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17 minutes ago, Mango said:
Right?!?Hasek is at a Brady, Manning, Montana level of conversation.
Nobody thinks Hasek is an afterthought.
He is now. It was only after he retired did the hockey buffs really accept him as GOAT level.Just now, SMAKCruiser said:I must have a different memory than you but many thought Hasek was the GOAT while he played.
Maybe in Buffalo.
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18 minutes ago, Kaenon said:
Really?
Hasek won 6 Vezina trophys being voted as the leagues best goalie each time.
That's second only to Jacques Plante who has 7 and played in the 50s and 60s.
He won the Vezinas and Harts but he was not looked at in the same historical light as Roy or Plante or Sawchuk at the time.
Main reason was no cups. Second was being in small market Buffalo. And third was the European bias which was much stronger back then. Another reason is he came to the league when he was nearly 30 playing most of his early career in the Soviet controlled Czech Republic so his win totals weren’t high.
It was only after retirement did he start being seen as the #1 or #1A goalie of all time (next to Roy).
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17 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Not to derail the thread, but Luck is not a HOFer.
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1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:
I was actually looking for that but this one is from profootball reference and I don't see it. I'm guessing at least top 50
Appreciate you checking.
We’re starting to see that Allen is already at the Andrew Luck level, a guy people are already pushing for the HOF.
Allen keeps this up for 10 years and he will be remembered the way Hasek is in the NHL. Known as a great goalie during his time, but only appreciated as one of the GOATs after his career ended and people became gobsmacked after looking at his stats.
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Do we have the same list for total touchdowns?
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7 hours ago, Airseven said:
“Narratives”, “agendas”, “trolls”, “hate”, etc. are cudgels for weak-minded fans.
You’re a really obvious troll.
You should watch Einstein to see how to do it better. He at least pretends to be a positive fan sometimes. Mix it up a bit!
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BigDingus is a great username for the OP.
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1 minute ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:
"WHY CANT YOU BE AS UNHAPPY AS ME"
This isn’t a football thread, it’s a guy crying out for a therapy session.-
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54 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
This is a really weird narrative.
By your own standard you say 24/28 would be league average. Fine. Sounds about right. That's 85%.
Bass on the year is 22/27. That's 81%. Basically 2 kicks under par, so to speak. So 4% in your eyes takes you from "league average" to "truly bad"?
Now, I'll gladly admit Bass has had a down year for his normal standard. But the sudden talk this year of Bass being horrible are greatly over exaggerated.
On top of that he's 43/44 on extra points.
Nice rebuttal. I was thinking the same thing.
The logic he used to dismiss the OP he didn’t use to counter it. What he’s really saying is “negative situations are ALWAYS our fault. No excuses allowed under any conditions whatsoever.”
That’s what happens when people think with negative emotions instead of their brain or gut.
“No excuses” is an interesting argument. You notice it is a certain type of hard ass, not always bright type of fan that parrots this.
Basically there is truth to it. We all have independent agency to change our outcome in life. That sort of American pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality. But it’s never black and white.
Even the greatest men and women who ever lived had ups and downs. Life moves in cycles. Sometimes the universe punches you in the mouth when you least expect it. The sign of a great person at that moment is showing resiliency and getting back up and punching back. For these fans, the fact you got knocked down already means you lost.
Basically these fans lack the wisdom of life, despite whatever age they are. They don’t understand cycles, resilience, and the way of the world. I’d argue they have little victory in their own lives to understand what it looks like to win at this type of level.
There is a time and place for “no excuses” and “no moral victories”. But there also is a place for them when you fight your hardest against the flow of the river and come up short. Josh Allen’s career has been the epitome of this. He literally pushes against the walls of the matrix and causes glitches which are then seen in the strange narratives around him.
These concepts are simply over the poster’s head. That is why he had a blind spot to his fallacy that you called out and an emotional bias towards the negative.
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10 hours ago, Special K said:
Dicker the Kicker is pretty impressive....you know if he got another chance there was no way he was going to miss it
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13 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:
Miserable fans: Bills got lucky to win that close game!
Same miserable fans: The Bills can’t win close games!
You may note that many of these same fans complain after other blowout wins by criticizing timeout management or an Allen pick or something else.
What they’re really saying is that every game must be a perfect blowout like the Cowboys game. Completely out of line with the reality of football, even for dynasty teams of the past.
This is going to be a little deep but they are miserable because they project the same thought process on themselves. They must be perfect or THEY are not good enough. And since they’re clearly not perfect, that is why they are so miserable. They then project it on the team. And we look at them and wonder what the hell is wrong with them.
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7 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:
They gutted it out. I'll take any wins this time of year. Survive and advance.
To be honest, I wasn't a huge fan of the commercial free quarter. They just filled the time with collinsworth and tirico babbling or throw it to the studio to show the playoff picture for the 45th time.
Needed to plan those in-stadium breaks better for on-air content.
I love the concept. Intensity was high and reminded me of high level soccer intensity which is unbelievable.
But I agree they need better content between plays.
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Josh Allen Hattrick.
1 passing td
1 rushing td
1 Hail Mary interception
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Well thank God that nonsense is over.
Now let’s win out and not have to worry about these scenarios.
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48 minutes ago, Steptide said:
Off topic question, but what happened to all of Josh Allen's TV ads? Seemed like we saw them alot at the beggining of the season, but nothing lately
Wonder why they stopped running the Von Miller / Diggs ad too haha.
Advertisers were slow to include Allen because of the national narratives. It would only make sense they would be finicky if the Bills played poorly.
I do see him on many graphics on websites and so on, but those probably have a shorter decision cycle than TV ads.
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Recipe for Bills blowout tonight.
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I swear these people who keep saying “if X happens then we don’t deserve Y” have self esteem issues.
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39 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:
Can the folks in WNY verify any of this:
the rumors out there are that before the Bengals playoff game was when Josh’s girlfriend was breaking up/ moving out. Police were called to his house due to the fighting going on. Josh was physically and emotionally drained by game time….Steph Diggs knew this and was in Josh’s face on the sideline to get his head out of his but and lead this team to a win…
anyone know? Brother in police that was there, etc.
This was the rumor over the summer. The rumor actually started in OP and I know of people close to the department who confirmed it, but then again they’re not in the department so who knows.
On this site, even if it was true, nobody will admit it. Which is actually a good thing.
My thoughts are, there is probably some truth in it. But let’s move on. Anybody who has ever been in a toxic relationship knows that these things happen and are a part of life.
42 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:Can the folks in WNY verify any of this:
the rumors out there are that before the Bengals playoff game was when Josh’s girlfriend was breaking up/ moving out. Police were called to his house due to the fighting going on. Josh was physically and emotionally drained by game time….Steph Diggs knew this and was in Josh’s face on the sideline to get his head out of his but and lead this team to a win…
anyone know? Brother in police that was there, etc.
I’ll also add that events like this, and all the other difficult things that happened last year may have saved Dorsey’s job and took the miscroscope off him during the offseason.
At least until Diggs lost his cool during training camp.
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16 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I agree that Allen & Dorey were close and that Allen supported Dorsey being hired as OC. But IMO that is a long way from Allen demanding that Dorsey be hired. I believe that for a number of reasons this was Beans & McD's preferred option and decision
The obvious things that I have seen are Allen's emotions under Dorsey and after Dorsey was fired. They have significantly changed as has his style of play.
I read the transcript of the McD NFL channel interview and it was clear that McD was setting the strategic direction of the Bills offense and how Allen was expected to play going forward. In order for Bean to properly manage the Bills CAP (pushing Allen's money out) he would have been very supportive of this idea as he will increasingly depend on Allen having a long career (> 10 years) playing at an elite level.
Again, I don't think McD was calling plays or sweating the details of each offensive game plan but by all accounts he was setting the strategic goals for the offense and those included curbing certain aspects of how Allen played the game. Dorsey was trying to execute against McD's strategic vision of how the Bills should play offense and handle Allen.
My guess is that McD/Bean abandoned their restrictions on Allen running and other aspects of their offensive operation in the face of not making the playoffs and keeping their jobs. Perhaps Pegula played a role here? But even if their jobs were safe I credit McD & Bean to be astute enough to be flexible when it was obvious their goal for Allen & the Offense wasn't working.
What are your thoughts on the strategic vision remaining the same, except we now have a much more competent OC?-
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1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:
Thanks! I appreciate that! Looking forward to responding to some of the others here as well later when I have some time.
Been a Bills fan for decades, quit my second job in late teens, a week shy of my two year anniversary/vacation pay, just to watch a Bills game as they wouldn't give me it off. I showed them--that company never recovered (Wegmans).
But this Bills team, for multiple reasons, is the one I know best.
Curious as to what your take was on the stuff I said a little later this day and thread, on page 2, on what I defined as the vital elements of the new AD offense and defense, and so, what they would now become, and develop into, as a result now that they were on the right track. Do you think that those things are coming to fruition at a high level now? Do you agree that those are the vital things? I tried to define the type of team that they were when hitting on all cylinders, what it looks like, a month ago.
A great time to be a Bills fan; just wish all of the Bills fans were appreciating this, and not waiting until they win it all. The journey is the destination.
(BadOlBillz is just joking, trolling, right? No one can post that stuff in a serious way, actually believe it. Right? Ignorance at its worst if it is real, though.)
My sense is that the "big picture concept" that Brady is doing is the same "concept" that Dorsey tried to do but in an exceptionally incompetent manner.
What I mean by "big picture concept" is to transition our offense around Allen from one that Allen carries by himself to one that carries him and allows him to make great plays only when we need great plays from him.
Basically, we want to give Allen what Mahomes has had since his 1st day in the league. If you ignore the negative connotation of the top image, you'll see what I mean.
Mahomes has been carried by the amazing parts around him, which allowed Mahomes to max out his skills and make the great plays only when he needed to. Allen on the other hand, has had to drag the team around him to glory. You saw this at it's peak during the Daboll years where Daboll once ran Allen on a designed QB run during the Bucs, two plays after Allen injured himself. They were running him into the ground.
McDermott and Beane (correctly) made this realization and wanted a new OC who would bring this mentality to the offense. This is where Dorsey came in, and was given the assignment from the bosses, to create an offense that does not live and die with Allen's legs and heroics.
This was actually the right move. The problem was, as you noted in the OP and opened my eyes to, was Dorsey's extreme incompetence at play calling and preparation. The move was right, but the wrong man was given the job.
What we're seeing from Brady is the same concept as the image on the top that Dorsey attempted, but with solid (and growing) efficiency. This is why we are seeing the run game more, Kincaid more, and Diggs and Davis less. We're balancing out the offense the correct way, allowing Allen to use his legs, but not living and dying with his legs and arm like Daboll did. Dorsey unfortunately took some years off of Diggs prime, and may have ruined Davis mentally just as he was ready to breakout.
To answer your question succinctly, I think we want to build a team that can win with Allen as a game manager (like we saw against Dallas), while making the great plays when we need them (the way a true game manager like Purdy couldn't if the chips were on the table and a DE was in his face and his routes weren't ready).
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10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Did anyone not expect the offense to improve later in the season whether they changed play callers or not?
Dorsey began the season with a directive to not get Josh Allen beaten up.
They were playing "not to lose Josh" and just get thru these easy opponents offensively for the last month before Dorsey got canned.
And the reality is they do not have the talent at WR to just make their QB stay in the pocket with the way defense's are attacking big play offense's this season.
Dorsey's exit coincided with the team letting Josh be Josh. The threat of Allen using every skill at his disposal opens up the run game. The passing game is still out of sync and very punchless but now that every option is on the table they can look more like they have when they've played with desperation in the past.
This season is not just an extension of last season.......so much has changed beyond just the offensive play caller.
I have no idea what any of this has to do with the OP.
The entire fanbase quit after the Broncos game. The only person with hindsight issues is you.
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2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Your hindsight is 50/50.......congrats.
The team on the field now is not the same as the one at the end of last season..........the talent on offense is significantly better.......guys like Torrence/McGovern/Kincaid weren't with the team..........and the development of Spencer Brown and James Cook among others has been significant they weren't nearly the players they are now. And they've been healthier.
On defense they aren't just relying on Tim Settle and Ed Oliver to rotate as the 1 tech like they were in that Cinci game........Leonard Floyd and Rasul Douglas are big upgrades at key starting positions.........with the pass rush and LOS play improved the back 7 in general is more effective even though last years back 7 had Milano and Edmunds.
There is no doubt they were emotionally sapped at the end of last season and they also didn't have the horse's to overcome it against a strong Cinci team(unfortunately even with the Bengals OL banged up) like they did versus Miami the week before.
Look at the date he wrote the post. A few days after Dorsey was fired.
This guy made the best prediction I have ever seen a poster make on TBD.
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15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
I'm no fan of Dorsey, but this is an awful take.
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Josh Allen now tied with Troy Aikman for career Passing TDs
in The Stadium Wall
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He was known as great, but not GOAT. At least outside of Buffalo, in hockey history circles.