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Exterminate that "strange part of you."

Vietnam was before my time, but as a newly minted Naval Aviator in my first squadron on my first carrier cruise, the CO/XO and all four department heads were all flying strikes from carriers during that war. During the transit to the Western Pacific after you leave Pearl Harbor there are days and nights that flight operations are pretty slow, and it gave us new guys a chance to hear their stories, usually late in the evening in our ready room. Some of them were really interesting, but how they hated how that war was managed on so many levels. Such a waste. Very little NFL information during those pre internet days during "blue water" ops when you are very far from land. We'd just get the scores in the Monday morning message traffic.

Visited Colleville-sur-Mer, the Normandy cemetery mad famous by Private Ryan a few years ago. One of the cool things they do is allow veterans to fold the flag after Taps is played each evening. My wife and I are both Vets, her a Navy nurse and me a Naval Aviator, and we got to fold the flag after it was retired at the end of the day. Such a great visit on such hallowed ground.

Those who died in service to the country.

Are you certain that any documentation wasn't created? Simply because a legal complaint wasn't made, or law enforcement wasn't asked to be involved means little regarding what occurred or what was done. The airlines have their own internal processes for this kind of thing, knowing that a lot of passengers are going to pursue legal action. Here's an example. I was flying an all nighter from LA to Chicago in the mid 90's. Get to cruise altitude and get a call from the flight attendants that some guy has likely had a heart attack and being tended to on the floor in 1st class. Turns out there is a UCLA Medical Center MD tending to him, assisted by an ophthalmologist surgeon. UCLA guy gets on the phone and tells me the guy is basically dead. Little hope for survival. I divert into Phoenix. Takes about 15 minutes to get from cruise altitude to a gate in Phoenix where emergency medical folks are at the gate and on the guy as soon as the door opens. MD tells me that there is now way the guy would have survived except for the immediate medical attention and equipment on board, and the extremely rapid divert. Necessary reports filed. Four months later I find out the guy, who lived, is suing the company. Company wants to know if I have anything more to add to the report I filed the next day. Case never makes it to court because of statement the MD made. None of that stuff was public. The point is that there is no way, given the information the sole source of which is the plaintiff's attorney what was done, how it was responded to or how it was documented. People finding a lawyer to file a lawsuit well after the event are not unusual.

No. You missed the point. The point is that you have no idea what really happened, let alone how it was reported or responded to. Until those things are addressed, judgement is a waste of time. Silly lawsuits happen all the time.

My "position" is that you have no idea what really happened, how it was presented to the folks with their jobs on the line or anything else,other that the plaintiff's attorney statement. The best policy is to refrain from a "position," until you know both sides, or in this case three.

Having been on the other side of the door, there are very specific protocols regarding passenger behavior that start with a mere discussion with the passenger and escalate to a diversion and unscheduled landing with full law enforcement armed boarding based on the situation. If the issue seemed to be resolved with nobody suggesting legal action against the woman while on board, that would be the end of it. It happens, If there was thought that there was a chance that a sexual assault had occurred, there certainly would have been reports and follow ups. Again, there is no effort whatsoever to provide the other side of the story, but it may be that there wasn't any thought that anything serious happened and the issue was resolved by separation. Happens often enough. What also happens often enough is the chatting among folks starts after the event and a lawyer is found who is willing to roll the dice with a lawsuit. Airlines deal with lawsuits like that all the time. Rarely do they ever make it to court, and are often dismissed without any settlement.

We have invisible planes? Really? Your link refers to cloaking devices which are not at all applicable to an airplane. There is nothing in it that relates to airplanes at all. Not to give this silly thread life, but there is no real justifiable reason to make airplanes invisible. Undetectable, yes. Invisible, no. The reason is that the goal is to get the kill shot off beyond visual range. It is incredibly undesirable to ever get into some kind of visual fight anymore. The F-22 and F-35 address that issue, but they are not and never were designed or operated tactically in a manner that invisibility would be important. There are some optical anti air defenses, but that is a very rare option. This isn't Vietnam, and it isn't how this work is done.

The fine for knowingly allowing an obviously intoxicated person to board and fly is $20,000. Its taken quite seriously.

I have heard and used the phrase "cannot see" hundreds of times in talking about these things., and I sure as hell know what it means.

In aviation parlance, the phrase "cannot see" is used as a substitute for "cannot detect." The F-22 and F-35 are "low observable" designs, as they address the three ways aircraft detect other aircraft. I think this is a silly thread over nothing.

I don't think for a second that any kind of passenger misconduct is evaluated on the basis of gender. The other side needs to be heard before concluding anything.

There's always another side to the story. What was linked to was his attorney's statement, so there is no obvious attempt to present the other side. Issues among passengers occur and are usually handled easily. If it truly got to the point a sexual assault was observed, the flight would have been met by authorities.

Standard LA all-nighter.

My neck of the woods.

Should have stayed on his horse. Nobody would have questioned it.

Its less than a one hour flight, and an NFL charter, which is quite different. Driving it, compared to what they do, is not comparable. They don't fly back Monday. They fly about 2.5 to 3 hours after the end of the game.

Not a six hour flight. About four and a half.

From most reports, what a number of players used to do post home game during the Super Bowl years was far more damaging than a five hour snooze in an airplane.

On the bright side, the Clay drop at the end of the Miami game likely got us Ed Oliver.

The damage on that 737 engine would not have caused any serious problem. I flew airplanes for 40 some years, from little Cessnas to flying fighters at very low altitude and very high speed, (bird region), to 777's all over the world and have had three bird strikes, none of which cause any problems. The Sullenberger thing was a complete fluke. In my 32 year airline career, my company, about 185,000 flights per year, had one serious bird strike which took out the left windscreen.

I have a Hiroshima Carp jersey. Maybe I'll get a chance to see them at some point if it expands to Japan.

Gladly. The company is Custom Ink. They've designed three mask products in response to this and their latest is quite good. It's not simply printing a logo on them, it's the entire manufacturing procss. [Edit: found an ad and link for Custom Ink mask products today https://www.customink.com/products/categories/face-masks/205/styles?li_did=f23eee69-e81a-3bcd-99d4-4e56245aa3fc]

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