R. Rich

This thread is only for posting your selections for the teams you represent. There will be a separate thread for discussion of the mock draft.

Feel free to let me know who you're interested in picking up. I'm taking the Texans. We will start @ 10am.

Due to some work issues, we will begin the mock draft @ 10am instead of 9am. I apologize for the delay.

No sir. I've never met Pinto Ron. However, I have met and hung out w/ Kenny numerous times, here in Baltimore, in Buffalo (natch), and in San Antonio for the relocated Saints game (w/ Aussie, Lori, Jay Rubeo and a few others also).

I never met Pinto Ron.

So far, we have half of the teams represented. Good job!

Oops, guess I forgot 'bout him...

Of course, a lot will depend on what the Bills do between now and the start of training camp. They have a bunch of options w/ the 12th pick and they have the additional 3rd from the McGahee trade plus their other day 1 picks, so they should come out of the first day of the draft w/ a nice group of players. Couple that w/ some shrewd moves on day 2 (let's hope!), and some good scouting of the available free agents later, and the Bills may not look like such losers going into camp.

Moving Buster outside, are we? Not a good move, in my opinion, as he's a true MLB. In fact, he's a lot like the guy we just let go in free agency, London Fletcher.

Let it go. On message boards, the other view is the wrong view. If I think Spikes and Holcomb are great players, there's bound to be others who think they suck. Or vice versa. Heck, I've seen people on this board jump all over the posts of those who have been here longer and simply try to offer their viewpoint on issues, or try to ask 'bout something. Stuff like that happens all the time; we just have to endure it. The fleas come w/ the dog.

Both of us have good points on this topic. You have pointed out the number of bad first round picks from Penn State, and I have shown that there are also success stories. Two sides to the coin, so to speak.

Manning was quite funny, I thought, though the last few skits he was involed in were pretty weak. Other than Manning's first few skits (in particular the 300 spoof, the ESPN basketball pool, and the United Way commercial) and Smigel's classic funhouse spoof of Dora, the rest of the show was typical SNL of late: unwatchable.

McDuffie a bust???? His career stats (from pro football reference.com): Regular season +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ 1993 mia | 16 | 1 -4 -4.0 0 | 19 197 10.4 0 | | 1994 mia | 15 | 5 32 6.4 0 | 37 488 13.2 3 | | 1995 mia | 16 | 3 6 2.0 0 | 62 819 13.2 8 | | 1996 mia | 16 | 2 7 3.5 0 | 74 918 12.4 8 | | 1997 mia | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 76 943 12.4 1 | | 1998 mia | 16 | 3 11 3.7 0 | 90 1050 11.7 7 | | 1999 mia | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 43 516 12.0 2 | | 2000 mia | 6 | 1 -3 -3.0 0 | 14 143 10.2 0 | | 2001 mia | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 115 | 15 49 3.3 0 | 415 5074 12.2 29 | Postseason Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 1994 kan W,27-17 | 1 19 0 | 2 25 0 1994 sdg L,21-22 | 0 0 0 | 5 46 0 1995 buf L,22-37 | 1 9 0 | 11 154 1 1997 nwe L,3-17 | 0 0 0 | 3 6 0 1998 buf W,24-17 | 1 3 0 | 6 53 0 1998 den L,3-38 | 0 0 0 | 9 118 0 1999 sea W,20-17 | 0 0 0 | 5 82 0 1999 jax L,7-62 | 0 0 0 | 2 19 0 2000 ind W,23-17 | 0 0 0 | 4 57 0 2000 oak L,0-27 | 0 0 0 | 3 43 0 ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- TOTAL | 3 31 0 | 50 603 1

Penn State has certainly had their share of first round busts. There's no arguing that. Thing is, just about every school has had first round busts. While the players both you and I have mentioned have been considered busts in the past for Penn State, here's a few players who really don't meet that criteria: From 1996: 23 Jeff Hartings Lions Guard Penn State 30 Andre Johnson Redskins Offensive tackle Penn State From 1995: 5 Kerry Collins Panthers Quarterback Penn State 9 Kyle Brady Jets Tight end Penn State From 1993: 25 O.J. McDuffie Dolphins Wide receiver Penn State From 1987: 8 Shane Conlan Bills Linebacker Penn State From 1983: 3 Curt Warner Seahawks Running back Penn State From 1982: 8 Mike Munchak Oilers Guard Penn State From 1972: 13 Franco Harris Steelers Running back Penn State These players have had careers that go from pretty good (McDuffie was quite the 3rd down receiver in Miami) to very good (Franco and Munchak are Hall of Famers). All were taken in the first round of the draft.

Sure are different players. I was addressing someone's broad generalization that PSU players are all busts. Even though I'm relatively new to stereotyping, I still believe that this is incorrect.

Yeah. I refuse to call the murderous ex player anything else. I heard the verdict too; best justice money can buy. You do realize that Mr Cochran also defended another "innocent" person named Michael Jackson, right? No, I'm not calling TMEP a bust. I'm just applying your logic in regards to character to the argument. So, had TMEP not had a hall of fame career and would've just been an average guy, he'd still be a bust because of the character issues. Instead of using TMEP, let's use Travis Henry, who has had a decent career, though nothing special. He's also had some character issues (something 'bout underage girls comes to mind). Considering his issues, and the fact that he hasn't set the league on fire, would you consider him a bust too?

You're such a negative nancy. BTW, what's in store for draft day? I know you guys have some sort of all out shindig planned, right? One of these days, I'll actually get to see for myself.

1. He's been all over Sirius' broadcasts and the NFL Network featured him in a couple different stories. He's no "sleeper" any more, unfortunately. 2. Great athlete! He'd be a nice player to add on, though I'm not sure he'll even be around in the late rounds. 3. Injury is a concern, plus he's not the quickest TE out there. Might be worth a late round pick. 4. Copy cat!!

Hampton U's Justin Durant is a very solid LB prospect. He's had some good workouts too. I wouldn't mind seeing him end up w/ the Bills.

If the Bills could have Kalil as part of a trade down and still get a guy like Ben Grubbs later, that would be awesome, as I've been very impressed in what I've seen of Kalil. Of course, I don't think it's in the cards though, especially since there's a stong possibility that Walker could move inside to guard or that they could be ready to go w/ Preston there.

I think he was asking that of Ted Bundy, not you Bob.

High character players don't also nearly behead people. So, by that logic, if TMEP had just had a couple 1,000 yard rushing seasons and never would've had the 2,000 yard season, he'd be a "bust" too, huh?

Okay....

Aundray Bruce

Good point, David. I dislike the term "bust" in general. It goes back to people saying Ralph Sampson was a "bust" when he played basketball. He wasn't a phenomenal player, but was an All Star, an All Star MVP, and got his team to the NBA Finals. A disappointment to the level of his hype (he was a college player of the year twice)? Yes. A bust? No. Same applies here.