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Wasn't sure where to put this. Here's what I got so far this offseason (mostly today😀):
Tre White post June 1 cut
Mitch Morse released
Jordan Poyer released
Deonte Harty released
Siran Neal released
Nyheim Hines released
Rasul Douglas restructured
Von Miller restructured
Mitch Trubisky signed
David Edwards re-signed
Taylor Rapp re-signed
Matt Haack signed
Ryan Bates traded for a 2024 5th round draft pick
Coaches:
Washington, Shula, Butler - out
Ronald Curry, Jahmile Addae, Christian Taylor - in
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Wasn't sure where to put this. Here's what I got so far this offseason (mostly today😀):
Tre White post June 1 cut
Mitch Morse released
Jordan Poyer released
Deonte Harty released
Siran Neal released
Nyheim Hines released
Rasul Douglas restructured
Von Miller restructured
Mitch Trubisky signed
David Edwards re-signed
Taylor Rapp re-signed
Matt Haack signed
Ryan Bates traded for a 2024 5th round draft pick
Coaches:
Washington, Shula, Butler - out
Ronald Curry, Jahmile Addae, Christian Taylor - in
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4 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Saying “he’s not an absolute lock” and “Rasul was a goner” are the same statements demonstrates you are the one who struggles with interpretation. Fun projection though.
You like quotes, here's the relative one in context that starts the silly misinterpretation that folks subsequently ran with implying Douglas was a cut candidate:
"there are ways of making those same points without phrasing in the past tense and as I said at the start sometimes Beane tells you more than he means to."
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I'm OK with the Morse move, but for the relatively paltry cap savings from trading Bates not sure it was worth moving him as well. Looking forward to seeing what he does with that pick.
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4 minutes ago, FireChans said:
🤡 post. This is the worst victory lap of all time
I see you have an interpretation issue as well. Because your response supports exactly what I was saying. 🤡
"Rasul Douglas is not the absolute lock to be back I think most of us assumed." Which was based on supposed "past tense" comments🤦♂️
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I figured as much when he was released.
Did you agree with me on my thread that day? Sounds like a victory lap😂
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Just now, FireChans said:
But it was a stretch because you were wrong. Just like @GunnerBill saying it was “possible” Douglas wasn’t here was a stretch, because he’s staying.
There’s your own “logic” and “reasoning.” Lol.
No, the stretch was a silly "interpretation" of a 15 second blurb and using that as the sole basis for meaning Rasul was a goner😂 Right or wrong, there was at least some analysis based in reality for whether Tre coming back was a possibility.
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10 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Well by your logic, that it was “possible” Tre White was back was quite a stretch.
Because he ain’t back.
Not really - one was based on logic and reasoning, and the other, well, wasn't.
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Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:
Really? So that wasn't you on the Ryan Bates thread telling me "read the Buscaglia article - there's a path for all 3 of them to be on the roster"?
And not you here again saying:
I don't see the inconsistencies? As I said, all the quotes you want to attribute to me all had one thing in common - Rasul being here in 2024! Again, was it possible from a cap mgmt perspective to keep Tre as well? I did make that argument and supplied a little supporting reasoning as to why. But either way, I was very consistent that Rasul was not going to be the choice to go if that were to be the decision.
But based on your misplaced interpretation of Beane's comments at his presser I can understand why you are struggling to accurately portray my stance here.
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23 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
He's just interested in taking victory laps right now. Never mind the fact that his stance from the beginning was that Douglas would be here along with White.
Um, no, that was not the stance. The stance was Douglas was going to be the one who would be here all along, and anyone basing their opinion otherwise based on a silly 15 second sound bite wasn't thinking critically. What I did actually say was that it was possible Tre was also back based on the cap ramifications of releasing him outright.
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23 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
My take all Offseason was one of them was going to go. I initially thought it was White. But in listening to him at the Combine talk about the two, it felt like he was leaning towards Douglas. I was far from the only one who thought this.
Let's not take a stance of superiority and post victory laps on multiple threads. You've been non-stop arguing your stance based on a report that we can keep all 3 and that's what made the most sense to you.
No, keeping Douglas was a no brainer all along. What seemed possible was keeping White based on the cap ramifications of just releasing him. But anyone who just ran solely on a silly "past tense" interpretation wasn't thinking critically. As soon as I saw that post I knew this day was coming, just a matter of when.
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17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
What the presser did was raise the possibility he might not have been.
Not really. Running with the so called "past tense" comments in a 15 second sound bite was quite the interpretation😂 That was the stretch.
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On 2/28/2024 at 7:55 AM, GunnerBill said:
3. Rasul Douglas is not the absolute lock to be back I think most of us assumed. He twice went immediately to past tense when talking about him "I liked what he brought to our defense" and "it was a pleasure getting to know him." Now neither of those definitely mean he is gone, but there are ways of making those same points without phrasing in the past tense and as I said at the start sometimes Beane tells you more than he means to. It definitely made my ears prick up. He is almost $10m of pure savings with zero dead cap if they cut him. I'm not saying I expect them to but I thought the tense he used was interesting.
Yikes. That was quite a stretch based on the whole 15 second sound bite.
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Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:
So much for "everything says we can keep all 3" too.
That was more likely than releasing Rasul! Let's see, one of the better players on the team last year who we gave up a 3rd for, versus a guy coming off his ACL then an achilles. One of the dumber interpretations I've seen around here based on a 15 second sound bite🤣
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1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:
How’s that looking now …? 😀I got a gut feel that Douglas is on this team come Week 1
It was so dumb, but people ran with it🤣 smh
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
They chose to restructure Douglas. Which, honestly, in the last year of his deal - I didn't know was an option. Hadn't heard it mentioned by anyone.
I think the change in tone at the Presser was because the question was specifically about an extension and Beane knew it wasn't happening.
Edit: There is is. White's gone. Keeping all 3 just never made sense.
But past tense?🤣 So much for Beane with all his superlatives for Tre at his presser🤣
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Just now, The Jokeman said:
Cuz Beane liked what he did for us last year we brought him back for another year.
No, people were running with the quote that Beane said he liked what he "brought to the defense" instead of what he brings, so of course that was interpreted as past tense and meant he was getting released to save the cap space. smh
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But but but...Beane talked about him in the past tense at his presser🤣 jfc
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8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Let me ask you this - would you rather move on from White?
Gotta see how he recovers. Until then you don't touch Rasul. Keep your options open, best bet is Beane keeping all of them this year. From the Athletic, here's how you do it:
"There is a scenario to split the difference here and get the best of both worlds because of how cap strapped they are. To keep the player, not sacrifice the depth and have to settle for a potentially lesser player than White at third cornerback and save the same amount they would to cut him, and that’s by way of a non-guaranteed extension with a reworked first year. Coming off an Achilles injury, White’s best chance of maximizing his earnings this year is by staying in Buffalo. For the cap savings, the Bills can negotiate a non-guaranteed extension through 2027. By turning his $1.5 million roster bonus, $300K workout bonus and $4.14 million of his base salary into a signing bonus, they could prorate it through four years for immediate 2024 cap savings. His base salary in 2024 would be $1.21 million (the veteran minimum) and would be guaranteed. The other $3 million would transfer to earned incentives based on playing time parameters this season.
Right now, White isn’t guaranteed a cent on his contract for 2024. By doing this deal, he would be guaranteed $7.15 million this season, with a chance to earn $3.25 million more through incentives and his per-game active bonus. And in doing all this, the Bills save $7.26 million on the 2024 cap — more than they’d save just by cutting him. So they get the cap space, keep the player, keep the depth and maintain the wiggle room of not needing to re-sign Douglas if the price gets too high and White could start in 2025 on a pay-as-you-go contract."
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On 3/4/2024 at 12:57 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:
Maybe he or his agent aren't interested in doing an extension and want to test their market in a year. Maybe he's creating a situation where we have no choice but to pay him the full 9m he's owed or let him walk.
He was playing at a high level as a starting CB in Green Bay, then switched to a different team Midseason, and performed maybe even better. This showcased his ability wasn't just a Green Bay thing. I can easily see a scenario where he or his agent believe he could cash in next season.
And/or maybe he and his agent are asking for a substantial number if he is to re-sign and not test his market. And given what we already have and hoping White will come back, maybe they aren't interested in doing that.
Maybe Beane truly believes in White and thinks he will be ready to roll Week 1. It never made sense to me that in the situation we're in that we'd have 3 starting CB's in Douglas, White, and Benford - with our cap being what it is and the amount of holes we have at other positions.
I always thought Tre would be the odd man out. But it appears to me that Beane sees it as Douglas. I do hope if that is the plan though that we can trade him for something.
Way too many “maybes”. There is no indication that Tre is going to be physically recovered. Where have you seen Beane say that? Because he did NOT indicate that in his interview where some believe his use of “past tense” indicates Rasul is a goner😂. Do you not think Beane can get a non-guaranteed extension with White to lower his 2024 cap hit? If that happens it’s more than feasible all of them are here in 2024, including Rasul at his contract number.
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12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
He's 9m on the books if he isn't extended. Tre is 16.4. Even with a restructure of Tre, that's a LOT of money to be paying for CB. Doubly so when you have a VERY good ascending CB who's development is paramount (as he is the present and the future at CB) in Benford that you also want to keep on the field. It's not possible to start all 3.
I'm not even taking into account the 1st Rounder we hope will turn things around after he is fully healthy and the firing of the DB's coach that butted heads with him. Or the situation we're in capwise v. The holes we have to replace. We can lose one of White or Douglas and still be good at CB. Meanwhile, we need starters at WR, DE, DT (of which we have a grand total of 1 on the roster), and S (probably both).
You're entitled to your opinion. But my opinion has always been that it would be Douglas and Benford with Elam as the first man up on the Outside with Johnson as the Nickel or White/Benford/Johnson/Elam as our top 4 guys.
And in watching and listening to Beane talk, it's my belief that Douglas. You can disagree, but to me it's fairly obvious something has to give at CB for the sake of the rest of the roster.
Yep, we're gonna have different opinions on this. Beane spent literally 15 seconds on the Rasul question. Read the Buscaglia article - there is a path for all of them to be here next year.
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6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
And "I enjoyed getting to know him last season". Everything was past tense. He shifted to "we're looking into a lot of different things" rather than discussing Douglas specifically like asked. His tone when discussing that there was nothing there to discuss and no current plans. Everything looked and felt very different than how he usually talks about players he has plans for.
Combined with his talking up of Tre White and his return. The idea that we were going to extend Douglas on a Starting CB's contract (which it would have to be bc his agent surely knows he can get one elsewhere in a year), keep Tre and continue paying him a large number, and have Christian Benford at the same time never made sense to me.
Why would we pay a lot to keep 3 starting CB's, when we have to find money, have a bunch of starting holes elsewhere, and you can easily get out from either Douglas or White? I always assumed White was the odd man out. But I agreed with @GunnerBill upon re-watching it myself that it was a telling exchange.
Ah yes, the “I enjoyed getting to know him!”😂. Is he supposed to say he’s still enjoying his company and looking forward to getting to know him better?! Ridiculous take, imho.
It’s not like BBB to give up a 3rd for a rental. And who says he needs to be extended? He’s under contract.
Also, this tidbit from someone who is actually closer to their thinking: “Currently, the only thing guaranteed is Douglas on the team for 2024.” Take a read of Buscaglia’s measured and reasoned CB review. This seems more likely: “The Bills would be best served to let the year play out and see how Douglas performs, Benford’s progress and how well White bounces back from injury before issuing any guaranteed new money to the cornerback position.” -
20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
But listening to Beane talk about him at the presser, it does seem to me that Douglas isn't long for the team
What exactly did you hear him say to make you think this?! Because he said what he “brought” to the defense, instead of what he “brings”? I’ve seen people running with that person’s interpretation, which is quite a stretch imo.
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8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
Sure. Anything can happen. But that is ignoring the actual odds of success. This is not a typical draft. The players staying in college for NIL money has gutted this class. Pick 143 in 2024 is not the same as pick 143 in 2020 or 2028. That’s my point.
I get the point. And I still think the point is we won’t know for years whether this pick turned out to be valuable or not, so I wouldn’t go around stating definitively this pick has very little value. Regardless of NIL they’re not cancelling day 3 of the draft.
Bills 2024 Roster Breakdown (Current status)
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Dane Jackson in the mix?