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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    47 minutes ago, The All-Pro-Knox Gallery said:

    DeJean seems like a fine player, but if he was truly valued by the Bills, I think he would have been grabbed at #28. However we are pretty deep at CB. Johnson, Benford, Douglas, and Elam is a pretty solid stable and good enough for this year. Maybe Elam gives you some extra growth and can get on the field more. Also, Beane has done a good job finding talent at this position in the mid to late rounds so I think I trust his eye for talent later in the draft. 
     

    I think #33 should be receiver. Franklin, Mitchell, McConkey, Polk, and Coleman are all players to take a shot at. You can maybe gamble on DeJean at #33 then try to grab one of these receivers with a trade up of #60. Or maybe one of them falls that low. I just don’t think that is a good idea given we are so weak at the position and need to get one of them.

     

    Rounds 2-5 have produced elite WR talent the last few years. We have many picks in this range at the moment. Enough that we can grab 2 lottery tickets and fill the rest of the roster out with the rest. Amon-Ra, Puka, Jayden Reed, AJ Brown, Rice, Tank, Downs, Collins, Higgins, and Pickens all are starters that were taken in that range in recent years. I hope we play the numbers game and can find the next WR to that list. 

    We're what, now???

    So day 1 was a bust

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    9 hours ago, Figster said:

    Yet Andy Reid and company liked Worthy good enough to trade up with Buffalo and get him. Beef Worthy up just a little and he's a Hill clone. So go figure.

     

    Myself personally, Allens lower trajectory laser shots beg for bigger targets like 2nd year TE Kincaid gearing up for a breakout 2024 season.

     

    We hope...   

    I hate that word.

    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Here's the outcome if that happens - in one year we'll play the Chiefs in the divisional round. Chop Robinson or Cooper DeJean or whoever else will be invisible as the Chiefs casually move the ball up and down the field at will. Josh Allen will stand on his head and do backflips to keep us in the game but we'll ultimately fall short because no one else on offense cared to make a play. People will say "why can't Josh Allen beat Mahomes?" McDermott will have a presser that week talking about how hard it is to win and how close we are. Next year around draft time the usual suspects will say "we can't focus only on WRs, we have too many needs." Rinse and repeat.

     

    If you don't know for a fact that this would be the outcome of picking a non-WR with our first pick, you're lying to yourself.

    I don't think you're suggesting that there couldn't be a higher graded non-WR left on the board at #28, are you? I keep hearing about how deep this WR class is. Would it be unreasonable to think that getting a WR in the second would get the Bills better value in the draft? And if the Bills don't do something to beef up their currently paper-thin defense, the Chiefs (and other teams, as well) will certainly be marching down the field at will! That's not "lying to myself." I'm just trying to look at the big picture, and at the moment, it has some problems!

     

    Honestly, I don't get how it is that so many fans are calmly dismissing the numerous issues on this team beyond WR? 

     

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    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

     

    Yup I expect that as well.  Beane is going to have to stay aggressive in this draft just to keep up - folks treat the draft like it's Christmas morning but forget to pay attention to what the Bills' competitors are coming home with in the weeks leading up to the event.  The Jets and Chiefs are going to have much-improved rosters on Sunday; the Dolphins and Patriots too but they're just less scary as threats.  But I can easily see a scenario where the Jets suddenly have two stud WRs and the Chiefs load up on offensive weapons as well.

    I have to believe that not having a third round pick would make trading up in the first a much harder pill to swallow.

     

    22 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

     

    More @Warriorspikes51 post about sending at least three picks to the Bears for 9.

    Either way, paying a king's ransom to move up for a WR, in a draft that is historically deep in WRs, when the Bills have so many positional needs, seems utterly foolish, IMO.

     

     

     

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    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    7 minutes ago, Brandon said:

     

    As long as it doesn't send the Bills' front office into panic mode to go after a CB...

    I am of the unpopular opinion that drafting a WR in the first round is not a foregone conclusion. I don't imagine that Beane will ever make a draft choice out of panic. But, if a CB, or DE, whom they grade higher than the remaining WRs at #28, falls to them, don't be surprised if that is their pick. And as glaring a need as WR is, it most certainly gives me pause to think that after the starting five of Benford, Douglas, Johnson, Rapp, and Edwards, the best remaining defensive back on the team is Cam Lewis.

     

    If this draft is as deep in WRs as the pundits say, it shouldn't be surprising that they might get the best value with their first two picks by waiting until the second round to draft a WR.

    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    14 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

    Is Odunze worth that many picks considering the depth at WR in this draft?

    Personally, I don't think so. As glaring a need as WR is for the Bills, it is not currently the only glaring need. (I assume you're responding to @HappyDays suggestion above of this year's second, and next year's first) To have only one pick before the fourth round not only ignores the other glaring needs the Bills have, it ignores WR depth of this draft. And losing next years #1 as well? No thank you. That's too high a risk of a Sammy Watkins type situation to my mind.

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    Draft, Here’s What’s Going to Happen

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    The Diggs trade certainly increased the chances we will draft a WR in the first round, but it doesn't guarantee it. After the top three WRs-- Harrison, Nabers, Odunze-- who are almost certainly out of reach, there are quite a few WRs who, while perhaps graded as a first round pick, will be available in the second round. 

     

    Wide receiver is a glaring need for the Bills, presently. But it's not the only glaring need. If a DE, or CB who Beane has graded higher than the available WRs in the first falls to them, don't be surprised when Beane takes them.

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    Odds are WR position after draft will still be more of question then the answer desired

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    On 4/10/2024 at 1:25 PM, corta765 said:

    Mock drafts, media analysis, bills fans, etc.. everyone has the Bills doing things to address the WR position with Diggs leaving and the larger hole that is now created. Realistically outside of a trade for a Aiyuk or Tee Higgins type player where it is established WR with a track record of production, the WR position will be a question and probably still an area of concern. Even if the Bills move up to draft one of the big three WRs there will be a question of immediate production and adjustment to the NFL. If the Bills move back and draft 2 WRs in rounds 2-3 your at least initially expectation wise at a lower starting point compared to one of the big three guys. The production Diggs had given even with the drop the back half of the season and the now loss of him and Davis production also is going to be a question for everyone and those stepping in. 

     

    Is there a scenario for you that makes you comfortable with the position moving forward?

    The trade for Diggs was a brilliant move by Beane at the time. With the trade of our first round pick, Beane essentially “drafted” a proven wide receiver. But that scenario doesn’t really exist for us this time around. There is no reasonable path to an Aiyuk, or Higgins, and at #28, regardless of which WR beyond Harrison falls to us, it’s never a good idea to hang your hat on a rookie. I keep thinking back on the insane trade-up for Sammy Watkins. Watkins was actually a decent, starting caliber WR, who’s had a decent career, but he never came anywhere close to the draft value the Bills placed on him. 
     

    And, IMO, an important thing to consider in both the Diggs, and Watkins situations, is that in both scenarios, the Bills were working with solid, and deep defense. Currently, what would be the Bills starting eleven on D is average, at best, and paper thin beyond that.
     

    Even after the Diggs trade to Houston, I’m not convinced that the Bills are destined to draft a WR in round one. If this WR class is as deep as folks are saying, and assuming the top three will be gone by #28, there will be solid WRs in round two. The same may not be said about the defensive needs we have. 
     

    My hope is that Beane drafts BVPA at the numerous positions of need in the first round, and only trades up if there is real value in the trade. If that turns out to be a CB, or a safety, or a DE, or a WR, then so be it. His track record for trading in the draft is pretty damn good. 
     

    As far as the question in the OP is concerned— I’m not as married to the idea of a WR in the first as everyone else seems to be. (Although Beane/McDermott might be fearing pitchforks, at this point…) I just want Beane to continue to do what he does— he’s creative, he’s always looking, and he clearly has developed solid relationships throughout the league.

    Diggs traded to Texans for picks

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    3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

    I am thinking that perhaps I'm going against the grain with my opinion. I have been very tough on McDermott but my initial reaction to this trade is positive but with a caveat.

     

    If he dedicates the early picks to WRs and OTs, I think it was a good move. I don't think that Diggs is getting better, and a #2 is frankly a bit more than I expected. This draft appears to be loaded with receivers and OL, and now is the time to focus more on the offense and these positions specifically.

     

    The caveat? If McDermott drafts safeties, corners and other defenders with the early picks we will be heading right back to the Levy/Jauron days and lose football games. I truly hope this doesn't happen but again, at this point I support the trade.

     

    Jmo.

    Before this trade I would have bet money that they would draft defense with their first round pick. But now, I have to think they have at least a few WRs in mind that they believe could be available at #28, and probably a couple they would be willing to trade up for. That being said, I don't think they're going to ignore the cheesecloth they have for a defense, and I would be surprised if they drafted an OL before day three, even with the departure of Morse..

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