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1333048949[/url]' post='2425374']
how long did it take him to say that?
guy is brutal on TV so why not try a comeback
He's definitely embarrassing himself on espn. Get another job jerry, you're terrible at your current one.
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We have to get a Lt IF chix thinks theres one worth the 10th pick. Maybe they think there's a couple guys in rds 2-4 that can excel. Don't reach to fill a need. Take the bpa at a position on need. We still have couple holes, fill the holes with the bpas.
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1333053758[/url]' post='2425490']
No, it's really not, because the discussion isn't whether the franchise QB is in the 6th round. The point made by someone else was that drafting a QB outside of 1st round is a waste of time. I've said that this is not true. It is wise to spend a mid to late round pick on a good QB prospect if you currently have your starter ("franchise") if you will under contract. Smart teams do this. If no one drafted QBs outside of the first round, what would NFL rosters look like?
Obviously most franchise QBs are found in the first round--no one here has argued against this clear fact. However the overwhelming majority of 1st round QB picks are wasted as only 1/3 of them yield that type of QB.
I know what I've seen regarding Thigpen. He seems to have caught lightning in a bottle in KC. In Buffalo, his "Svengailey" didn't want to put him as starter even after Fitz was injured and even after the Bills were in a 7 game loss streak and were playing meaningless games in December. Even you said that Moore becoming a starter for the Bills ahead of the likes of Thigpen and Smith was no great achievement.
I'll take a 33% chance on landing "that type of qb" everyday of the week. IF the current qb isn't "that type of QB". What are the chances that ANY player in the 1st rd will be that type of player for their position? I have no idea but I but it's not higher than 50%. Its the most important position, if you don't have a stud, get a stud. Qbs in the 2nd-7th have less than little chance to succeed. A cb, lb, OL etc have a MUCH greater chance to succeed.
Yes, Moore becoming the backup over thigpen and smith is no great achievement. I'm not saying thigpen is good. The point I was trying to make is, if Kellen Moore has potential, than Thigpen has potential too. Moore produced in a short passing game, behind a great OL and played vs lower tier college programs. While thigpen hasnt had success recently, he's shown he can produce on an NFL level. Which, IMO, translates to potential.
While I agree that drafting a qb in rds 2-7 isnt always a bad idea, I think it's a wasted pick 90%+ of the time. There have been a couple qbs over the years I wanted to take a chance on late (Schaub, drew Stanton and jimmy claussen).You see something in Moore that you like. I see a little kid running around with the big boys. This isn't the mountain west, it's the nfl. You're entitled to your opinion just like everyone else is, there is no right or wrong at this stage.
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1333040218[/url]' post='2425211']
I'm so sick of the Tom Brady argument. Lets take a look at all the NFL QBs who have been drafted in the 4th or 5th round or lower and then determine whether you want to bet on a 6th rounder becoming your franchise QB. It's a 100 to 1 shot at best and is only not 1000 to 1 because there have not been 1000 QBs drafted that low. Brady is an aberration, like Kurt Warner and Johnny Unitas before him, who were also more than 100 to 1 shots. Yes, it happens once every few decades for one out of 32 teams. The chances of it happening again, while within the realm of possibility, is extremely, extremely low.
Seriously, wake up people. Stop with all these bs comparisons. We're talking about 1 in a million chances. Absolutes are my pet peeve, but il go on record in saying Kellen Moore will never develop into anything more than a backup qb. If he starts, it'll be because his team doesn't have anyone competent to compete with him. Maybe that makes him a "starting qb" in some people's eyes. Kelly Holcomb was a "starting qb"......but he really wasn't.
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1332990280[/url]' post='2424879']
He NEVER concedes so much as a SINGLE POINT.
That's why I don't bother with him anymore.
In his own mind, he's completely infallible.
He's right, we're wrong. Always.
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1332971715[/url]' post='2424644']
We weren't debating whether those drafted after round 1 could be "stars", but "starting NFL QBs", verbatum. Sure, every team is waiting around for a "star QB", yet they still play the games until one falls to them and they play those games with the best QB on their roster.
Potential means, by definition, we don't know how good he can get, but he seems promising. We've seen the best of Thigpen (or the Chiefs fans did, anyway). Even re-united with Chan (who refused to sub him in for a damaged Fitz --even during a 7 game slide), the old "magic" between the 2 of them is gone. So yes, Moore has "actual potential", whereas Thigpen hit the ceiling well before he hit Buffalo.
To be a "starting qb" in the nfl is based on a qbs competition. Kelly Holcomb was a "starting qb". BJ Hobart, Trent Edwards, Jp losman, Todd Collins, Tim rattay, Alex van pelt.... They were all starting qbs in the nfl. Who cares if kellen Moore can be a "starting qb" if our other qbs are thigpen and brad smith? I'm not quite sure why anyone would even get in a debate about if someone can become a "starting qb". I could be a starting qb if my competition was weak enough. Can I be adequate is the question.
Thigpen hit his ceiling in his rookie year??? He came in late to a shortened training camp and got minimal snaps. The snaps he was taking, he was throwing to.....yeah, scrubs. Now, I'm not saying I think thigpen is a great qb by any means, but the fact that in his rookie season, he was able to pick up chans system and put up big numbers tells me he has potential. Just because he didn't do anything for us last year, in limited snaps doesn't say his ceiling was his rookie year. It doesn't say anything. But somehow, you KNOW how good thigpen can and can't be. How bout nooooooooo..................Scott.
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1333014337[/url]' post='2424951']
Whats great about super Mario is that teams will need to either double team him or chip on him with the TE so he immediately changes the Bills defense all by himself.
Then when teamed up with Anderson, Williams, and Marcel Darius on that line is causes the other 3 to be singles up, so someones getting a sack or strong pressure every pass play.
Super Mario makes the line better, makes the secondary better because now opposing teams can't hold the ball forever while waiting for receivers to break open. The pass rush will cause QB's to hurry throws and disrupt their rhythm.
My only worry is now teams will try and run more against the Bills questionable LBer corps
They're also running against that same monster DL.
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1332974247[/url]' post='2424672']
Are we trying to make the play offs this year or in 3 years to never?
You don't draft a backup player that will never see the field at #10 when you are trying to make a play off push. Not to mention fans like you will be screaming for the "back up" after Fitz's first incompletion.
NO THANKS!
Well, that's debatable. Yes, we are trying to make a playoff push, but every team that doesn't already have a qb they can call a star is trying to get themselves a star. If chix thinks Tannehill can be that guy, select him no questions asked. If chix thinks fitz is that star, then you pass. It's pretty simple IMO. The playoffs are going to be more easily attainable for the franchise if the franchise has a star qb.
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I agree with both of you. I think kuechly is going to be a good player wherever he plays. I have no reasoning except I think hes got great instincts, desire, athletic ability and proved it with play on the field. However, taking a guy at 10 and playing him at a position he's never played is a risk. If it were a 2nd rd pick, it's easier to get over. Picking 10, you better get a contributor.
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1332987153[/url]' post='2424841']
Yeah - I've learned to merely hope that certain positional needs get met, and trust that Nix and Co. have the skills to know the right players - and, in truth, I feel Buddy has done an excellent job of picking up players via the draft and udfa over the last 2 years. I still have hope for Troupe and Carrington, Moats, Batten, Easley, etc. These guys excite me - and, the draft excites me because with another good 3 or 4 more players (LT, WR, LB, CB) our team could be a competitor, and I think Nix has shown the ability to find starter quality players in even the later rounds.
By the way, I was really ticked off when we passed on Claussen - I was sure he was at least worth a 2nd round pick! Kaepernick - I wanted him, too. This year? I'm actually hoping we give Kellen Moore a shot with maybe a 4th, or that really tall QB - Osweiller? maybe? Also, I'm thinking we should go for the Georgia Tech WR, Stephen Hill, over Floyd, if we have the chance. So, there's that.
Danny batten excites you? I'll be shocked if he makes the team. No way he plays LB and I don't think he's got the strength to play DE. We have Kelsey, carrington, Merriman, moats (if he plays DE) ahead of him. Cut batten. I'd even consider cutting troupe. Bad backs are bad, especially for a DT. I can't envision troupe ever making an impact. I'm rooting for him, but I just can't see him ever contributing.
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I'd be happy with him in rd2. Don't think he'll be there though.
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Great mock. Not sure sanu will be there now that he really boosted his 40 time or Johnson in the 4th
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1332964372[/url]' post='2424521']
I wonder if the Bills see him as a LB...
In a 4-3 where the OLBs rarely rush the passer? I would hope not. He's a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB. He's a pass rusher, not a coverage /run stuffer
1332969521[/url]' post='2424617']Wouldn't mind seeing them bring in David Hawthorne Seahawks free agent LB
No doubt. If he can be had for under 4 mill a year it would be a nice fit for him and the bills. Then we can go Wr/cb/lt in the first 3 rds and grab a lb later on. That may be the case even if we don't sign Hawthorne. Doesn't seem like he's on Buddy's radar though. I net he's signed within the next 2 days, he's visited with a couple teams recently.
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1332961262[/url]' post='2424453']
All of the pass types/patterns you mentioned are staples of the pro game. He makes all of those throws. Can he throw into tight coverage? There is evidence on the videos that he can.
You seemed to be basing your opinion on his questionable skills on his Senior Bowl experience (it's all you mentioned). If you are now claiming that your opinion was formed by watching him play frequently, then we can agree to disagree on his skill set.
Gumby said: "If you're not going to draft a QB in the 1st round than don't bother". Such a blanket statement is ridiculous, regardless of qualification. A QB drafted outside the first round can become a starter, perhaps not in his rookie year. The AFCE had a single 1st roundeWr starting at QB last season.
Moore wouldn't be Fitz's replacement, but he would be for the awful Thigpen. And Moore has actual potential. If he doesn't work out--so what, we spent a 4th or 5th on him.
I've read the entire back and forth and I agree with the others. You mention only 1 starting qb in the AFC east is a first rd pick. Yes, and 3 of the 4 should be backups. Brady being 1 of a few exceptions. The majority of the really good qbs in the league are 1st rd picks. It's a fact. Sure there are exceptions, as there are to every facet of life, but the chances are slim that a qb drafted after rd 1 win become a star. That's what you want playing the qb position for you, and it's unlikely you'll find it outside rd 1.
You say Moore has actual potential while comparing him to thigpen, while thigpen has actually had success in the nfl. If Moore has potential than thigpen most definitely does as well.
We'll continue this topic in 7 years. Or maybe 2, when Moore is out of the league.
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Goose bumps x10. Gotta love Marcel. Would've been nice if they showcased a couple of Fred's moves. He had several amazing runs last season.
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This topic deserves another thread.....
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I hate this thread. I'm not sure why we would ever have to make that choice. They compliment each other well and 2 good rbs are almost a necessity nowadays. If the GM were forced into a decision, it would be based on winning right now vs the future. The choices are obvious for each route.
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Rofl@rd2.
My tv would be broken.
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I guess he could become a good backup, but I'd rather get someone who at least has a chance to be better than fitz. I can't Moore ever becoming that.
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"da Erie fury" may be the worst nickname I've ever seen.
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I'd be ok with Gilmore. I personally prefer kirkpatrick bit OT looks like Gilmore has surpassed him on many big boards. I wonder what Buddy's look like.
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He looks like a HS qb physically. Not a fan. I don't even want him in the 7th. I can't see him making it through a game or two without getting broken. I've been wrong before.
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Impressive 40 time especially considering he ran a 4.67 at the combine. That's a big difference.
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1332887357[/url]' post='2423676']
GO BILLSSS!!!!
"I expect to be undefeated...I expect to win every game!" - Chan Gailey
19 and 0 baby!!!!!
Lol
Sign Mike Wallace
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This. He's too expensive.
And will cost buffalo 11-13 mill a year. And we still have to resign Levitre and Byrd among others. The well is dry.
P.S.- I know you love fitz, but he doesn't have the arm to compliment Wallace's speed (especially at 11-13 mill a year).