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    On to Indy

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    4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Yea the reason Hamlin and Rapp are grading reaaonably is the Bills are protecting them with everything else they are doing on defense and some really clever coaching. 

     

    I'd take the Chiefs defensive talent over the current Bills defensive talent 100 timed out of 100 in an instant. Go back 3 years it would be the other way round. But our guys aged out and they built a really solid young D through the draft to add to their one stud in Jones. I'd actually take the Bills offensive talent over the Chiefs right now if we take Hollywood and Rice as gone for the year.

    You’ve been quite vocal about the sorry state of our safety room dating back to before training camp. But I have to imagine that they have (especially Rapp) exceeded your very low expectations?

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    1 hour ago, finn said:

    There's got to be a use for the guy besides going in motion. Hell, my niece could do that. How about a reverse, a direct snap (remember Kenneth Davis?), or any other gadget plays I thought he was brought here to do? Even McKittrick brought some value. Why have him on the field if he's doing nothing?

     

    I wonder if Brady designs a play for Samuel then thinks, "You know, Cook [or Davis or Keon or Shakir or Gilliam or his niece] could do that better..." 

    At this stage, i wonder if it doesn't have more to do with Samuel's chemistry with Allen?

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    19 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

    My last word on this, we’re going to the playoffs with or without this win.  Getting everyone healthy has more value to me than an extra home game.

     

    We play who we play, shouldn’t be afraid of anyone.

    Last season, KC entered the playoffs as the #3 seed, and somehow had the undeniably easiest opponent in the Dolphins, who couldn't wait to get back on the bus. 

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    Mack Hollins in the Locker Room

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    1 hour ago, FireChans said:

    Would Mack Hollins be getting significant playing time if we acquired Darius Slayton AND Cooper/Coleman were healthy?

     

    More importantly, should he be?

    Of course he wouldn't be on the field as often, under that scenario. But, under your scenario, I imagine they would probably cut Samuel. And (I suppose to your chagrin), we would still be seeing Hollins on the field for blocking, check-downs, screens, and some red zone situations. He would still have a role on offense.

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    3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

    ok i haven't read this whole thread full disclosure

     

    but i think there's justification for both 'he's not a very good NFL player' and 'he has a role on a team w a bad WR room'

    Shakir is one of the best slot receivers in the league. And if we had acquired Davante Adams, instead of Cooper, and Coleman was playing like a 1,200 yard receiver (which he was starting to do before Poyer took him out), then Mack Hollins would still be on the 53, and still getting significant playing time. In my opinion.

     

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    2 hours ago, FireChans said:

    I mean, the only game where Josh HAD to throw to Mack, Josh had one of the worst games of his career and Amari was a Bill a week later.

     

    this circular logic is bizarre. You don’t understand Mack’s role in the offense is 100% based on his ability in this offense.

     

    If Mack was a better WR, would he have better production playing #2 WR snaps? Of course he would. But he’s out there blocking and not touching the football BECAUSE HE SUCKS AT IT.

     

    You think it’s a coincidence that Mack makes minimal impact on the stat sheet. It’s just “because of his role.” His role is what it is because it’s ALL THAT HE CAN DO. 
     

    It’s Reggie Gilliam getting 60% plus of snaps.

    Your reasoning is so selective. "only game where Josh HAD to throw to Mack..." Josh Allen throws to eight to ten guys every game. "Josh had one of the worst games of his career and Amari was a Bill a week later." After which they immediately cut... MVS. I'm not even sure what your point is. Do you think I'm arguing that Mack Hollins is a #2 WR? I'm not. He's a #4, role player, and valuable as such.

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    2 hours ago, FireChans said:

    His role is playing blocker on run downs, core STer, and being functionally one of the worst WR’s in the NFL when it comes to snaps and production in the passing game.

     

    I understand his role very well. I understand niche value. What I dispute is HOW valuable is niche value.

     

    What I do know is that I argued, hard, that Gabe Davis wasn’t good enough to be the clear cut #2 on this roster. Despite his value add as a blocker and 10x the receiver Hollins is. I was right. 
     

    What I do know is that I argued, hard, that the boundary WR’s were a disaster this offseason. I argued that Mack Hollins would start on the boundary and not be good enough, despite his value add as a blocker. Of course, I was right, the GM agreed by like week 5 and made one of the more expensive trades midseason to supplant him. 
     

    So no. I totally get he’s a nice blocker and STer and you can argue has earned a role on this roster. What you can’t argue is that he deserves the second most snaps at WR this season. We know he doesn’t, the GM has already told us so.

    If you believe that garnering the second most snaps at his position, but not getting the second most targets equates to him not executing his role, then I don't think you understand Hollins' role in this offense. And to suggest that Beane acquired Cooper because of Hollins' "lack of production," is a looooong stretch.

     

    P.S. Guess whose snap count really fell after they acquired Cooper? [hint: it's the guy they immediately got rid of.]

     

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    16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    There’s damning with faint praise then there’s, “he’s better than literal garbage vet minimum Trent Sherfield” lol

     

    Mack is currently 181st in the NFL in yards. Feels about right where he is as a player.

    You're just flat-out ignoring what Hollins' role, and value is on this offense, and team. As long as you've been posting on this forum, I have a hard time believing you're not capable of seeing it. So, your take seems pretty odd to me.

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    3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

     

    If Coleman and Cooper are healthy, he is the third outside WR.  Add the slot being Shakir that makes him WR4.

    I will go far enough to say that I would have no problem having him on the team next season in that role.

    From the way that Beane constructed the receiver corps this offseason, it seemed to me that Hollins role would be as a downfield blocker, an occasional check down option, an occasional EZ option, and a core ST. I don't think they ever viewed him in a "Gabe Davis" type role, or as a boundary receiver. And all the leadership stuff was just gravy. In this regard, he has exceeded expectations, IMO.

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    Week 9 - Dolphins at Bills Game Week Thread

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    1 hour ago, BillsFan619 said:

    I definitely agree with the must win sentiment and extra dangerous theme, but I think it's been people on TBD propping up the desperation more than the media. Some on here find ANY angle to give the opponent the upper hand in their minds.

    I'm one of those guys, though I generally keep it to myself. It's emotionally easier for me if I lower my expectations as the game approaches. The Bills are going to walk onto the field complacent. Tua has something to prove. They're underestimating the Dolphins offense. They have a great run game. Hill/Waddle is an elite duo. There's all sorts of ways a pessimist like myself can build up a clearly inferior team like the Dolphins. Then when the Bills, once again, stomp the Fish into the turf, it almost feels like a happy surprise.

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