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I do not think the general consensus supports the notion that Jones was running an option route on the last play. I also don't think Jones adjusted or should adjust his route, if it was supposed to go to the pylon, to go to the yard line. That would not make sense given situational football.
If you don't want to hear something, then don't listen. But I haven't harped on the issue of throwing guys open, even though it is clear TT has struggled with it.
If the definition of "throwing guys open" means a qb releases the ball before the WR makes his break then based on what I've seen TT rarely "throws guys open"
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Thanks for doing all this work OP, excellent analysis.
Given the experience and past of this O-line, it makes me think they haven't fully mastered Dennison's terminology/offense yet. Mistakes, mis-communication, and aren't adjusting fast enough yet.
Problem is, I think this is when O-linemen are most likely to get hurt as people are out of position making them vulnerable. Definitely got my fingers crossed things improve quickly.
Doesn't the first video show Glenn getting beat badly for a sack?
Stunts worked really well. At least the ones shown were a biut delayed as well. Not sure what the down and distance were. Seems like you beat stunts with a quick underneath passing game that negates the stunt because the ball is already out of the QB hands.
This offense needs more WR screens
The poster that made the point of constanlty changing schemes is dead on. Rex ruined a great defense. McD and and all new defensive backfield looks perfeclty capable so far. Now we have Dennison and McD possibly ruining a top 10 offense by trading the best WR and switching the run blocking.
My only pause is the Carolina defense is really good. This was a road game. Almost no one thought this game was going to be a win.
Denver will tell us a lot.
Thank you. It seems to me that a logical way to adjust to a frequently stunting defense would be to adjust to a zone pass blocking scheme. Each O lineman has a zone to cover and if the defender in front of him moves out of that zone then pass him on to the next guy in the zone over. I think that would neutralize a lot of the stunting . O Linemen get into trouble when they lock onto their guy and "drift out of their lane" so to speak.
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Love your posts. Thanks for sharing.
Interesting that you had Maholmes' arm strength rated a 3.5. Care to elaborate? I'd rate it a 4.5
Upon further review that arm strength grade for Mahomes was off
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Some people say coaching is overrated, I feel it's underrated. To me Dennison shares a big portion of the blame for a terrible game plan, play calling, no creativity, etc. Panthers have a very good defense, but we should of been able to put up 10-14 points easily with more creativity on offense. Thanks Rico!!!!
The Panthers were playing a lot of off coverage. I would have liked to see some bubble screens or short curls called to get them out of that off coverage. That may have opened the intermediate game some more
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If McDermott says that on Jones' route then I'll take his word on it.Thanks for these write ups. They're interesting.
Not sure I agree with you on some of these, like stepping up into the pocket to hit Clay. That pocket was collapsing, and you're assuming that he'd already seen Clay and knew he'd be open beyond the safeties. If he didn't see him at the exact right time, he wouldn't have had time to step up.
And on the last play, McDermott sort of admitted by implication that Jones screwed up - either ran the route incorrectly or failed to adjust to the ball. The implication was that Taylor threw it properly.
On the Clay play I would counter that TT can't afford to wait til Clay is clearly open before throwing it. He also runs into Peppers grasp. If he shuffles a half step up and throws he has enough room/time in that pocket there
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I look forward to these every week. Nice job, Bo.
I was hoping you'd include the wide shot of the final Jones drop/ TT miss. I disagree that it was thrown to the wrong shoulder. Other than that, it's clear that stunts have gotten the better of Wood over the past two weeks. Hopefully mills will rebound but hoping for a good week vs Von Miller is insane
I think they'll need to keep a tight end/rb on Miller's side to double him every passing down. Run right at him.. throw screens his way.. anything to keep him guessing. Mills can't handle speed rushers one on one
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That would be great if Peterman is at the least a good backup but we can hope for starter.
I think Trevor Simiean is Peterman's ceiling.. which is not bad
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Great breakdown Bocephuz your work is very much appreciated .
The Panthers being able to shut down the Bill's running game was a shock to me.
How are you at evaluating college QBs for the 2018 draft ?
we'll see. Here's how I rated the guys from 2017 class..
Nice work Bocephuz!
Notice on the first two plays you linked to (Tryod unforced errors) where Tyrod runs instead of staying in the pocket that extra second - Take note of the giant gaping running holes that open up in front of him on both those plays.
I am thinking that had everything to do with why he took off running there. Tyrod sometimes rips off big runs there. This time he didn't. Credit Carolina's fast closing speed with defensive end and linebacker.
I don't think Tyrod was skittish there - I think he was trying to make a play with his legs based on those wide holes - not trying to avoid phantom pressure.
Good point.. however. It's a matter of choices. He could go for "good" which is tucking and running and maybe getting 10 or 15 yards.. or .. "great" which is hang in there a half second and throw it to a receiver who is 20 yards downfield past the safeties for a TD
This is the frustrating thing with his running ability.
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Great write up. Thank you very much.
Tyrod needs to be more patient or aware. He did have opportunities.
That play with all 5 WR's moving to the middle was bizarre. No way it was drawn up like that.
Are you going to make an All-22 of our defense from this game? I would very much like to see how they looked.
thanks. have my hands full just getting out all 22 for o line/ qb. hopefully someone else will do that though
i know that he missed oleary on that one... but he did throw it to dimarco passed the sticks for what should have been a first.
Felt like he saw oleary but knew with pressure in his face he was going to have to loft that thing up there.
yeah.. it was just an example for him settling for "ok" instead of "more"
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Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not?
I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /
How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there. There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate)
Sufficient protection means that TT had time to hit his drop and had at least a second to scan the field.
DISCLAIMER (I am not a coach, I don't know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play)
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TOTAL PASS PLAYS: 35 - (Last week was 36)
LINE BREAKDOWNS: 7/35 or 20% ( last week was 7/36 or 19% ). In other words TT didn't really have a chance on 20% of his drop backs. Based on historical data the threshold for average O Line performance has been around a 20% breakdown rate.. so lets say the O Line was average again against the Panthers.
SUFFICIENT PROTECTION: 28/35 or 80% ( last week was 29/36 or 81%). In other words TT had a relatively clean pocket 80% of the time.
UNFORCED QB ERRORS: 7/35 or 20% ( last week was 4/36 or 11%). Based on my 2015/16 studies if the Bills' QBs commit 5 unforced QB errors or less during a game their odds of winning are solid. TT had 7 unforced errors by my count which is over the danger line.
BOTTOM LINE
CORDY GLENN – Cordy Glenn started the game but did not finish. He gave up one pressure I believe. Definitely not his old lock down self but passable.DION DAWKINS - Dawkins was beaten on an inside move in the 3rd quarter giving up a pressure.. but other than that was solid enough in pass protect
RICHIE INCOGNITO – Richie didn’t do so well figuring out stunts today. A rare down day for 64Q2 –9:16 – Incognito does not pick up stunting DE and TT has to check down
ERIC WOOD – Wood also appears to have not properly identified/blocked several stunts. He wasn’t physically beaten however.. which is saying something based on their DTs.
q3 9:03 - SACK - Wood doesn't pick up the stunt from the DE. Incognito is being distracted by Kuechly and doesn't help out. Mills also beaten to the outside.
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JOHN MILLER - Miller was better today. However he too appeared to have misplayed a stunt in q2 and he and Wood did not seem to be on the same page at all. He also had a blatant illegal hands to the face that wiped out a first down. Like Wood however.. he was not really physically beaten all day so that’s a step in the right direction
JORDAN MILLS – well.. the old Mills showed back up today. He was beaten to the outside multiple times and also appeared to have misplayed a stunt. Out of the 7 line breakdowns he was involved in 3.
O LINE PASS BLOCK GRADES
CORDY GLENN - C
DION DAWKINS – C
RICHIE INCOGNITO – C-
ERIC WOOD - C
JOHN MILLER – C
JORDAN MILLS – C-
TYROD ERRORS - Of the 7 Unforced Errors TT committed.. 3 of them came on the last drive. As shown below.. some of the not pulling the trigger was on him.. some wasn’t his faultTT BAILING ON PLAY TO EARLY - There were several rather clear examples where TT could have shuffle stepped into a pocket window and thrown but he tucked and ran a half sec too early. Overall I don’t feel as mad at TT as I did watching broadcast.. however.. he is still to blame for bailing on the play a few times as we shall see here.
Q1 1:09 – UNFORCED ERROR – tucking head down bailing too early. Had WR open deep over middle of field
Q3 13:45 – SACK – UNFORCED ERROR - If TT shuffle steps up into the small window on the right side.. trusts his eyes and sees there is no safety deep to double Clay and lets it go before he makes his break you likely have 6 points here. Instead.. TT puts his head down a half sec to early and takes a sack. This is the difference between a Pro Bowl QB and an average QB.
Here’s another view of this same play from the endzone. You can see Miller holding up his guy just long enough. TT has a nice throwing lane to take a quick step into to let it go to Clay. Unfortunately he gets skittish and tucks and runs
TT WISELY CHECKING DOWN OR RUNNING - Here are a few examples where TT was justified in tucking and running or checking down
q2 10;47 – GOOD SCRAMBLE Tolbert has decent block on LB . Incognito not sure who to help… should have helped Cordy. TT scrambles to get 1st downQ2:9:16 – GOOD CHECK DOWN - Incognito does not pick up stunting DE
BAD ROUTES? - There were several head scratchers where the routes looked all jumbled up. Here is an example below. Not much for TT to work with here on this playq2 1:51 - BAD PLAY DESIGN.. OR SOMEONE RAN WRONG ROUTE
--- I doubt Dennison drew it up this way. All 5 receivers to the intermediate middle.. hut. I think the slot receiver on the right likely ran the wrong route and probably was supposed to run an out route here to clear some space. TT turns his read right for first read.. doesn’t like what he sees… turns left.. no one open and then a cluster F where all receivers end up bunched up close to each other in the middle. Can’t fault TT for scrambling here.. can’t really fault the O Line eitherGAME SUMMARY
Typically when the Bills throw more than 30 times with TT at the helm they lose. Last week they bucked that trend. This week they reverted back to the norm. Upon further review the line played just about as well this week as they did against the Jets in pass protect. The Bills were very stout physically against the strong DTs of the Panthers. The RBs also generally did a good job of picking up blitzers. Carolina really didn’t blitz that much.. they didn’t need to. Their stunt game was strong. The O line was outwitted several times as the Panthers continually executed stunts, confusing the Bills linemen and causing pressure. CAR also appeared to be playing simple Cover 2 or Cover 4 mostly with the LBs excellent in coverage clogging up the middle pretty well. Poorly timed penalties wiped out a few first downs and killed what little rhythm they were starting ( Miller illegal hands to face, Holmes push off). As far as big plays go.. one of them was blown up by Dawkins giving up an inside pressure. That being said.. there were two examples I showed where TT could have hung in the pocket for a half sec more and if he would have kept his head up he could have had 2 big plays as there were open receivers past the safeties.
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SIGNIFICANT PLAYS
Q1 8:22 – Zay Jones drops curl route
Q1 1:09 – UNFORCED ERROR – Line does good job picking up the blitz but TT tucks and runs too early.. not seeing an open receiver deep behind the safeties
Q2 10:47 – Tolbert can’t hold block on LB, Incognito not sure who to block.. TT scrambles for 1st down
Q2 9:16 – Incognito does not pick up stunting DE and TT has to check down
Q2 2:02 – SACK – Miller and Mills don’t identify stunt.. Glenn loses his block. TT doesn’t have much of a chance
Q2 1:57 – John Miller grabs facemask.. penalty wipes out would be completion for 1st down
Q2 1:51 - cluster F of bad route running or possibly bad play design leads to TT scramble
Q3 13:16 – TT stands tall takes hit and completes over middle to Clay
q3 13:45 - SACK - unforced errorq3 12:46 - UNFORCED ERROR - TT has O'Leary open over middle on bootleg to the left but checks down to DiMarco
Q3 12:03 – UNFORCED ERROR - TT ball slips out of hand on blooper throw
q3 9:03 - SACK - Wood and Incognito don't pick up stunt ant TT sacked. Mills also beaten to the outside.
Q3 - 9:13 - Dawking beaten to the inside blows up planned deep throw to Holmes
q3 3:39 -UNFORCED ERROR - TT leads Zay Jones too much on out route
Q4 :53 – UNFORCED ERROR – TT has decent protection.. window to step into but tucks too early and does not see wide open Clay behind the safeties
Q4 :30- UNFORCED ERROR – TT throws to wrong shoulder.. Jones cannot make catch. Game over. -
Yep..i look at pass blocking only. Always interested in hearing what others saw in run block thoughIsn't that sort of flipped from what the right side of our line did last year?
Keep in mind Bocephuz does not analyze OL performance on run blocking plays.
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OK, I love the work, but I have a question.
You said there were 36 total passing plays, correct? That would imply 28 pass attempts, 2 sacks, and 6 scrambles. Right?
Did you count it out while watching?
I ask because kneel downs are usually counted as rushes. And Buffalo ended the game with three straight kneel downs from Taylor for -3 yards. Did the NFL not officially count those as rushes? On top of that, on the second to last drive, there were two designed runs for a total of 14 yards by Taylor. Those weren't passing plays.
I'm not trying to criticize. You might be aware if you've looked at some of my previous posts, but I am genuinely a believer that you should separate scrambles from designed runs. That scrambles should be factored into net passing yards the exact same way that sacks are.
I generally don't count the plays where he obviously has a called QB run like a bootleg.
As this is an offensive line anaylsis i do count snaps where he drops back to pass but scrambles.
Regarding the accuracy of my counts I would refer you to my paragraph 2 disclaimer
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This is where I am at too.
Yeah, and thats one of the reasons I have been so active in this thread and Shaws thread...finally a thread with real discussion and debate. Im cool with the opposing opinions, and even though I greatly disagree on the Clay play with a few people, I respect their opinion and approach to that opinion. Rather enjoyed real back and forth discussion on a topic here rather than the usual stream of non sense thats plagued topics on this board most the off season.
TBH, I am floored that a topic like the TT and Clay subject of the INT has NOT turned into a TT bashing session like any topic usually does around here. It actually stayed almost predominantly on analytics of just the play and not some TT sucks rants. Very refreshing to say the least
Let's aim to keep these that way. Encourage healthy debate/ be objective
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great post, thanks for the work you put into these articles.
Good to see PFF validated my Mills grade. Joe Buscaglia gave him a C .. not sure what he saw there
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Good stuff. Watched that first clay play a few times. I think Taylor slid left too many times. If he stays put after the first slide, then he most likely has a better view and unloads it quicker.
Overall I agree with the conclusion that TT did a lot of good things last Sunday.
That being said..I don't think he was looking for Clay first read on that INT. I think he was genuinely looking for Zay Jones on the Flag route first and when that wasn't there he went back to Clay late.
There was no need for him to hold off the safety near Jones by looking left on that play as the Safety was 15 yards away. He could have thrown it to Clay over the middle immediately when he made his break and Clay would have been wide open with no safety in front of him.
I think an experienced QB sees that a LB is on Clay and knows that is the matchup to look for. Hopefully TT will get there.
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So this is the thread where the intelligent posters dwell now. Good to see. The percentage of quality posts and posters on this board went downhill around the same time BBMB shut down. Maybe just a coincidence. So it's been refreshing to read through this. Thanks OP.
Agree with most that there were a lot of good signs with the passing game on Sunday. Would still like that threat of the deep ball just to keep the defenses honest. We'll see how they handle that going forward.
thanks.. I'll try and do one of these each week .. time permitting.
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I'm late, but this was a great little breakdown and observation. Well done!
Couple of things I'd like to mention:
- Not only did Taylor show signs of improvement in some areas as a passer (even if only one game), he has also shown positives in the mental aspect of the position. Two great examples were the throw away on 2nd down, and the slide near the end of the game. The throw away brought about a long 3rd down, but Taylor converted by scrambling for the sticks, which led to the Holmes TD on the following play. A throw away isn't a "positive" play, but it's not a "negative" play either, and you live to see another play. On the slide, Taylor had the awareness to make sure he picked up the 1st down before beginning his slide (that's where the ball is spotted), and not run out of bounds and stop the clock. The Bills ran off about another 90 seconds after that play, all but sealing the deal that late in a two score game.
Also, his leadership has been noticed and mentioned by players. Taylor has between his ears what some QBs with cannon arms desperately lack (Cutler).
Another thing; I said months ago that this offense would better suit Taylor, and while none of us truly knew exactly what type of offense we would see, we had a good idea. But many people disagreed and said the opposite. But if Sunday was any indication of what we can expect going forward, we should all feel comfortable with Taylor in this scheme. I still don't think we'll see big numbers from the WRs, but McCoy and the TEs may see a significant increase in their production in the passing game, balancing out the "lacking" WR numbers in a way. If that's what keeps the chains moving, who cares? But the fact that the Bills we're in shotgun so much tells me that the coaches are smart enough to not completely change the offense. There were many concepts that worked well over the last 2 years with Taylor, and just scrapping them in order to force the players to cater to scheme would be foolish. This allows the offense to have a more diverse arsenal, and gives the OC flexibility calling plays.
We'll still see a bunch of the Kubiak influenced offense at times, but the offense will probably use a strategy similar to modern defenses. Defenses are 4-3/3-4 in base scheme, but are in nickel more often than base. People tend to put too much emphasis on 4-3/3-4 than they should, based on that fact. It's usually nickel around 60%, base around 40%. Our offense will probably be similar to that idea, in that they'll not be in a traditional formation as often as people may have assumed would be the case.
That's all I wanted to add. Do you do these for the defense as well?
The Taylor side in bounds to keep the clock running was heady on his part. I think Clay stayed in bounds late to keep clock running at one point too. Attention to detail.. hopefully they'll be able to keep that attention to detail for 16 games.
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...IF you have the perseverance to wade through all of the PG-13 Yipping "experts" here (was same on BBMB), you come across someone in the vein of the OP, highly knowledgeable, football astute and one who provides a critical OBJECTIVE analysis.....damn, he's good...makes "wading" worthwhile IMO...........
thank you sir.. I aim to be objective
Great job Bocephuz , thank you especially for OL breakdown.
Very glad to hear Mills did well in this system , surprised Miller is having a hard time.
Fix RT but unfix RG . That should be easier to correct. I take back my harsh judgement of Castillo till we see more.
thanks also to billsfan905 , Made be feel better about Miller.
Count me surprised on Mills, Miller and Castillo as well. This was a good start.. we'll see how it plays out on the road against a recent Super Bowl contender this week.
The first video isn't on John Miller. He gives up quickly on the block because he doesn't want to risk a block in the back call if he stays on. On an outside zone play action Eric Wood should have given a punch with his right hand to the left shoulder of 99 on the first play while stepping with his left foot and "passing" him off to Miller. Miller wasn't in position to take over that block yet, which would technically still be in Wood's "zone".
If he takes a better angle and is a little quicker there then he wouldn't have been in the position to block in the back.
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....nitpicking?...not a chance.....much appreciated spot on and trained eye assessment IMO....nicely done....
It's the difference between good and great
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Just a nit I guess - I don't think anyone would argue that Keuchly and Davis are far better players than Lee and Davis at LB.
I really dislike PFF's OL and DL ratings - I think they're bogus. Both are positions where results are highly dependent upon the unit working as a whole, and very difficult to break down an individual's role.
Example, as I recall under PFF's ranking in 2013 and 2014, Wood sucked as a center while playing between Kraig Urbik and Doug Legursky or Kraig Urbik and Eric Pears.
The previous year, playing between Urbik and LeVitre, Wood was decent and 2015, playing between Incognito and Miller, he also magically improved. Huh.
That's a good point on the OL rankings for PFF. My OL grades are only on pass protect.. it's too hard for me to analyze run blocking. And I do take into account teamwork and how the line handles stunts and things like that. Wood did really look bad when his guards sucked a few years ago..he had to bail them out a lot and they were really sloppy picking up stunts.
PFF does give out run blocking grades as well I believe (not sure what their methodology is but..)
This explains why when we kept running to the right side we had very little success. It was painful to watch at times as we seemed to wanna force it behind miller only to watch it go for a yard or two at most.
I can't speak for Miller's run blocking.. my analysis was only on pass protect.
I will say anecdotally though that Miller seemed to be standing around lost on a few run plays based on the broadcast feed.
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I know. I just took after someone with 62 posts shown who crapped on TBD. Yes, we have people who really don't know their football, but we also have an astounding amount of strong football knowledge and people willing to put in effort and time to share with their fellow fans. This thread being Exhibit 1.
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what does CARs front 4 look like and how does it compare to the Jets? I suspect if our guys held up this well against a known good front in NYJ, we should probably give TT a fair amount of clean pockets next week
According to PFF rankings the D Line rankings are about the same.
JETS FRONT 4
MARTIN - 47.4
WILLIAMS -81.0
WILKERSON - 46.9
JENKINS - 78.9
PANTHERS FRONT 4
JOHNSON - 41.7
PEPPERS - 48.7
SHORT - 88.6
ADDISON - 80.4
The big difference are Carolina's LBs. I doubt the short/intermediate middle stuff will be as wide open as it was against the Jets. I think the WRs will have to play a bigger role and win some more one on one battles this week.
JETS LBS
Lee - 37.5
Davis - 35.2
PANTHERS LBS
Keuchly - 82.3
Davis - 85
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Finished reading it. Excellent breakdown! Did you see any plays with receivers running wide open that Tyrod missed? This is the prevailing narrative about Tyrod but I haven't seen it from any reviews of this game.
Buffalo News should have Bocephuz and Shaw66 as columnists. I'm not paying a monthly subscription fee to read Jerry Sullivan whine abour random crap. Crazy that content provided for free right here on TSW is better than the paid professionals.
Jerry Sullivan is awful.. If I see his name in the byline I skip over it. He adds no value. And the fact that they charge now? Please. There are so many other good sources (BillsWire, Buffalo Rumblings etc...) to get better informed Bills content.
As to your question.. in the past I would usually see several instances of TT not looking the way of open receivers.. or .. TT seeing them but not daring to pull the trigger. For this Jets game however.. I really didn't see that at all. On the several plays where they were clearly trying to focus on deeper routes the WRs really didn't have any separation
Amazing breakdown. Fantastic.
Looks like a guard is on the list for April 2018.
Miller's interviews really tell a lot, he's a very meek kind of person, very quiet and soft spoken. Tells a lot IMHO.
Thanks.
I'm really hoping Miller turns it around so we don't have to start at square 1 again. Regardless of Miller ..Incognito is getting older too so I hope they draft a guard in 1st 3 rounds next year
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Exactly, no one will ever agree with everything. I certainly enjoy reading peoples thoughts out opinions on things like this, so big kudos to the time it takes to do it all. And like I said, I rather enjoyed the write up, bang up job bud. The one thing I am just adamant about is Clay not getting this excuse that it was a bad pass because he has continually come up short in his time in Buffalo.
He is very talented and athletic, but his mental focus and lapses just frustrate me and at some point he needs to be held accountable. Too many times on key plays he runs a sloppy route, seems to dog it, drop a pass, or not even look for the ball despite running a passing route.
The last 2 years, there have been times where Clay was open and TT just didn't see him, and TT stated he's aware of that and talked to Clay about it. So I am hoping that some of those mental lapses came out of frustration by Clay and that an offense where TT looks for him more and the OC calls his number more will keep Clay more mentally engaged from play to play. Not that frustration is an acceptable excuse, because you need to give 100% all the time, but at least if that was a factor its possible to reduce it with a higher usage rate.
Clay had a pretty good day overall.. but to your point he did have a bad drop q2 :57
Nice analysis by the OP. Appreciate the work. One minor point: on the last item listed, I believe TT deliberately threw that at Mills feet. The play was not there. Good decision actually.
Perhaps.. but it was an awfully quick bail on the play if he didn't like what he saw.
WEEK 2 - AT CAR: ALL 22 REVIEW: O LINE/ QB UNFORCED ERRORS
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Bocephuz
from my opening statement:
Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not?
I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /
How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there. There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate)
Sufficient protection means that TT had time to hit his drop and had at least a second to scan the field.
DISCLAIMER (I am not a coach, I don't know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play)
What I mean by that is if its a 3 step drop.. he takes his 3 steps and has a second to scan the field. If its 5 step.. the same etc.. If it's shotgun he has time to set his feet and a second to scan the field.
Sufficient protection to me is that he has time to go through his primary read and then a secondary. "Sufficient" is the key word here. I don't have a set number of seconds as a benchmark