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13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Run game isn't pretty. I'll give you the 1040EZ right now: every run play I've looked at so far involves use of cut blocks, which if done right put defender and OLman on the turf. I see our OLmen on the turf right enough, but have yet to see a defender taken down. On one run play to RT, the opposite side defensive end made the tackle. Dawkins crossed in front of him, evidently assigned to pull, but whoever was supposed to block that guy totally whiffed it.
Crazy bad.
Question: on a play like 2ND & 4 AT BUF 31(08:43) where the all-22 lists it as a run play "J.Allen up the middle to BUF 25 for -6 yards (D.James)" do you score that as a run or as a pass? It was a fake handoff to Shady where the unblocked defender nailed Allen just afterwards, but it seems pretty obvious it was intended for a pass. How did you score that one? Derwin James crossed the formation with Thomas, hinting at man, but then he blitzed and came in unblocked. Who do you put that on?
yeah.. I saw Groy whiff on one of the run cut blocks. I miss the old Roman power man blocking.
Is it this play?
I think I scored that one as a pass attempt and a sack. Its pretty obvious to me they're trying to run PA there. I can't really put that one on Josh Allen. Logan Thomas whiffs on his block.. I have to believe Thomas' first job was to block his guy on this one and not run a route
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On 9/18/2018 at 6:06 PM, Gray Beard said:
Where’s @Bocephuz?
I always enjoyed his informal, non-expert, highly informative, complete, and easy to follow breakdowns of line play.
No sarcasm intended. I’m being serious.
13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Really good job, thanks.
Can you comment more on what you see as Allen's inaccurate throws when not under duress?
Mostly what I saw was when he was rolling out, he sometimes didn't re-set or re-set poorly. You might say he wasn't under duress in that sometimes he could have stepped up or, if he threw earlier thrown before the duress get there, but at the point of throw I saw some kind of duress.
The exception was those pesky short throws, where his accuracy is still hit and miss.
I'm actually having a whack at that now
Thanks.. .
Throws Not Under Duress - I think its a case by case thing. I think on the shorter roll out throws like with DeMarco and the one he missed to Murray he is overthinking and trying to take too much off the ball which is unnatural for him. EJ used to do that on a lot of throws. I'd have to rewatch to see if it was any particular technique on those rollout throws.. my instinct tells me it is nerves more than specific technique. A lot of other quarterbacks execute those throws from crazy arm angles/ awkard feet position just fine.
I think some of the other inaccurate intermediate throws are mostly due to him not gettng the ball out on time and in rhythm. He is waiting a beat to long and trying to rocket it in instead of anticipating and leading his receiver.
Interested to see the run game breakdown.
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1 hour ago, Big C said:
Appreciate the work. Hoping Allen shows some improvements in his second start. Happy to see all these reports that the line is doing fairly well.
yeah.. im sort of shocked that Mills is playing as well as he is but the tape don’t lie
1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:Appreciate this
Does the metric account account for run blocking as well or only pass blocking.
great question.. pass protection only. evaluating run blocking too confusing for me to attempt
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updated with content pasted into post...
flame away:)
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On 9/18/2018 at 6:06 PM, Gray Beard said:
Where’s @Bocephuz?
I always enjoyed his informal, non-expert, highly informative, complete, and easy to follow breakdowns of line play.
No sarcasm intended. I’m being serious.
Bocephuz is back
https://buildingherd.com/2018/09/21/bills-la-wk-2-all-22-oline-qb-unforced-error-analysis/
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Article on unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not?
I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /
How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there). There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate.I've also posted this on buildingherd.com.. see link below
https://buildingherd.com/2018/09/21/bills-la-wk-2-all-22-oline-qb-unforced-error-analysis
As always.. let's hear your comments/thoughts.
Bills/LA Wk 2: All-22 OLine/Qb Unforced Error Analysis
Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not?
I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there). There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate.
Sufficient protection means that Josh Allen had time to hit his drop and had at least a second to scan the field.
DISCLAIMER (I am not a coach, I don’t know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play)
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TOTAL PASS PLAYS: 40
LINE BREAKDOWNS: 8/40 snaps – 20% In other words Allen didn’t really have a chance on 20% of his drop backs. Based on historical data the threshold for average O Line performance has been around a 20% breakdown rate.. so lets say the O Line play (including TEs../RBs more on that later) was right at average against LA in pass protect.
SUFFICIENT PROTECTION: 32- 40 snaps or 80%. In other words QB had a relatively clean pocket 80% of the time.
UNFORCED QB ERRORS: 10/40 snaps or 25%. Based on my 2015/16 studies if the Bills’ QBs commit 5 unforced QB errors or less during a game their odds of winning are very favorable. Josh Allen had 10 unforced errors by my count. This is well above the danger zone. As we will see later.. some of these unf errors were not picking up blitzes and throwing to hot routes. Some were just plain off target throws where he was not under duress.
O LINE PERFORMANCE
DION DAWKINS – had a really solid day. By my observation there were no obvious pressures given up by DD.
VLAD DUCASSE – I’ve been hard on Vlad the past few months but he was OUTSTANDING in pass protect against LA. To my eye he did not give up any pressures.
RYAN GROY– Groy was much better this week than against Ravens. However.. he had one obviously bad play where he did not sustain his block .. which indirectly led to an Allen INT
JOHN MILLER – Miller had a bit of a rough start (giving up a sack early as shown below) but he rallied to play much better as the game went on.
q1:11:32 -Early in the first quarter #76 is slow to pick up the safety blitz resulting in a sack which Allen had no chance to avoid
JORDAN MILLS – Mills was generally solid against a very tough matchup against Melvin Ingram. He did a good job of handling Ingram on wide speed rushes which is usually his Achilles’ heel. On the downside, he did have an inexcusable false start penalty in Q3 and was also bull rushed into Allen later in the game.
O LINE PASS BLOCK GRADES
DION DAWKINS – B
VLAD DUCASSE– A
RYAN GROY – B-
JOHN MILLER – B-
JORDAN MILLS – B-TE AND RB BLOCKING ISSUES-
While the O Line held up well enough.. it was another story for the Tight Ends and RBs in pass protect. Both Logan Thomas and Marcus Murphy had moments where they were exposed in pass protect
q1: 8:43 – Logan Thomas lines up a little to wide after going into motion and whiffs on blitzer
q1: 1:17 – Marcus Murphy shows poor technique and is overpowered by the blizting CB
JOSH ALLEN UNFORCED ERRORS – By my count JA had 10 unforced errors. Several of these were inaccurate throws where he was not under duress. Hopefully this was due more to nerves than an innate innacuracy problem. Several other unforced errors were situations where the o line picked up the pass rushers but #17 didn’t appear to account for the unblocked blitzer and therefore didn’t hit his hot route. There was one instance where he could have stepped up into the pocket to avoid the rush but instead bailed left and into the arms of a DE. The good news is.. it appears that Allen’s natural instinct is to shuffle up into the pocket to avoid a rush. The really good news is that he climbed the pocket for his two best throws at the end of the game in a pressured situation.
- NOT GOING THROUGH HIS READS
Q1 3:44 – Allen does a nice PA fake here freezing second level defenders, he has time is looking deep but doesn’t go all the way through his progressions as he does not see Charles Clay wide open to his left
- -NOT CLIMBING THE POCKET
Q2: 15:00 – The pocket closes in on Allen .. however.. he has a window in front of him to climb the pocket to avoid pressure. Unfortunately he bails out to the left into the waiting arms of the DE
- CLIMBING THE POCKET
Q4: 1:22 – Here is a clip showing Allen climbing the pocket and finding success. This one should give Bills fans butterflies…
SACK BLAME
- The O Line/ TEs RBs appeared to be accountable for 2/6 of the sacks
- Allen appeared to be accountable for 3/6 of the sacks
- The Chargers 1/6 : They had one blitz late in the game that was a masterpiece where neither Allen nor the O Line appeared to be at blame
GAME SUMMARY
The O Line was definetly not the weak link against the Chargers. This is especially impressive as the Chargers blitzed on almost every passing down up until the 4th quarter. For the most part the O Line appeared to pick up the right man on these blitzes. There were multiple times where there was an extra defender that a lineman or RB/TE were not around to pick up and these are the plays where the QB is accountable for that free blitzer. Hopefully Allen will learn to recognize these situations and either audible out.. or hit a hot route to burn these blitzes. As these are high level skills that take a while to develop for most QBs you can expect the Vikings and other future opponents to bring the kitchen sink against #17 until he can show he can counter it. Allen was effective several times running to counter the blitz.. however.. that will not always be an option for him in those free blitzer situations.
I also did not see any holding calls on the Bills O Lineman in pass protect. which is a huge step forward from the Ravens game. That being said Mills and Dawkins had inexcusable False Start penalties. All in all though.. the O Line did a great job cleaning up the dirty laundry compared to week 1.
A more obvious weak link were the inexperienced players TE Thomas and RB Murphy who both struggled to effectively pass protect. Again.. with young players comes growing pains but if these two continue to play poorly in pass protect it will be hard for Daboll to trust them and put them in the lineup going forward.
So.. in order for the Bills to make progress on offense they need to improve in several areas
- Allen needs to relax and reduce inaccurate throws when not under duress
- TEs/RBs need to step up their game in pass protect
- Allen needs to get better at recognizing unaccounted for blitzers and find a way to make positive play out of situations
- Allen needs to continue to climb the pocket when he can instead of bailing left or right. With his height he should be able to do the Tom Brady shuffle and stay in the pocket more.
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SIGNIFICANT PLAYS
q1 11:32 – SACK – John Miller late getting to S blitz that appeared to be his responsibility
q1 8:43- SACK – Logan Thomas whiffs on blocking his assignment
q1 3:44- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen nice PA fake, has time , doesn’t see open Charles Clay
Q1 1:23- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen rolls left and overthrows easy short pass to Murphy
Q1 1:17- Marcus Murphy overpowered by CB blitz forcing Allen to throw early
q2 15:00 – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen has a window to climb the pocket to avoid pass rush but bails left into arms of DE
q2 1:05 – FALSE START – Dion Dawkins
q2 :59- SACK – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen does not account for unblocked #54 .. should have likely gone hot route to McCoy in flat.. takes sack
q3: 12:35- Allen does excellent job running to avoid the free blitzer picking up solid gain instead of taking sack
q3 11:15- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen rolls right in red zone, has Clay open on out route in end zone but hesitates and throws too late incomplete
q3 6:58- SACK – UNFORCED ERROR — Allen does not see blitz coming.. should’ve have likely identified it and thrown hot route to Jones in flat
q3 5:45 – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen has time but delivers inaccurate throw to Holmes on sideline behind him which is dropped
q3 2:54- UNFORCED ERROR – Groy can’t hold his block and his man flushes Allen out of the pocket. Allen runs right .. should’ve thrown ball away OOB but forces it and throws INT
q4 7:11 – FALSE START – Jordan Mills
q4 -7:11 – UNFORCED ERROR – INT – Allen has time in his own end zone, noone open, should’ve thrown it away but forces pass that is intercepted
q4 2:58 – Mills bullrushed into Allen forcing him out of pocket
q4 1:55 – SACK – Masterfully disguised blitz by LA.. can’t really blame this on O Line or Allen
q4: 1:22- Allen climbs dirty pocket and throws 25 yd strike into tight window to Holmes
q4 – Allen again hangs in pocket and throws bullet to Benjamin in end zone for TD
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30 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:
Very nice, thank you. He's one of those guys who just loves hitting people on the football field.
thanks . it was fun to watch guys like him who have a mean streak
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1 minute ago, the skycap said:
What was your opinion on DeBeer performance? Although it was against 3rd string, he seemed to stonewall all pass rushers he faced.
i didn’t watch DeBeer specifically.. maybe if i rewatch again ill keep an eye on him
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11 minutes ago, Bills757 said:14 minutes ago, mykidsdad said:
Good read. THX.
9 minutes ago, SJDK said:I couldn’t believe I was noticing the guard play from a backup or at all really. The only time that has happened recently is Incogneto for me. Definitely never had Vlad or Miller stand out in a good way. Teller is a stud
It was definitely an impressive debut.. hopefully he can build on it
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11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
I kept saying in the GDT that Teller was smacking people around
Looks like a more detailed review confirmed that he was as good as it seemed
he was borderline dominant.. deserves reps against ones no doubt
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32 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
I noticed him at one of the early TC sessions. Initially, I didn’t even know his #, but I kept noticing 75 out there just destroying defensive linemen/linebackers. He’s just a big meanie. Actually reminds me of Ritchie Incognito...
Edit: Wanted to add that Wyatt was a super nice and funny guy as he made the rounds signing autographs and chatting with fans for about 45 minutes after practice. Even gave away his gloves, and climbed into the stands to sign and take a pic with a disabled man. I wish him the best.
good to know he is a cool guy as well. After watching his tape he was blowing up guys left and right... he definitely has a Richie kind of edge to his game.
Here's one of the GIFs from my article showing him knocking a DE on his ass
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My breakdown of Wyatt Teller 2nd quarter Car film
- summary: - Based on this performance he should get some reps with the ones sooner rather than later
Anyone else have an opinion on Teller?
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I focused on either Ducasse and Miller on every snap they were in (because Im a dork and love watching o line play I guess). Miller was generally solid in both pass protect and run block.. nothing really stood out either way. More often than not .. Ducasse was off balance or or losing his one on one battle. Ducasse also seemed to get a lot of double team help from Dawkins.
Once the second unit came in I focused mainly on Wyatt Teller. As a caveat.. yes he was playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers .. however... more often than not he DOMINATED his assignment. There was one pass play in the first half where he literally threw the DE aside on his butt like he was throwing a hay bale. There were several times where they had Teller pulling on run plays and not only did he get to his spot quickly.. but he popped the defender nicely to seal off the hole. I also recall a short yardage play where they called a run to his hole and he got some nice movement to pave the way for a first down.
I don't see how the coaching staff could not reward him with several reps with the ones this week during practice and hopefully in the Cleveland game. Pretty cool to see a rookie dominate .. even if it was 2nd and 3rd stringers.
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3 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:
The Californian Cannon?
Farmer Josh?
The Melon Baller?
Lol, I came up with that one on my own. Great minds think alike...
I l ike The California Cannon ... or California Cowboy... or The Cowboy Cannon
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https://buildingherd.com/2018/05/10/dez-bryant-buffalo-bills-dallas-cowboys/
Dez or Maclin.. if you had to choose one who?
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12 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:
that depends on witch games he is basing this on. If he is looking at each of there 3 best games witch I believe he did, Then the sample size is fine.
Obviously one does this cause you want to figure out what each players ceiling is.
i chose random games. i general i tried to watch 2 against top competition and 1 against not so top
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8 hours ago, Elite Poster said:
How did you decide the top 6? I would have Lamar before Falk.
see my chart for specifics. The 3 games I watched for Jackson were very underwhelming as far as passing goes
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8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
.....why has the Falk kid virtually disappeared from the radar?.......moving up would require some significant draft capital......what is your opinion if McBeane takes Rudolph at 21/22?....
idk what happened to Falk. i remember being impressed watching his 2016 tape and this year big dropoff. he’s gunshy for some reason
8 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:We would have to give up everything to move up to get the QB that we like,I don't see Beanie doing that.
The more I watch Luke Falk the more I like him, he may take a year or 2 to develop but with his accuracy and anticipation I think he could become a very good QB. His film study is top notch, this kids whole life is a devotion to football. With good coaching I can see Luke Falk being a good starting QB.
Falk is really good throwing across the middle.. there’s something good buried there.. it may be buried too deep though
7 hours ago, Mat68 said:I commend the work and effort. Scoring Baker the same for arm strength that you score Allen however, leaves me questioning your opinion on everything else. That is really an apparent difference that jumps out at you.
Mayfield had no trouble getting to any part of the field with zip. Allen of course has stronger arm but Allen is a freak
6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Great job Bocephuz!
Two questions on Mayfield and Rosen: do either of them slide?
hah... not often. they both get a little reckless running
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1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:
3 games is a pretty low sample size.
Darnold has less experience than the others, so he's less polished.
Darnold could be great, or could be another USC flameout.
3 games is all i have time for ..
Darnold has great potential no doubt... IMO he needs a lot of coaching up to get to be an above average NFL qb. Whereas Mayfield and Rosen are much more polished
2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:Maybe it's just the height comparison but Baker Mayfield really reminds me of Drew Brees
i can see that... much more mobile though
3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:....great work......just curious........what surprises did you encounter as a result of the in-depth analysis that you weren't aware of?..........any key results that you may have anticipated including final ranking after work was complete?....thanks again...........
surprises - Mayfield’s height was almost a non factor. Very few if any batted down balls
- Allen is much more mobile than what I expected for a guy that big.
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- POSITIVES -
- excellent athlete, surprisingly good runner, strong arm, good in red zone
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NEGATIVES
- sloppy footwork.. mechanics.. relies on natural arm strenght too much
- makes several poor decisions per game. Saw multiple bad INTS.. trying to make too much happen ( Rosen and Mayfield had very few poor decisions)
- At times he throws on time and rhythm .... but not anywhere close to as smooth as Mayfield and Rosen
7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:Why isn’t Darnold a top 10 pick ? What’s he lacking from your research?
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- excellent athlete, surprisingly good runner, strong arm, good in red zone
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- sloppy footwork.. mechanics.. relies on natural arm strenght too much
- makes several poor decisions per game. Saw multiple bad INTS.. trying to make too much happen ( Rosen and Mayfield had very few poor decisions)
- At times he throws on time and rhythm .... but not anywhere close to as smooth as Mayfield and Rosen
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Just now, KGun12TD said:
Great stuff...love these posts. Thank you, Kind Sir!
certainly.. haven't been able to post much as my new job is a time suck.. but this was too important to not dig into
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1 minute ago, H2o said:
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Good work my friend
my pleasure
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Bills/LA Wk 2: All-22 OLine/Qb Unforced Error Analysis
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Run blocking was out of the scope of my analysis here.. only focused on pass protect
I showed one example each of MIller and Groy being beaten.. but there were many other plays where they were sufficiently blocking that factored into decent grade
I specifically showed clips of the RBs and TEs not doing their job...