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    Will we be in Super Bowl contention this year?

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    3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Yeah, that's idiocy.

     

    Concerned? Kincaid, Cook, Dawkins and Torrence, for four.

     

    Is it possible they win nine or less? Sure. If Allen is injured. If he's healthy it's still possible but a ten percent chance would be roughly the likelihood.

    None of those guys are keeping DCs awake at night, that's just homerism. Kincaid MIGHT after this season, but not now.

    Gimme Five draft contest - WR edition- WIN REAL BILLS $$

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    On 3/15/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Tomcat said:

    It's been a while but thought I might bring it back.  This will be the 11th time I believe.  Yes we have had a winner before.

     

    $50 from any store (Amazon, Walmart, Bills Store )as long as its Bills related to the person who answers these 5 players future correctly.

    An additional $25 bonus if you hit the Bills pick.  Maybe the WR IS the Bills selection?

     

        Open to all posters registered before 3-15-24.  If you register after that, DM me and I'll consider it.

     

         In case of a tie, the person who's been on twobillsdrive the longest will win.  You must get all 5 AND the Bills pick for $75.

     

         Edit your answers as many times as you want, I will close it an hour before the draft.

     

         Pick the team that DRAFTS the player (if team A drafts player A and trades him to team B, team A is the correct answer)

     

         I will ship whatever is chosen directly to you.  Enjoy the contest for what it is, fun.

     

     

    Please Copy and Paste your answers:

     

     

    Marvin Harrison Jr.,    Ohio State -

    Rome Odunze,          Washington -

    Ladd McConkey,             Georgia -

    Brian Thomas Jr.,                  LSU -

    Xavier Worthy                      Texas-

     

                                 Bonus Bills pick - 

     

     

    Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State - AZ

     

    Rome Odunze, Washington - NYG

     

    Ladd McConkey, Georgia - CIN

     

    Brian Thomas Jr., LSU - KC

     

    Xavier Worthy Texas- MIA 

     

     

     

                                 Bonus Bills pick - Kool aid 

    Will we be in Super Bowl contention this year?

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    Name one player on offense or defense not named Josh Allen that any OC or DC on opposing teams is concerned about.

     

    This roster is completely devoid of top tier talent. 

     

    People need to wrap their head around the idea of 9 wins being close to this team's ceiling.

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    Will we be in Super Bowl contention this year?

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    2 hours ago, bills6969 said:

    I have concerns on the defensive side of the ball.  Specifically, with replacing Poyer/Hyde. Replacing their production/leadership will not be easy. Need some leaders to step up on D.

     

    As long as we have JA17, a Super Bowl should always be the goal.  There are alot of shoes to fill going into this season.  I do like that we aren’t really coming up in conversation for Super Bowl contenders.  I think we get a bit overlooked this year, which I think will be good for this team.

    lol no

     

    The Dark Horse WR on the Roster (Beane made reference to guys on the roster elevating their play)

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    47 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

    Beane, in his sincere attempt to persuade us to believe he doesn't view the lack of a Diggs-size talent on the roster as a gaping hole that he intends to address in the draft, alluded to guys on the roster.  He made an analogy to Terrell Bernard, who played very little his rookie season then "elevated" in a Big Way last season. "Tremaine Who?"

    Thought it might be a good time to profile just who is lurking in the depths of the roster.

     

    In order of seniority:

    1) Andy Isabella, 2019 2nd round pick of the Cards (62 overall).  Small fast guy - 5'8 3/4", 29 3/4" arms, 4.31 40-time.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Isabella

    "Isabella entered the 2021 season sixth on the Cardinals wide receiver depth chart, and only had one catch the entire season and was inactive for half the season."

    The Cards brought him through training camp and onto the active roster, but waived him in early Oct 2022.  Since then he's been on the Ravens and Bills practice squad

    Draft profile: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/andy-isabella/32004953-4156-2722-bf26-62181351a224
    He was a successful RB and State-level winning track star in HS.  "Isabella has the feet and fakes to uncover in a hallway closet, and the former high school sprint champion proved to Georgia that his ability to win deep should not be underestimated. Isabella could become a menace on option routes with the ability to add vertical routes from the slot, but he must improve his pass-catching consistency and smoothness into his breaks in order to transition all that speed to the NFL."
     

    He actually played 34% of the ST snaps for Buffalo last season, but it wasn't as a returner (1 KR to add to 8 previous KR).  He had not previously played much ST.

     

    Chance of elevating as a receiver?  I give this "low" - see I think @Kirby Jackson comments about the odds of success for short receivers with short arms.  Never Say Never but....  On the other hand, if he's learned to live with a screw loose, perhaps he could continue to contribute on ST.

     

    2) KJ Hamler, 2020 2nd round pick of the Broncos (46 overall).  Another small fast guy - 5'8 5/8", 30 3/4" arms, didn't run at combine, said to have 4.27s 40-time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._J._Hamler

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/k.j.-hamler/32004841-4d38-6186-eea5-110d32b9644c

    This guy's NFL career to date has been the living demonstration of the lyrics "if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all".  He had a hammy injury at the combine.  He had 30 catches for 381 yds and 3 TD as a rookie, but finished the season on IR with a hammy. 

    In his 2nd year, he had a great training camp and went on IR with a torn ACL Week 3.  

    In his 3rd year, he played in 7 games but just as he might have been coming up to speed off the ACL, he suffered another hammy and was IR'd again

    In his 4th year, he tore his pec training on his own in the off-season then developed pericarditis in July 2023.  Denver had enough and waived him with Non Football Injury.

    He spent 2023 on the Colts practice squad, but was not signed to a futures contract after the season.

     

    Chance of elevating as a receiver?  Well, he showed flashes here and there of being able to play in the NFL, but repeated hammies and an ACL make this unlikely unless Beane has directed the equipment staff to cover his locker stall with 4-leaf clovers, hired him a personal leprechaun, and directed one of the training staff to follow him around providing hamstring massage.

     

    3) Justin Shorter, Bills 2023 5th round pick (150 overall).  Big guy - 6'4", 229 lb, 33 3/4" arms, 10" hands.  4.55 40-time.

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin-shorter/32005348-4f65-1252-2fb4-216da3af656d

    Spent last season on IR.  

     

    He was the top receiver prospect in the country in 2018, but somehow never delivered on that promise at the college level.  Was benched for dropping passes at Penn State.  Made good at Florida, but was limited his Sr year due to hammy injuries.  Spent his rookie year with the Bills on IR due to (wait for it) hammy injury.

     

    His scouting profile, not that Zierlein is infallible, is not encouraging to me; I translate it as "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane".  It praises his physicality and toughness and ability to track the ball and high-point a catch, but also notes below-average foot quickness, slow and linear release that make it hard for him to beat press coverage, and loss of momentum in turns.  Reading between the lines, I kind of get the sense of a guy who might have let his HS success go to his head a bit?

    Being on IR meant he could not practice with the team, except for a 3 week "designated for return" interval which saw him returned to IR.

     

    4) Tyrell Shavers, 2023 UDFA from San Diego State after transferring from Alabama to Mississippi to SD State.  Big guy - 6'4", 211 lb, 32 3/8" arms, said to run 4.55 40

    https://www.profootballnetwork.com/san-diego-state-2023-nfl-draft-scouting-reports-include-jesse-matthews-alama-uluave-and-tyrell-shavers/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrell_Shavers

    He's a bit of a dark horse to me.  He apparently spent 3 seasons at Alabama buried on the depth chart, transferred to Mississippi State, saw some playing time and caught 9 passes for 104 yds, then transferred again.  Had 38 passes for 643 yards, and three touchdowns with SD State and was a ST ace.

     

    Elevate?  Of the preceding 3, I guess I see Shavers as the most likely - he hasn't been injury plagued.  Because he was on PS not IR he could practice with the team all last season.  The PFN draft report says  "Shavers showed a lot of improvement in his game last season, yet he’s unpolished in most aspects of the receiver position. A lack of speed is a major concern" but also "Displays good route discipline, quickly gets out of breaks, and uses his frame to protect the ball. Works across the field to make himself an available target, possesses terrific eye/hand coordination, and comes away with the difficult catch. Tracks the pass in the air, gets vertical, and extends to make the reception away from his frame. Easily adjusts to the errant throw."

     

    Kind of sounds like a guy who potentially could be coached up, if he's willing to put in the work.  Playing speed and burst can be improved by the right training.

     

    5) last dark horse:  Bryan Thompson, UDFA from Utah and AZ State.  6'1", 195 lb, 32 5/8" arms, 4.54s 40.
    https://www.profootballnetwork.com/arizona-state-2023-nfl-draft-scouting-reports/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Thompson_(American_football)

    Didn't do much in college, but the Bills brought him in and quietly kept him on the PS all last season.  PFN had some good things to say about him pre-draft: "

     

     

    OK Fellow Bills Fans, that's all I got.  Since Beane made a reference to sometimes the guys on the roster can elevate, but they have to prove it (and referenced Terrell Bernard) I thought this might be of interest.

     

    Anyone else got any tea to spill on these guys?

     

     

    These dudes are nothing burgers 

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    Brand Beane Press Conf 4/18

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    2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

    https://www.buffalobills.com/video/your-team-has-to-evolve-bills-general-manager-brandon-beane-speaks-ahead-of-the-2024-nfl-draft-buffalo-bills

     

    Take aways:

    1. I do not think Beane is even thinking about moving into the top 10 to get one of the big 3 WR. 
      1. He said he would take any call, but he also said teams in the top 10 don't generally call teams down at 28.  
      2. When asked about him calling them, he mocked them even wanting to take his call and made it clear he hasn't called them.  
      3. Worth noting as well, Bills have no reported visits or meetings with MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.  We did reportedly meet once with Thomas.  
      4. He is not a fan at all of moving a future first, which I will cover in comments below.  
    2. I think he made it pretty clear as well that we are not going to be trading for a proven guy such as Aiyuk or Higgins as many have been wanting.  
      1. Specifically said when we traded for Stef, Allen was an ascending player and the offense needed a guy like that.  
      2. But that now with Allen ascended to the player he is, that is not a requirement and not necessary.
    3. He made it clear he is very comfortable making a small trade up to make sure he can get the guy he covets.  So if there is one he wants where a small move up to go get him is on the table, I think he will pull that trigger. 
    4. He also made it very clear he really does NOT want to move next years 1st, but did admit he would if the deal made sense to do it.  
      1. Referenced regretting those kind of moves in the next draft when they did them in Carolina when the next draft came and the guy they gave up that first didn't really get them over the top.
    5. He also doesn't plan to move the 2nd we got for Diggs, but wouldn't rule it out if they felt the right deal was there.  
    6. Between Josh, McD and Beane interviews, I think it was pretty clear they have a lot of confidence in the core of Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, and Cook.  It is clear we are going after a WR in first 2 rounds, but I would not expect us to go back to back WR or take 2 early as some around here have suggested.  If we take a 2nd one, I would expect it later like rounds 4 and on.  
    7. Beane made it clear that trading back is very much in play at 28 and pointed out if they couldn't get Kincaid they had a real good trade back worked out he really liked.  
    8. Also added he would love to add someone on the DL that can contribute this season.  
      1. While he said it could be in the first, would have to see what is there at 28 in general, but went on to say he sees guys outside the first in this draft that can come in and contribute this year.

     

    So what I came away with is that I think there is very little chance we are making a move to get MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.  It was also clear it was just as unlikely we are going after someone like Aiyuk, Higgins, etc either.  And that has been my belief all along as well.  

     

    While I wouldn't say that anything he said rules out moving up into the teens to get Thomas (like say Jags at 17), I think it's a low possibility he goes up outside the 20's.  The thing that most often stuck out was the reluctance on using high future picks to move up.  I think Beane really likes the idea of having a first and two 2nd's next year and really prefers not trading them.   And I do think that trading back is a very strong possibility for us to try and get a 3rd this year or maybe even a third 2nd for next year.

     

    All in all this was a good listen...and Beane has a track record for being pretty straight forward and candid on these things, so I think he is shooting pretty straight with his comments like he always has. 

     

     

    Incoming CB round one

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    Random talking head says something about the Bills

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    1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

     

    Not a video headline I expected to see... but hey, he's always loved Josh Allen 😅

     

    The rumor is more focused on Dallas, but for some reason the Bills came up as the next best option for him.

     

    1) Revenge on Kraft

    2) Having Josh Allen

    3) Knowing how to beat Mahomes

     

    Nick Wright wants him to go to the Jets though. If McDermott gets fired, would you guys be open to this?

    Two words 

     

    ***** no

    Alphamock Draft - v1.0 for first round

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    13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

    Here is my official version 1.0 on a first round Mock.  I am going to try and find the time to make a 2 rounder at some point as well.  Since I am not there yet, I did add what I believe the Bills first pick in the 2nd round will be in the notes below since in this mock I have the Bills trading back a little bit.  

     

    1. Chicago - Caleb Williams, QB, USC:  No brainer here, everything points to this being their guy.
    2. Washington - Drake Maye, QB, UNC:  I have believed him to be the pick over Jayden Daniels, and I have someone I trust who has insight who tells me that which QB is still unsettled and that there are supporters for both Maye and Daniels and he thinks its going to fall Maye when its all said and done.
    3. New England - Marvin Harrison, Jr:  With Washington taking Maye, I think NE opts to take what many see as the best player in this draft.
    4. *TRADE* - Minnesota (via Arizona):  Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU:  Minnesota sends their 2 first round picks to AZ to move up and get their QB.
    5. Chargers - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU:  Having lost their top 2 WR's, they add an elite weapon for Herbert, especially with last years first round WR not looking the part yet.
    6. NY Giants - JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan:  Having a QB sitting here that can at least push or challenge Jones is too tempting to pass up for the Giants, although it was hard to pass on Odunze.  
    7. Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame:  Having the best OT in this draft fall in their lap here is a gift they sprint to the podium to select.  
    8. Atlanta - Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida St:  While I think Atlanta is going to get some calls for this pick, and trading down is tempting, but the chance to add the best pass rusher in the draft is too tempting and we go ahead and stick with the pick.  
    9. Chicago - Dallas Turner, EDGE, Alabama:  While I know Odunze is a popular pick here, he is also more of a luxury pick for a team with a long term WR1 already in DJ Moore and they can find a great compliment to him to replace Keenan Allen in the next year or 2 later in this draft with how deep WR is.  Chicago instead looks to bolster their pass rush with adding Turner at 9.  With 4 QB's off the board already, the trade up interest here was lighter than expected and they decide to make their pick.
    10. NY Jets - Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia:  While someone like Odunze is tempting here, Jets already have a WR1 and look to add what is maybe the biggest mismatch creator of any player in this draft and without question the best TE prospect to come out in over a decade.  
    11. Arizona (VIA TRADE from Vikings) - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington:  Cardinals are ecstatic to have moved back and landed extra picks and still get one of the best WR's in this draft who would quite frankly be the top WR in most drafts.  They still get their new weapon for Murray and extra draft ammo to boot.  
    12. Broncos - Michael Penix Jr, QB, Washington:  With a glaring hole at QB and the largest dead cap hit in history, Broncos look to reset here and bring in Penix.
    13. Raiders - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo:  Draft falls great for Raiders where they have their pick of a top OT or the first CB off the board.  With depth at OL in this draft, they opt to take top rated CB in the draft.
    14. Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn St:  With big needs at OT, Saints also have the draft fall well and are able to take the 2nd best OT prospect in the draft. 
    15. Colts - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama:  Colts need a lot of secondary help both at Safety and CB.  With no safeties worthy of this early of a selection, Arnold comes off the board to help bolster their secondary.
    16. Seattle - Byron Murphy, DL, Texas:  I had originally thought maybe this could be a home for Penix, but I think Denver jumps first.  Seattle needs major help on the DL and they make the move here to bolster that unit with someone who can get off the ball and shoot gaps.
    17. Jaguars - Brian Thomas Jr, WR, LSU:  My heart wants to write *TRADE* here and input Buffalo Bills name, just like I wanted to above for Odunze when he got past Chicago (but can't see Jets trading him to us, nor can I see AZ passing on him at 11 the way the draft fell).  But, they need in the worst way to find out of Football Jesus is really the guy they thought he was when they drafted him.   They need a WR1 bad, and BTJ is too good to pass up here and they rebuff trade offers and get Lawerence a Ridley replacement.  
    18. Bengals -  Troy Fautanu, OL, Washington:  They have to find a way to keep Burrow on his feet and healthy and are fortunate this a great OT draft early and land one of the best ones in the draft here at 18.  
    19. LA Rams - Cooper DeJean, CB, Rams:  I know a lot of people assume they look at DT here, and Newton was tempting, but the Rams biggest 2 needs on defense are IMHO at CB and Edge.  I had home town Latu penciled in here, but with concern about his medicals potentially affecting his stock, I think they opt for the swiss army knife himself with Cooper, and they know a thing or two about "Coopers" in LA.  
    20. Pittsburgh - Jackson Powers-Johnson, IOL, Oregon:  Steelers need a Center and here is there chance to add the best IOL prospect in the draft who can potentially come in and shore up that C position for years to come.  
    21. Miami - Jer'Zhan Newton, DL, Illinois:  With big needs at IOL and DL, they have a lot of options here.  But when one of the best DL drop here he is too good to pass up given the guys on their roster now are nothing more than role players.  
    22. Eagles - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson:  Eagles need help in a big way at CB, and I think one way or another, Eagles will be going CB here in the draft.  
    23. Arizona (VIA TRADE from Vikings):  Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA:  Having now 3 first round picks, AZ has the ammo to take the gamble on the concerns on medicals and take one of the best pass rushers in the draft.
    24. Dallas - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas:  The smart move here would be to go OL, and its what I would do if I was the GM.  However, Jerry Jones can't help himself here and falls in love with elite speed in that dome opposite Lamb and makes the surprise pick of the first round thus far.
    25. Packers - Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama:  With the trade of Douglas to the Bills, GB looks to the draft to find its next CB opposite Jaire.  
    26. Tampa - Chop Robinson, EDGE, Penn St:  Bucs considered IOL here, but the value of IOL vs DL later is greater and make the move to bolster their pass rush now.
    27. *TRADE* Chiefs (Via Arizona):  Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia:  Chiefs can't risk waiting on this guy to get any closer to them and make the move to go get him.  
    28. *TRADE* Commanders (Via Buffalo):  JC Latham, OL, Alabama:  Buffalo was tempted to take a WR here, however, Beane gets an offer to move back and pick up a 3rd rounder we are lacking so Commanders can come get some help to protect their new QB Maye.  (BUFFALO sends pick 28 for picks 36 and 78)
    29. Detroit - AD Mitchell, WR, Texas:  Lions benefiting from the Bills trade back land yet another weapon in what could be the most explosive offense in the NFC next year and for years to come.
    30. Ravens - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR, Washington:  A guy not being talked about enough goes here to the Ravens who look to add a playmaking WR who has the best ball skills outside of his college teammate Odunze in the draft giving Lamar their guy with a big catch radius who also plays physical and may be the best run blocking WR in the draft as well.  
    31. 49ers - Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St:  Trent Williams is about to be 36 and their RT was a mixed bag last year, so they look to the future here knowing they need 2 new OT's sooner rather than later.  
    32. Arizona (Via Cheifs) - Graham Barton, IOL, Duke:  Another trade down plays right into the hands of AZ where they land IOL help that can come in and compete to start and is versatile to play guard or tackle.

     

    NOTES:  I have Buffalo trading back even with Adonai Mitchell on the board, not because I want them to (I think I would prefer to take Mitchell there), but because I think there is some real smoke to the Bills being very high on Troy Franklin.  This trade back here I have Buffalo landing TROY FRANKLIN, WR, OREGON at pick 36 while adding a 3rd rounder with pick 78.  And between picks 60 and now 78 I think the Bills could add potentially a Pass Rusher and a Safety (or vice versa), including being aggressive to move up from one of those spots using some of the extra ammo we have if someone they covet is there.  

     

    Surprises:  I think the 3 biggest surprises of the this mock are:

    1. Dallas taking Worthy over the OL help they need.  Just feels like such a Jerry Jones thing to do though.
    2. Buffalo passing on Mitchell to trade back.  I think many feel if Mitchell is on the board he would be our pick.
    3. Ja'Lynn Polk sneaking in first round.  I think most have him as a round 2 guy, but he fits so well the Ravens offense.  His combo of size, catch radius and blocking really complement the Ravens offense and I do think he is a great fit there.  

    Whee.

     

    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    3 hours ago, papazoid said:

     

    any team that gets josh....is never picking in the Top 10 again.....for real

     

    if Josh was off the bills....we'd be lucky to win 6 games

     

    so, the only premium pick is this years #1 & maybe #9

     

    NONE of these QB's will be as good as josh....the only advantage is resetting the $45-50 mil QB cap market

     

    i'm NOT doing it for two 1st's and 2 seconds.

     

    what's my price ??......call me when it's five 1st's and five 2nd's

    At the time of the draft last year did you think CJ Stroud was as good as Josh?

    The Draft is a Total Crapshoot (Per Science)

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    1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

    Which teams do you have in mind that consistently restock their roster from the draft and a high percentage of players that contribute?

    I'm not doubting you, just curious of which teams you considered that fit the description.

     

    Take for example the Steelers.

     

    That team is consistently excellent at drafting WR and pass rushers.

     

     

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    3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

    I am so sad about John Sterling retiring today.

     

    Not a fan of Justin Shackil and the other fill ins and Yankees baseball on the radio will never feel right again.

    So long as they don't hand it over to Suzyn I'm ok

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