Kellyto83TD
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Not sure but there are not many quality QBs in the whole league....This is a decent team. Should be able to get a good coach.
I understand the "whole league thing" but its past time we had one. That can't be the excuse anymore. This franchise has to have a great QB or its more decades of the same.
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Bottom line, we don't have a Starting Caliber QB on this roster let alone the Franchise QB we need. There is no magic Coach, coordinator, offense that is going to help EJ get it. We were rightfully ripped by experts by taking him in the first round and by pinning our fanchise hopes on him. Its not EJ's fault, good kid, wants to be good, but many of us wanted to be lots of things in our younger years, but it just wasn't going to happen.
Just objectively discussing this, do you think its possible to land a higher profile HC one that can really get us where we want to go with the QB situation as it is? I say.... yes believe it or not. This comes with a condition though, I think the New HC (and everyone on the interview list surely knows our QB history by now...) wants direct say over who the QB is and how the QB he wants gets here. I think with how the Org. has been run and its epic failure since 1996 to get a Franchise QB in here, its a fair condition.
You can almost bet real money Shanny is going to have that very discussion with the interview crew and its the ONLY way we can land him.
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The overall roster is not the issue , it's the qb. He wouldn't be the first gm ruined by not finding one but he deserves to keep his job
EJ aside, why do you say he deserves to keep his job? His FA pickups are marginal to horrible, his draft pics are bad, and the trade for Watkins (although sammy will be good) hurts the franchise. You should never trade a future first for a WR, one WR isn't going to get your franchise where it wants to go...ask Atlanta. It just seems to be he is making bad mistake after bad mistake.
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Yoli. Ill say it again in this post for all Marrones faults ( and they are many) Whaley has not done a good job personnel wise. I think the blame is distributed throughout the org. Brandon, Nix, Whaley picking Marrone as HC, then drafting EJ. Then the weak offseason moves that reek of "Moneyball". Then the stupid trade up.
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Poor baby. Whaley was trying to help Marrone fix his woeful offense and that's the thanks he gets?
Marrone for all his faults knew EJ wasn't the answer and he knew that one WR wasn't going to fix anything. Heck many of us knew it and didn't agree with the trade up, not with two other very talented WR's and a talented TE that was going to be available.
There is no way around this, Whaleys trade was a Bad one for the franchise unless somehow we can secure the QB position this offseason. I think its going to take a trade for a QB to get it done
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Who said we had faith in him? He's all that Pegula's got right now, so he's in charge by default.
I ask because for days now I keep reading posts saying folks are so glad he is still GM, he has the team headed in the right direction etc. when HE doesn't in my opinion. The Defense (And I hate saying this....mostly put in place by Nix and others) and Special teams put us at 9-7.
Just looking at what I posted the guy doesn't know what he is doing imho.
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He's on there for what he did on the field and he was found not guilty of murder. No argument
Exactly. He made the wall what a decade or so before the car chase? Come on folks he is up there for his production as a Bill
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He and Mouse were a perfect combination. If the Bills had the stability that they have now (I know I know) he would still be here. The same may go for Marshawn. It doesn't always work that way but both turned into HOF type of players. Congrats to them and hope that they keep it up.
Can we finally end this Marshawn BS? He HATED BUFFALO! He didn't want to be here, he wanted out. No way in hell would he have re signed with us if he played out his contract.
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I want to know as well. Williams had a history of production before Marrone and suddenly you have Chris Hogan of all people beating him out.
Correction, outside of his rookie year he has NOT produced, hence Tampa willing to trade him for just a 6th rounder or so. If he was really worth a damn no way they part ways with him. Now I agree Marrone had something to do with this BS
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Now before answering and before reading this please understand how I am saying this. I am not trying to be a jerk, I am not being sarcastic, I am not bashing I am just trying to wrap my head around why so many think Whaley should still be GM and why the faith in him. I know in print its hard to see how someone is coming across so just imagine we are sitting around having a couple beers, wings and just discussing this.
So in looking at Whaley here is what I see so far, he was in on the decision to draft EJ and hire Marrone, two horrible decisions. Now how much decision making did he have in those two decisions? Who knows? What I have read is it SEEMS (again just by what has been said/ printed) Whaley and Bradon wanted to force EJ on Marrone, and it is beyond proven and obvious Marrone and Whaley had issues regardless of what OBD says. Speaking of OBD can we finally agree no matter what its CYA there please? They will tell you that there is nothing to see here, all reports are wrong even if someone had video of it happening.
Moving on, here is what I have seen of Whaley in his first year as GM...
He signs a FA Guard with tons of ??? on him at Guard and the guy ends up being crap and not playing. Now some will say injuries, but this guy had issues at his last two places and didn't warrant his draft placing.
He trades for a WR who hasn't produced since his rookie year, has attitude issues, already has a bad history with our HC And is now on "IR" (wink wink) and we are on the hook cap wise for 5 Mil + next year.
He puts his faith in a QB that never should have been drafted in the first round (Was part of that decision), had many knocks against him and all the experts questioned why we took him in the 1st let alone to build this franchise around.
He trades away our 1st and 4th this year for a WR who's talent he believes is so clear cut better than anywone else in the Draft that its worth the pick. he also thinks this is the one piece to finally get us over the hump....a rookie WR...
Trades a 4th rounder for a RB we never hardly used.
I can go on but you are getting the point. So far to me he looks like he has do damn idea what he is doing. Even in Pittsburgh they figured out how the NFL changed and its all about the QB. Now a franchise QB doesn't guarantee you get into the playoffs, but without one you pretty much are screwed. As for as building the Pittsburgh Model they have a Franchise QB, they have ONE RB that carries most of the load with others to back them up. So this building a Pittsburgh model to me is pure nonsense.
So just looking at the guy's track record along with no ownership, no "I made that call", "I made that decision" it really bothers me. I just can't have faith in this guy and I can't see how so many are just so happy he is still the GM and have faith in him,
So if you all don't mind can we discuss this?
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I don't care who it is as long and HE, not whaley, not brandon, Decide who the QB is
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This breaks my heart. Total class, Great dad.... You were always cooler than the other side of the pillow Stew.
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Please go to the Jets!
Can you imagine if he took Hacket with him?
LOL
CBF
I am really praying he does go there :-)
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Doug Marrone didn't make this team better. Doug Whaley did. Marrone isn't responsible for bringing in the personnel from winning teams(Corey Graham, Brandon Spikes) and that's what changed the culture.
Screw Doug Marrone.
Tell me how Whaley did **** for this team? He was GM for one season, last year and it was a disaster. He traded away this years first for a WR who is good, but there was as good or better talent at WR still on the board. His Free agent signings and trades have sucked and what about Kujo in the 2nd?
Whaley should be fired NOW, he is way in over his head.
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Orton was planning to retire but didn't tell anyone. Marrone was planning to opt out and kept it to himself.
How does the decision to start Orton against the Patriots look in that light? On the one hand, with Orton secretly hanging it up, the Bills might have thought playing him would be an extra look at him before next year's battle for the starting QB position. If the team had known he was done, they might have wanted to give EJ the chance to end the season on a high note like Geno did.
On the other hand, if it was known that Marrone was planning to opt out, might management have instructed him to start EJ? His motivation in starting Orton is now suspect, because the W was more important to him for short term reasons (had a winning record in Buffalo, makes him more interesting to other teams) than for long term reasons (help remove the cloud around the future of the QB position).
When will fans like you get it? EJ is NEVER going to be a franchise QB which is what we need. At best the kid will be a back up, period. He just doesn't have it between the ears, never has, never will.
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Glad to hear it. Everyone has been waiting to see how you feel today.
Is brandon going to be conducting this coach search too?
I would bet not considering he thought Marrone was the best out there. I have to think that Mr. P is silently glad Marrone opted out. And to those having an issue with my Marrone/Offense comments, Its spot on. Our players who were worth a crap went down hill after he got here. He hired the offensive staff, he did the coaching for the OL and on and on and on. Schwartz had the Defense and Marrone didn't touch it.
IMHO we won in spite of Marrone.
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I didn't post yesterday and just watched as the wrist slitting and what not commenced. Marrone did not get us to 9-7, Schwartz and a great defense got us to 9-7. Marrone and his kitty decisions, crappy OC he had to have restricted us. More so The front office not getting us a quality QB kept this team from being as good as 12-4.
Marrone to Jets? GOOD! We know he will puss out on 4th downs and we know the Jets office will always suck. They can have him.
As for as what else is going on? I hope it is Polian and I pray Brandon and Whaley are gone. I have posted all year, Mr. P needed to clean house and it looks like it might happen. ALL of the old mindset needs to be gone.
I have read here that the Bills are now a further Joke, how is that? We have ONE major issue the Quarterback, that keeps this team as is from being a playoff team. The ONLY thing that would keep us from getting a good HC is forcing EJ on him and not being willing to trade for or draft a QB that we can win with.
I am going to wait and see how this all goes down before getting too happy or upset either way, but Marrone out of the building is a + for me.
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I'll start by admitting that I haven't always been the biggest fan of Coach Marrone's. I love the intensity he brings to his job and his enthusiasm for the game, but sometimes his weakness at managing the play clock and pace of the game goes beyond the pale (see: punting on fourth and one, not calling a timeout when special teams took the field against the Chiefs offense, etc.).
That said, it seems he really has the Bills by the horns right now with this opt-out clause. He can use his leverage to demand a contract extension from the new regime - whatever your opinion is of Marrone, I think everyone agrees that you don't get a contract extension for peaking at 9-7 and a game out of the playoffs.
Ultimately, the fault for this situation has to lie with Brandon, as he was overseeing the football operations during the final years of Ralph's tenure, and could have held strong on offering a three-year contract that didn't give away the Bills' bargaining power.
Whatever ends up happening in the next couple days with Marrone, Whaley, et al, it's now clearer than ever before for me that Pegula needs to completely divorce Brandon from the team's football operations. Let him handle the things he's good at - namely selling tickets and marketing the franchise - but his involvement in the football operations side of things has gone on far too long. Please stop letting him completely undermine the football side of things.
Brandon is a !@#$ing clown. No one can believe anything he says
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While I am not sold on Winston there is one fact that is true Franchise QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 1000000 Than Dareus and those picks are worth. We need one badly
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These are those type of decisions that the Bills have made in the past. They set your franchise back and hurt future hiring. I just hope the Bills don't fall into this abyss again.
Whaley needs to find some diamonds in this years draft and have a great FA this year for the Bills to make that push to the playoffs.
Now they just screw up draft picks to sink the franchise See EJ, Kujo etc
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Why not put him in at some point? Why did he even go pro?
More "great drafting" by Whaley
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A kid cannot become the starting quarterback at Florida State without God-given ability. He has huge potential. He was not afforded the learning curve of most first year quarterbacks. Check out the stats of Elway, Manning, Aikman as rookies. Aikman was 1-15, right? Our quarterback rose to the top of the college ranks. He was MVP of the Senior Bowl. That's where I first noticed him. He threw a TD pass to somebody, and I thought, man, this kid is a natural.
So we trade out of #8, pick up Manuel and Kiko, and EJ is thrust into the starting role on a young growing team. He struggled, but he had some really good games. The second year he had us at .500. He had a rough game against Houston and that crazy MVP candidate JJ Watt. Who didn't struggle against that guy? Marrone pulled him, and turned it over to Kyle. He gave us the best chance to win. And we finished 9-7.
EJ got to watch this all happen from a great vantage point. And I think he was humbled by the whole thing. Did he lose his athletic ability? His intelligence? His determination? No. If anything, he has developed a major chip on his shoulder.
Look at that video. He has the goods.
I am not giving up on EJ Manuel. I think he's ready to become a star.
No wonder this franchise is still stuck, we have had personnel people that are as wrong as you are about QB's. He backed up Christian Freaking Ponder, was average in College ,then the next year a freshman takes the same team and wins a national title.
EJ does not have it and never will. If this franchise doesn't wake up to this fact and go out and get us a guy who can really QB this team to the playoffs and beyond, the franchise stays stuck spinning its wheels. I would like to think the new owner would step in and clean house before that happens.
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Been saying this for a while. There is a real drought of QB talent in the NFL.
most all are better than EJ And EJ will never amount to anything. So options are this, do the trade for Cutler or Bradford (both >>>>>>>>than EJ will ever be) or find a way to get one in the draft.
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Rather have Watkins then pick 19 this year. Not an exciting draft up top.
So they lucked out.
I would rather have Beckham and the 19th pick, which is what we would have if our GM was worth a damn
A serious question, why the faith in Whaley?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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You do realize Kiko was Nix right? And I grant you preston, hughes, boobie, henderson were good. Watkins was going to be good, but not worth a future first no matter what. Woods was drafted when Nix was GM as well.
As for an agenda, Buffalo finally not being a laughing stock and franchise QB addressed is my main agenda. I asked an honest opinion and its more than worthy of discussion when you look at the track record so far
Good reply, thanks for actually thinking and posting. We will see on this next go around (since it seems Pegula will keep him) how he does. Both guards need upgraded and QB must be addressed.