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What comes after Charlottesville?
If you're going north, my place.
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Looks like a tough one.
For anyone with a more than causal interest in weather, here is a link I used in my career, which shows winds at various altitudes around the world.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-103.58,13.13,302
I was primarily interested in the 250 hectopaschal chart, which was about 34,000', and the best indicator of the jetstream.
In this case, it really points out the counterclockwise flow around this intense low.
The default is surface winds, but you can change the altitude by selecting the "earth" thing at the bottom left, and then changing height, expressed in hPa.
If you look at the 850 hPa option, (about 5000'), you can really see the energy it is pulling in.
Additionally, you can zoom in and rotate the earth to anywhere you want.
Pretty cool site, but it really shows this Harvey hurricane.
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I'd be more inclined to wait for the results of an investigation.
Still, another F-14 back seater bites the bullet.
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Metastasis stage.
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Possible cloaking device?
Are you serious?
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More likely Hamburg. Either was considered...but Hamburg had a distinctive coastline that showed up well on radar for bombing in poor conditions (which, in Northern Europe, was the rule). Berlin was a much, much tougher blind target.
But considering that there was no plane in the ETO that could deliver either bomb, and all the B-29 production was headed to Indo-China more than a year before the bomb was ready, it's probably safe to say that neither was ever seriously planned for,
Not to quibble, but given the nature of the weapons, I doubt any radar delivery would have been acceptable or approved, and Berlin summers are not too bad.
In addition, Germany was already occupied by Allied forces.
The real goal of these weapons was to prevent the massive casualties resulting in a Japanese mainland invasion.
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Can you imagine what could have happened had the Indy been sunk before delivering the bomb components
Nagasaki.
Components delivered by air.
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I believe the key to finding it was the discovery that another Navy vessel had spotted and logged a sighting of the Indianapolis on the evening she was sunk.
That changed the search area, but still included about 600 square miles.
Such a tragic event.
Thank goodness there were as many survivors as they recovered.
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It was the last one listed,
but you are right that there are too many to read.
That's why there is a choice.
You chose the "conspiracy" one
But not for that reason.
I read through the thread and backed up to your post, that was the first link I came to, while backing up, and it is silly.
Not that complicated.
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Picks out the link, I mark as wild............... ignores the ones that can't be written off.
Didn't ignore them, just didn't read them.
When you read the first one, and it's crazy, you respond.
I don't have the time to read every link in this forum.
Sorry.
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Something stinks about Charlottesvilleby Russ Vaughn
Original ArticleWARNING - Conspiracy theory inside
Epic stupidity combined with total ignorance.
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Your city !@#$ed up big time as many have the past couple years when it come to this stuff. You continue to defend them but I'm the ignorant one. Got it.
Clearly, you should be a consultant.
It would make it so much easier for the rest of us.
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I've asked you a question several times. Got nothing. Jim asked several times and you told him a story about Bandcamp or something
Really?
What is "Bandcamp?'
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Yes, since you dismiss the thought that city govt botched the situation.
Thanks for clearing that up.
If you want to ask a question on a message board, it saves time if you ask the question and indicate who it might be directed at.
To answer your question, the city tried to move the event to an area that would make it much easier to control.
That petition was opposed by the ACLU and the Rutherford Institute and struck down on Friday, the day before the event.
I am unaware of any "stand down" orders from the scores of law enforcement jurisdictions, (probably over 20), from what I saw.
No...no they didn't.
Gross ignorance.
Other than walking up the Marshall Law ladder, your post demonstrates ignorance.
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Did they or did they not move the protest location to a more dangerous site?
Did they or did they not order the police to stand down?
Are you asking me?
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In your numerous responses you've yet to explain how the Charlottesville gov't didn't screw up the situation.
What would satisfy you?
I can write about it from its genesis.
A black high school kid said the statue offended her.
Momentum developed to remove the statue and change the name of the park.
Most of us, me included, thought such a thing was stupid.
This is a college town.
For those who have never lived in college towns, they are always a bit weird.
So, by a one vote margin, the city council decided to remove the statue.
No big deal.
Enter the national wacko Nazi white supremacy group and the equally loony left wingers.
Give them a location to face off.
This town did everything possible to prevent it, including losing a court petition to keep them apart.
Bottom line is that there is no possible way to prevent people who are determined to hurt, and driven by hatred, to stop what they are going to do.
Sad as the loss of one life is, and the injuries, this is nowhere near the events of the Rodney King thing in LA, or countless other events.
No property damage. No looting.
Long response shortened,... I am on the opposite side of the political spectrum form the Charlottesville City Council, but they did their absolute best to avoid this.
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I'm not going to get in a pissing match of VA vs CA. But I'll say it again. You're city appears to be run by idiots. The judge denied the petition to move the even to an area that would have prevented the violence so the city leaders decided, for who knows what reason, to go with plan stupid. Now hindsight is 20/20 but you can use others hindsight to make your decision. But hey stick up for you idiot city leaders. Oh and one last thing. Almost every city, county, state and federal leader is an idiot so you're not alone.
I don't think you have any clue to make such claims, but that is normal for folks of your ilk.
Married on Treasure Island, (both Naval Officers), lived and worked in the Bay area for the first few years of our marriage.
My wife ended her nursing career because her income with mine would put us over then 50% state and federal marginal rate with minimal day care, so we decided to leave instead.
Third greatest decision I've ever made.
If you want to throw stones about bad local gov, anyone in California should be the last, but oh well.
I do remember on particularly funny thing though, and you brought up the jurisdiction.
The City Council of Berkeley decided to vote into law an ordinance that would prevent any Berkeley police officer from responding to any violence originating at a protest at UC Berkeley.
Someone had the temerity to ask what would happen if a protest on campus turned violent and lives were at stake.
The city stated they would rely on neighboring municipalities to provide police response.
A day later, those "neighboring municipalities" stated that they would tell the Berkeley City Council to screw themselves, and would not respond.
The rest of the country is quite interested in following legislative and judicial examples from the Golden State.
God Bless.
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So you live in a city run by !@#$ing idiots and that gives you reason to give me ****. Really??
I haven't given you any whatever, whatsoever.
I have responded to your posts, and your posts don't display a knowledge of what happened, before or during.
To your latest, a city is not run by judges. Certainly not this one, but that is another civics class.
What you have stated is condemnation of how this was handled based on an accusation of how the state of Virginia should have learned from Berkeley.
You have absolutely no idea what their strategy was. nor what it was based on. Nothing.
You have no idea how many jurisdictions were involved, state wide, and there were well over ten, probably over twenty.
You, evidently, had no idea that a judge denied the petition to move this to an area that could have allowed authorities to keep the two idiotic groups, determined to incite, away from each other.
If you invite a stranger who is obsessed with hatred to come into your home with an incendiary device, and you then invite someone to join in with a match, and further deny a petition to prevent it, don't scream at the firefighters who try to put out what is inevitably going to happen.
And regarding where I live, the greatest decision I have ever made for my family was to leave the great state of California.
Charlottesville is a tremendous place to live. Named the best place in North America a few years back by some silly survey.
Trouble comes when lunatics use it as a spot to demonstrate their lunacy.
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I have no idea? Yeah I do. It's called past performance. You put two groups that hate each other together with little or no police control there will be violence. In Berkeley during one event the police were ordered to stand down and all hell broke loose. Then the next event they separated the two groups and allowed them to protest. Gee guess what happened? Peaceful protests. Amazing isn't it.
Simple enough?
Geez.
You are so smart.
It's really unfortunate that the judge who rejected the city plea that the "event" be moved to an area where this could have been done, and which was the exact intent of the plea, didn't consult you.
But, alas, the judge did what he did for the reasons he did.
Instead, it was allowed to occur in an area where such separation was impossible.
Market yourself to district judges as a "riot preventer," because they haven't figured it out yet.
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If they wanted to stop it, or had orders to stop it, they easily could have. They learned absolutely nothing from the incidents in Berkeley earlier this year where Berkeley police were issued stand down orders and riots broke out as the police stood by and watched.
But you drove by this event so you know.
I always get a kick out of this message board nonsense.
You have no idea "orders" or rules of engagement were in place.
You have no idea what could have happened if some other strategy was used.
If there's one thing I've learned as I've watched this and many other events unfold, some of which I've been very familiar with, it's that people judging the performance of other people, often professional people, is folly.
And the claim that I "know" because I "drove by the event" is false.
What I know is that both sides recruited people from far distant areas and attempted to start a riot.
Simple enough?
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For Sherpa, I am not trying to be personally critical of the police in Charlottesville, but there are reports of problems.
From the NEW YORK TIMES:
POLICE 'STAND DOWN' BLAMED FOR VIRGINIA CHAOS...
From the WASHINGTON POST:
Fear of 'violent left' preceded events in Charlottesville...
And I fully understand that.
This is the classic scenario in our recent past.
You let two groups assert their 1st amendment rights, knowing what each side wants to do is provoke a conflict.
Then the predictable occurs and the finger pointing starts at those who are supposed to react within a boundary that is nearly impossible. The "Goldilocks" only response, knowing that no matter what you do, with five major networks scrambling for ratings, there is always going to be someone, some "expert," claiming how it should have been done different.
It is nonsense.
This situation has been known for well over a month. The city tried to get the location moved to assist the police in an effort to have better control. A judge rejected that on Friday.
This clown Jason Kessler, the hate monger who is behind organizing this event here, has been at it for many months.
His recruiting all of these hate groups to descend on this town is an egregious attempt to incite a riot.
My reaction is because I saw what was done and I heard the pleas to get through it peacefully.
When I heard about the disgusting torch lit march through the University of Virginia grounds on Friday night, for no apparent reason other than to flame the passions, I knew these folks were up to a lot more than asserting free speech.
When I drove by the area at 9 or so, it looked like a war zone. Barricades and police lined up 20' apart with automatic weapons.
When I returned home through it at 12, the white supremacists hate mongers were marching to the protest site, and I could hear their chants and see their idiotic "uniforms."
The point is that if you orchestrate a riot, and seem to do everything necessary to ensure one comes about, you ought not get too critical of the way normal folks try to stop it.
One dead, 19 or so injured by a Hitler fan from 1000 miles away.
It could have been a lot worse, and I will join others in my area thanking our law enforcement people, for not going in there with the full force that could have led to a disaster.
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Fine, find a community that wants the thing then.
Actually, that's not a problem.
Different subject, but not a problem.
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I wouldn't want that trashy statue representing my community. If they can find a place to drag it, all good. Has any community offered to take it?
It doesn't represent any community, and it's quite a nice statue.
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Ya.
The smart thing to do would have been to open fire on gun toting white supremacists, and those opposing them.
No doubt that would have limited the fatalities to one woman killed by a vehicle driven by an Ohio punk who is a Nazi sympathizer, and a teen load of injuries.
They should have opened up on them, but they didn't because the police were "afraid of the guns," and "terrified."
Shooting makes so much more sense.
Fortunately, people who post such nonsense are not in a position to carry out their desires, and have little patience for hearing the other side of the story, which always takes time.
Fortunately for all of us.
Hurricane Thread --
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Posted · Edited by sherpa
For what it's worth, from a site I follow closely, the pilots site from my airline.
"Able to spend some time talking to son this morning as he can catch his breath for a moment after some challenging days flying SAR in Houston. He's a USCG pilot stationed in New Orleans and has been in Houston since last Friday morning. Felt great to hear his voice, knowing that he would be challenged as never before.
Heroic doesn't scratch the surface, and I don't mean that just for him, as a proud dad, but it's the only appropriate word to use for all the people stepping up in this disaster.
ATC--- to hear him talk about tower controllers at Bush and Hobby; I apologize for every time I muttered about a heading and a speed reduction. He could not say enough for what those folks did to keep A/C separated and provide timely information to task saturated crews. Son said it was the same voices on the radios for hours, probably trapped at the airport with families and property of their own to be concerned about.
Aircrews--- rescue swimmers, flight mechs, PJ', To hear the stories of what some did--impossible to convey here, but again, hero's every one.
Training---He said they've been crewed not just with other Nola crews but folks from Houston, Corpus, Miami. No problem, standard up and down the line.
Most of what he had to offer was praise for everyone involved, rescuers and victims alike. He's my first son, kinda quiet and unassuming. Today is his birthday, he forgot that till we wished him a happy one. Total rescues for he and his crews to this morning, 41 people and 3 dogs.
An unbelievable sight from the air, he said. Houston will be forever changed and I'm sure he will be too after these past days.
Prayers for all in the aftermath."
This is a pretty good country.