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This is vague. I also don't know where it is coming from. As somebody who has dealt with the athletic dept. at each Ivy league and knowing what "big revenue" is for athletic departments, sports are not a big revenue generator. Endowments can have some difficulties being tapped into, but just to note, Harvard and Yale are 2 and 3 globally behind the Catholic church. That said, football and basketball are revenue generators in that they provide events for alumni to donate, but Ivy's don't generate much revenue at all with athletics. In 2018 Harvard took in $1.4 Billion dollars in donations. So their $30M in athletic expenses is a pittance. They also have a ton of head coaches and faculty that are more or less double paid. They get their salary from the school and their seat is endowed, so they get both. This is just a wildly incorrect statement.

I am a little meh on that. Just because I know schools are struggling financially, and football is seen as a quick fix. On top of that, not terribly thrilled with the reporting from the NFL. We have reports of a handful of players/coaches with COVID in the NFL. Peyton, Von Miller, and Zeke. The NHL, MLB, and NBA are at least giving total players infected. They are at about 30 each as of earlier this week. Just based on roster size and practice squads, the NFL should probably be in the 70-90 range, and that is giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Buff State Athletics seem to be unsustainable, and they reference that it is in line with NCAA and SUNY guidelines/mandates. Athlete tests positive, everybody they come in contact with is in quarantine for two weeks. https://coronavirus.buffalostate.edu/sites/coronavirus.buffalostate.edu/files/uploads/PDF/restartplan.pdf I read through the guidelines in the link below. Maybe there is something a little more authoritative out there, but I didn't see it. The link is not as strict as what Buff State is doing. http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/resocialization-collegiate-sport-action-plan-considerations

They are "trying" to get all the freshman on for the fall right now. But that has not been confirmed. Same for seniors. Everybody else is off campus.

I think it is probably best for teams to tell friends and family to watch from home. This whole thing seems to be held together with frayed string anyways. Why risk having your QB's wife around the environment and then taking anything home. Even if it is by happenstance.

I mean honestly, I don't know how this works. I couldn't imagine a solution that gets 1500 players, plus coaches and staff together, and completes 16 games while traveling to other states and co-mingling, playing, etc. Really, the only way I could see it working without a team or two having a total disaster (at minimum) is taking the entire league to Tokyo, repainting the unused soccer fields, housing everybody in the unused Olympic village, and not let anybody in or out for 4-5 months. (this will never happen) I just had this discussion earlier with a friend. But it seems like the NFL is not reporting active cases among players like the NBA, NHL, and MLB. Those leagues are 30+ players infected, which should put the NFL at 70-90ish. Outside of Sean Peyton, Von Miller, and Zeke, it is crickets. Hell even Clemson was like, "boy we are effed at the moment. Hid your kids hide your wife" If this continues, and there is a league wide outbreak because of lack of transparency, they might find themselves in the same place as they have with CTE, where they are actively suppressing information.

They didn't need any more words after this, other than not losing seniority/seats for not attending the 2020 season. We should all agree that having zero people in the stadium is without a doubt the "safest possible environment for spectators".

Agreed. Probably a rolling start to practice makes sense. 1st string comes in at 7. Field by 8. Quickly disinfect the room. 2nd string in at 8:30. Field by 9:30, etc. It would require additional investment in expanding the staff and cleaning attendants, but it is manageable, and insures that the entire roster doesn't cross contaminate except on Sundays. I guess it all depends if the Pegula's could afford to do that and maintain their families lifestyle...

Just applying the same logic we had here for 10+ years. Playoffs aren’t enough, especially in a league like the NHL. How long before the Sabres win a series in the playoffs? Not just make them. My guess is 3-5. Then we are at a half a generation of futility.

Not the worst idea ever actually. What if you just had a season long series of the old pro bowl skills competition. That could be the best/only solution to football this year. Sled Push, get one of those Cobra Kai wooden limbed dummies for hand technique for offensive and defensive linemen.

On my street growing up, a QB could take off after that. Works in Josh's benefit. Send everybody streaking down field, after 40 mississippis, he would have nothing but open field. Another important question. 2 completions for a first down?

It depends? How many Mississippi’s before you can rush the QB?

I agree to a certain extent in that it is not wrong, but I don't think this is a social media issue. It is important to note that because this is novel and rapidly spreading across the globe, the need for current information in order for communities to try and get ahead of things are/were important, rather than wait and continue spread. Sure we would like to wait for all the answers before we do anything, but it is clear that the way we interact needed to change rapidly, and without a steady flow of pieces of information, there would have been no way to know how to do that. There are going to be missteps because of how new this is for us, but the more information to save lives, the better.

Ugh. I don't know why I bother, this almost feels like a fake account and should be banned, but I think fact checking and not spreading false information is important. Released by WHO Jan 12, 2020. Yes, they reported they had not seen any evidence of human to human transmission in the first two weeks of the outbreak. But they also clearly said they need more information, and were adopting self-protection measures. At no point did WHO say this was conclusive. "The evidence is highly suggestive that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan. The market was closed on 1 January 2020. At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission. The Chinese authorities continue their work of intensive surveillance and follow up measures, as well as further epidemiological investigations." "Public risk communication activities have been carried out to improve public awareness and adoption of self-protection measures" "to date, investigations are still under way to assess the full extent of the outbreak. Wuhan city is a major domestic and international transport hub. To date, there have been no reported cases outside of Wuhan City. More comprehensive information and ongoing investigations are also required to better understand the epidemiology, clinical picture, source, modes of transmission, and extent of infection; as well as the countermeasures implemented." https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

Obviously in the pandemic, death is the greatest risk, but in regards to limiting the scope to performance and careers. I think the biggest risk is that too many players become relatively useless even after their two weeks of quarantine. Getting the virus and sitting in a cube all day doesn't effect a ton of your respiratory need (other than survival). But imagine that your respiratory system is what puts food on the table for your family. These guys are operating at razor thin margins. The difference between getting on the podium at the olympics and not racing in the final at all (thinking swimming, rowing, running, etc.) can be a fraction of a percentage in performance. So a player gets sick, they come back at 90%, that is the difference between being a HOF and not being signed as an UDFA out of college. 90% is generous as well. Based on conversations with friends at the Olympic training center, those effected are seeing 20-25% depletion in performance for months on end.

I don't have ESPN + so I don't know if they named each of the 50 people who voted, if you have it could you share the list? I do think you took some liberties here. By the same logic it could go the other way. They could have all been pro personnel scouts, GM's, CB's, and DE's. Scouts- Sure they are experts at college football, in that their job is to find talent at the college level that will translate to the NFL. Weird pigeon hole here. Still no votes. Players- Maybe I am making too many exceptions here, but a guy who is on an NFL roster has probably watched tons of NFL film on both sides of the ball. Probably as reputable a source as just about anybody. Still no votes NFL execs- I would hope they left out the VP of communications. But sure I guess it is possible. NFL execs also include director of player personel, GM's, Assistant GM's, etc. So sure maybe ESPN reached out to the guy who executes sponsorship, advertising, and social media. Maybe they are all execs from non-football ops and that is why Allen didn't get any votes. Coaches- You conveniently left this part out. But, based on your commentary on possibility for NFL execs, they were all probably special assistant to the long snapper. Both offensive and defensive coaches should be pretty in tune with QB play in the league. They are either watching film to get ideas, or they are watching film to stop them. Still no votes.

Honestly, I don't see a ton wrong with this list. Maybe Ben is a bit too high, running on legacy points. Maybe Josh could be in the Carr, Tannehill, Goff group. But other than that, it reads pretty close to me. What do I know though, I am just a dude with an opinion on the internet.

Nice to see this thread get kick started again. I started it months ago. With so much going on I would have to refresh.

Yeah. It’s on Amazon Prime. They have a bunch of seasons both NCAA and NFL. Think hard knocks but they follow the team during the actual season instead of training camp. The Arizona season with Ariana and Palmer is awesome. The Rams season was good. Jeff Fisher gets fired and they’re changing cities. Dallas was not that entertaining, too much Jerry Jones. Carolina wasn’t bad either. Highly recommend. I like it WAAAY more than Hard Knocks.

I don't either. I was more referring to playbook editing, game plans, how to manage the day. It is not real information, but he was weirdly leading every meeting on "all or nothing" on Amazon. Weekly staff meetings, coaches game planning, editing practices. Garrett was just sort of his gimp, sort of felt bad for the guy.

Hoping the NFL doesn't treat this like PED testing. Where clearly everybody is doing it, but a couple of guys get get singled out. MLB and the NHL are over 30 players. The NBA is getting close to that number. Both Outside of Von, Sean Peyton, and Zeke, I don't know of any or many others. The internet isn't showing much in regards to prevalence. All we are getting from the NFL is "Should players be affraid", "List of NFL Protocols" and "Can you play in the Superbowl if you test positive?" Given that roster size in the NFL is 2x or 3x those leagues, you would expect a number of 70+. That most likely won't happen. Part of the reason I shared the story from my friend earlier in this thread. Long and short, she is already an Olympic Gold Medalist, 4 x World Champion, and World Record holder. She got sick in late February/Early March. As of yesterday she is still struggling to get back to February fitness.

I shared it from a friend, so it wasn’t some random copy and paste internet troll story. The argument wasn’t that they should “be afraid”. The last part of her post is “please wear a mask”. There’s about 30 women at the training center. I know of at least 5 who got it around the same time. None of them have bounced back like yet. And none have stories of getting sick and moving on. Again, nobody is studying the effects on elite respiratory systems. Young healthy people shouldn’t be afraid they should die, but what you might call discomfort or difficulty for a few weeks, has a chance of being career altering for many others. Literally that’s the point of the post as it relates to this thread. Also, wear a ***** mask!

I was working on how to respond, but really the only thing you provided was “aggregate data”. You’ve offered no meat to any opinion. So I am just going to leave it to @Hapless Bills Fan Right? Unsure what the point is. We should start the season? We shouldn’t wear masks? Most of the 1200 people sitting in cubicles at Ingram are just a little more out of breath chasing their kids, so Stefon Diggs shouldn’t be worried?

Jerry’s failure is as owner. He can’t relinquish any control on game day, practice, play call, game prep. He’s done a good job at assembling a roster.