running back. (Of course, there are also examples where the RBs don't hit it up in there.)
Increasingly I'm seeing Daboll as a strong teacher and strategist, but a really inconsistent play-caller. He catches defenses off-guard at times, especially early in games. Tends to stall-out, though, as the game progresses and his counterparts can adjust to his usually brilliant gameplan. When something is working, he often goes to the well once too often.
Economists call it diminishing returns, I think.
Other times, like today's 2nd half, he seems to abandon important elements of his own offense. (Did the play-action and creativity diminish for a stretch leading up to that last TD drive? The QB draw, I recall, excited me because it wasn't just a traditional drop-back that I felt we'd been calling for a couple drives. Same thing happened last week when the offense was feeling the Seahawks blitz. They get stuck in a rut.)
Hell of a thought
Kudos
On 11/15/2020 at 11:29 PM, LABILLBACKER said:Neither RB is great but Moss is clearly the better back. He attacks the gaps better and doesn't go down easily like 26. And as we keep having this discussion Yeldon sits doing nothing. Unbelievable.
Lack of Yeldon is criminal. He plays his best game and you sit him. I swore they were gonna move him at the deadline.
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On 11/15/2020 at 11:13 PM, Gonzonzo said:
I didnt see a lot of holes to run AND the RB get hit once they get the ball, so I believe the problemes are in the OL.
Even after said that, I think Singletary and Moss need to hit the holes faster.
I honestly haven't seen the all 22 as my mind is trained to think they will randomly plant the last 34 secs of the game somewhere in the middle lol. But I can say that when I usually watch it, there usually, not always, but usually, are creases that open and close fast. I notice Winters is a putz but can pull and the left side with Ford and Dawkins is usually the go to. If you promise they won't manipulate were they put that ending ill try it again
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24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I disagree with you that it's not the line at all. But I'm not an expert. All I can tell you is what I saw on film against NE and what I saw on film against (say) Tenn or KC were very very different as far as the quality of OL play.
Singletary is averaging 4.1 ypc and 40 ypg on about 10 carries per game. Last year he averaged more carries per game - 12-13 - but he also averaged 5.1 ypc. I don't think that's on par.
The difference between 4.1 ypc and 5.1 ypc is usually regarded as significant. The top 10 or so backs in the league average >5 ypc. 4.1 ypc is down around 30th.
If you look at 2019 he only averaged 5 yds a carry 2 times when carrying the ball more than 10 times and then you have to factor in the final 2 games where he averaged 9.5 on 4 carries against the giants and 17.5 on 6 carries on the jets. In the remaining 8 games he went for about an average of 4.3 per carry.
What are your ideas to fix the Bills' running game for next year?
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Etienne is intriguing for sure. I didnt know when he was coming out
Moss has the power and is A STRONG build. He definitely could be a chris ivory type guy. That's a great change of pace for the speed guy that we dont have yet