The Bunk

I disagree. Hughes was a first round pick and at TCU he had no Mario Williams or Manny Lawson. He was the guy the other team targeted defensively, and he still got his. This team hasn't had an identity since the early 90's, this DL can be what Buffalo is recognized for. I'm all for keeping him. However, i also have my eye on 49ers OG Mike Iupati. They might let him hit the market.

RG III.

I'm with you. Don't talk to me about crab legs, he's as good as it gets on the field, a true leader and winner, with elite talent to back it up. We'll never have a chance at him anyways.

If Buffalo gets a 1st round pick for any package involving EJ everybody send me your address and i'll mail you all a check for $100.

Now folks want EJ back? lol okay. Be careful what you wish for, when he gets Watkins killed as EJ cluelessly leads him into a heat seeking missile known as a safety don't come back here calling for Orton again.

Not happening. The only way you are getting a guy like Cowher is if you have everything in place, i don't see these guys turning away from their swanky, easy lifestyles to inherit Kyle Orton and EJ Manuel.

I've been saying this for a while now. His body language is always terrible.

Exactly. The Marrone hate is kind of hilarious to me. Far from perfect, best Buffalo has had in a long time.

I don't know about 'very' productive, but his previous track record would suggest he should be playing a bit here in Buffalo for sure. Hope that we see some of him, i do think he can do some things to help this offense.

Looked like audible to me.

I was just joking, i don't see that happening ever. Jimbo seems like more of a college coach. No shade to him, but, can't see him wanting to leave.

Jimbo Fisher, and he's going to draft Jameis Winston.

Correct. Without Orton this team absolutely had a chance to finish with a top 10 pick. And if that would have happened the Watkins trade goes down as all time bad, don't care how good he is. Great wideouts don't make QB's, it's the other way around. Sammy got open for EJ, but EJ simply missed him or didn't even see him. This front office did the right thing by getting Orton and avoiding a 6-10 season.

Nothing under Marrone at SU, but the football team committed violations. More like basketball, it seems. Either way, coaches can't control this. There are too many people and too much money around. Can't police every player on the team and every person in the university. Not possible or realistic.

Right, but this case has been such a complete and utter mess, i'm not even sure there would ever be enough out there for a charge.

Lawyers do that. You hire David Cornwell to fight. There is also the claim that the alleged victim tried to extort him, that's still out there as well. Look i don't know what happened, but i'm not sure this will end Jameis' college career unless that's the decision he makes himself.

The alleged victim didn't even say that Casher and Darby were witnesses to the rape or failed to save her during the rape. Jameis probably said these two were there, they can back me up. The attorney gets to them ASAP and gets a written statement. The alleged victim was also asked by the school(Originally said police, my mistake)for 20 months to come forward and she didn't. Again, this is all according to Winston's attorney.

Perhaps not, but that doesn't mean that I'M going to assume he did something his accuser hasn't been able to prove.

Fair enough. Though it was reported you could see Fisher approach and apologize to Jameis when he came back out minus his pads in the Clemson game. Maybe Jimbo knew the cameras were rolling lol. It is, but as of this moment it was investigated(And has been continued to be) and we have no charges. Last i knew we assumed innocence until guilt was proven, that's all i'm doing here.

I don't know what there is to buy, it sounds innocent enough. I don't think Winston is the terror most make him out to be. He's lost the court of public opinion but to my knowledge has never been proven guilty of anything worse than some free crab legs and a free refill. Hey maybe some NFL money is all he does need to stay out of trouble, he'll be able to afford all of the seafood and sugary soft drinks his heart desires.

Perhaps, but they may be able to delay it long enough for him to play this season out. And when it does happen according to his lawyer they are still sorting out what exactly they'll be allowed to say/show, ect. Lots happening here. According to Fisher this wasn't on Winston, Jimbo actually apologized to him. Full pads weren't supposed to be in locker, several football players have said they wear whatever is in the locker for them. Not sure that will be a big deal to NFL scouts.

I don't have the video but you can find it, the OTL segment today on ESPN outlines this whole thing really well.

Not quite true, Winston's attorney is going to call out the fact that FSU has literally created new procedures to follow up on the allegations. That isn't going to fly. Oh, and unlike the Todd Gurley situation, NOBODY has come forward and said Winston was paid for these autographs, which is where the violations lies. Read up http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/13/6971871/what-the-jameis-winston-autograph-investigation-means

The autographs isn't a big deal, same thing Bridgewater, Clowney, Manziel dealt with last year. Johnny missed 30 minutes of a game, Teddy and Clowney nada. As for the hearing, might not ever happen. FSU is asking Winston defends HIMSELF with no lawyer able to speak on his behalf, Winston's lawyer will file an injunction. This will get strung out. Today on OTL Winston's attorney said they don't even know what the actual regulations for this 'hearing' will be, won't happen for weeks if at all.

I don't know that he was open, that's why i said, even if he's not "open" you give him a chance to go up and make a play. You think AJ, Calvin, and Dez only get targets when they are running free in the secondary? No, they're special talents and you give them opportunities to make special plays. When you give up what Buffalo did to acquire Watkins they must think he's on that level, give him a chance to show it.