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So the best of the best of Allen as a player is better than Kelly. But as a career? Kelly has a better career to date. Allen has to play at his best for quite a bit longer to be in the HoF conversation.

The NFL mandates a vocal track, that includes Prince and Springsteen. The one thing you do get from both of those guys that are real is their guitar solos.

Personnel? OL, first and foremost. Philosophically, stop trying to score a TD on every single play.

I absolutely hate the "what if's". The Bills lost in the divisional rounds, they weren't 13 seconds away from winning the Super Bowl. There was another 2 hours of play after that to crown a champion. I am a firm believer that in order to get better you need to an honest inventory of the situation and 13 seconds away from a Lombardi is far far from that. I understand that we are fans, not employees or players. But it is something I whole heartedly subscribe to.

It feels like @FireChans is saying one thing and you are taking it and running too far with it. Favre is great. Had a great career. Belongs in the pantheon of QB folklore. But nobody is mistaking Favre for a top 5 QB. If you gave Belichick Favre, they would be a really good team still, and Favre might have a better career, but he still wouldn't be better than Brady That is what the comparison to Mahomes and Allen is. Allen is great. Love him. Love it. But ultimately Mahomes is the better QB by a wide margin, even in comparison to other great QB's. I think if Mahomes ended his career tomorrow he is likely a first ballot HoF'er. Allen would not be close. Part of that is environment, and part of that is the player. The current version of Hurts is going to hold the Eagles back once he gets his big deal. He puts his receivers in too many difficult positions. He has a lot of talent around him that makes up for that, but once he gets paid he will have to make due with less. Nothing I saw last night tells me he is capable of that.

I imagine there will be some swings as we get through FA and the draft. The Bills have Allen which will always keep them in the conversation. There seem to be a lot of up and coming young QB's, but the Bills have been a pretty stable org under McDermott. I think that will keep them ranked high among gamblers even though fans feel like we lost a few steps on KC.

I think it will take 2-3 season to reset the roster and lap the chiefs. They seem pretty cush with their roster, UFA's, and cap space for the next 2-3 seasons while the Bills will need to either borrow from 3-4 seasons away or take 2-3 to reset and regroup.

Big Josh Allen fan! But he needs to be better in a few areas if we are going to compete consistently with KC. Right now Mahomes is the best QB in the league by some margin. There is a second premier tier with Allen and Burrow some distance back. I think if Mahomes retired tomorrow he is in the HoF.

None of that is relevant. Nobody is arguing that Allen isn't the best player the franchise has had. This all started because I said that Hurts helps his OL by getting the ball out much quicker than Allen does. And you wanted to show me PFF that says our OL sucks, and now we are talking about Allen being the best player. You are just yelling at clouds dude.

Mahomes mentioned that he told the WR's at half time "Make them cover everybody". This is part of why Kelce is so good. Mahomes will throw the ball to any receiver, at any depth, on any route. Meanwhile we just heave the ball 30 yards down field to the same 2-3 guys over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I have a PFF membership as well. Do you or are you just regurgitating the tweet? I don't hate them as much as others, but they certainly aren't the bible either. I hope you two brought the same pro PFF energy when they said Allen sucked year after year. And stood so strong by them when they said he would not become the player he was today. There is room for a lot to be true. Allen holds the ball far too long, he is slow to read the field (especially against zone), and he regularly either looks past the guys underneath to throw the homerun ball. It doesn't do his OL any favors. Allen is a good QB who needs to be more decisive ANNNNND the offensive line can still suck.

Reids great. He’s had some success with less. But Mahomes is a special talent. McNabb was a quality NFL QB and Reid never got this kind of production from the position.

Him and his brother sound like they grew up in two totally different homes.

I don’t want to commandeer the SB thread, but I’d highly suggest people spend the $10 per month for NFL+. There’s an assumption that Allen holds the ball forever because nobody is open and that simply isn’t the case all.

Hurts is also much more decisive tonight than Allen. That’s certainly part of it.

I like McDermott. I think he’s a pretty good coach. But sometimes good coaches lose rosters and I think McD is really toeing the line. If he stays long term he’ll have to pull the team back.

I don’t think the Bills want trade Diggs. They won’t look to do so proactively. I do think Diggs might ask for one or force his way out with more temper tantrums. At that point the Bills will be in a tough spot. He’ll likely need a restructure to get out.

I think what you’re talking about was this past 2022 season…except we didn’t win…

I think we should probably start with the fact that Saffold is a FA. So the entire premise is we sign and package him for a 2nd?

Frank Reich is gainfully employed again. The question is, is Lamar old enough for Frank to want him on the roster? I think the Ravens do see him as a top flight guy. But Lamar’s contract negotiations haven’t been easy. They’re will to pay him a ton of money to stay long term, but Lamar wants more.

I think the Bills have the potential to be a bad football team next year. Not 5 win bad. But 10-7 is a real possibility. When you enter the 2022 season as such league favorites only to fall so flat, with so little in the hopper in terms of quality rookies, and absolutely zero cap space; you’ve made a number of compounding mistakes. Once Josh became Josh the bar was raised. The Bills are in completion with the Chiefs and right now the Chiefs have down a much better job of navigating the cap, free agency, and the draft. It really isn’t close.

MN is the only one with a QB not on a rookie deal or taking a massive discount. When Brady won his cap hit was high (the next year was $10M), but Evans and and Godwin were the 27th and 59th paid WR at the time. The rest of those teams have QB’s not getting paid. In the same year Diggs was 8th and John Brown was 22nd. Im not saying the Bills shouldn’t be upgrading their WR corp. They should. And they should do it through the draft, even high, that’s fine. We need depth players too., grab more late. But if fans(not necessarily you) really believe that either we need to spend Keenan Allen money and/or a healthy Keenan Allen isn’t actually good enough to be on this roster behind Diggs, we don’t actually have a WR problem. We have a QB/QB contract value problem.

We often force the ball to Diggs and look over open receivers in order to get him the ball, coverage be damned. Diggs is the 4th most targeted WR in the league. Justin Jefferson had the 11th most targets in league history this season. Cousins throws the ball in his direction about 1.5 more times per game than Allen to Diggs. JJ had a historical season for targets and Diggs is right behind him. Nobody is taking targets from Diggs. Diggs whining about it and us even entertaining it are wild.

I think that there’s a little bit of a storm brewing in Buffalo right now. If McBeane aren’t careful they could lose the roster and we’re starting all over with basically Josh Allen and nobody else. Between Diggs outburst and the fact that JB is reporting that Allen doesn’t like his OL, but hand picked his OC, if they string together a couple bad games early this whole thing could come off the tracks pretty quickly.

If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did.