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13 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:
Congratulations to Josh!! I was engaged in him getting an MVP for his resume, but probably won’t care that much ever again. Lamar people caring so much about a third MVP when there’s been so little playoff success is weird.
Because the MVP is their Super Bowl. The trophies cover for the playoff choking. They can pretend Lamar isn’t a 9 Wonderlic run/pass option QB who only throws over the middle-
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1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:
I’m not sure you will have any answers either , but why is this the case though ? I don’t see this level of hate for anyone else in the NFL…even for the grubs who’s actions deserve it ..( Apart from D Watson) …A lot of the click bait media probably don’t believe what they write or say …but they seem to have a large audience that they are catering for who seem willing to lap it up..
JA has a life story that should be celebrated and he is one of the most talented players I have seen in my decades of watching the game …. so why the hate ? It’s not just salty Ravens fans either by the way before anyone points to this …
Because darkness hates the light. Whenever you see irrational hate, it’s because the darkness hates the light. -
2 hours ago, Success said:
I don't get some of the vitriolic reaction from people who thought Lamar should have won.
It's not a stats award. In reality, Lamar deserved it just as much as Josh - they both had amazing seasons. It was a coin flip, and even though it's not supposed to matter, I think voters probably considered the idea that Lamar would have 3 MVP's and Josh none, when they're both pretty amazing and have both been great for the league.
And this shouldn't matter either, but it's noteworthy - the Bills beat the Ravens in the playoffs, largely because Josh played an efficient game, and Lamar turned the ball over.
If Lamar won, I would have been disappointed, but would hardly have been able to say it was some sort of injustice. I really don't get why some fans are so up in arms about this.
It’s the Ravens fans.
All year the Bills fans have said “Lamar is great but Allen should win.”
The Ravens fans instead have an attitude of “Lamar smoked Allen in week 4. Allen sucks. Lamar all the way.”
They’re dumb, macho, ignorant, and in my opinion racist. They deserve to lose the game and this award.
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2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:
Oof that's certainly a way to perceive things.
I think it's fine to celebrate Josh Allen's professional sports achievements without saying he deserves it more than working folks who have remained resilient and optimistically obsessed (and willing to spend their money) for decades/generations with the Bills. That's just silly.
(And I do not care AT ALL that Allen didn't mention fans in his acceptance speech. He was nervous and emotional. It's not about recognition. Recognition is only monetizable for Allen. It's actually expensive for us fans, eventually, when he and the team have ultimate success.)
You watched that incredibly classy speech (compared to the 3 hour mess before it) and came away wondering why Allen didn’t thank the fans?
Talk about crabs in a bucket.
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17 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:
Florio is whining on PFT. Love to see it.
You know this entire thing is a joke when Kay Adams has a vote. Like she’s not being told who to vote for by her producers.
I feel good in that our NFL overlords decided to reward Allen tonight. Hopefully that’s a sign of things to come.
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3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
The NFL does not vote for these awards. They just host the show. The AP votes and determines this.
Yeah I’m sure there’s no influence there in anyway whatsoever.-
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Hamlin not winning Comeback Player this year or last year is a big fumble by the NFL.
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7 hours ago, Brand J said:
This author sounds like he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth, repeatedly dismissing playoff results as small sample sizes, but then agreeing the Chiefs have been the beneficiaries of good fortune when the games count.
EVERY mainstream sports writer working for a big outlet writes in this template when discussing “conspiracies”.
Title: “Are the Chiefs benefiting from favorable calls?”
“It sure seems like it!
Of course after further review this is not the case.”
It’s so consistent, it’s almost like they are told to write it this way by their editors. Pull the suspicious reader in, then plant seeds of doubt in their head.
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8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
I honestly wouldn't even start going there bro because you're going to get a message in your inbox from somebody telling you to to be quiet lol and not mention that
I wouldn't even go there my friend
Exactly my point.
But people don’t understand why refs wouldn’t talk.
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4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
So you think over 130 refs that compromise at maximum 17 crews a week are working with Goodell to rig the games for the Chiefs because of the Taylor Swift bump?
You’re creating an extreme straw man to not allow the moderate view to enter.
La Nova is owned by he who shall not be named. Yet they’re all over the Bills and Sabres. Why won’t anybody spill the beans?
Because institutions are complex.
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15 minutes ago, folz said:
Agree. I always thought the refs had it in for the Bills (especially against teams like New England, etc.). But the first time I actually questioned whether the NFL was actually steering games to get the outcome they wanted was Super Bowl XL (2005/2006 season). Jerome Bettis was playing in his last game (about to retire) in his hometown of Detroit. The NFL so wanted the storyline of The Bus riding off into the sunset in his hometown with the Lombardi trophy. Plus Pitt probably had a much bigger following than the Seahawks.
The refs literally took two TDs off the board for Seattle, both on horrible calls...and those were just the most egregious bad calls of many others. No doubt in my mind that Seattle wins that Super Bowl if not for the refs interfering.
I don't understand why they think they have to create storylines. It's similar to the Olympics now too. In the Olympics now, the tv coverage has all of these pre-packaged segments about certain (American-only) athletes that they want to promote or have sad storylines or whatever. They push certain storylines down our throats (and then that athlete comes in like 12th---and they barely even show us who actually won---because they're not American), rather than just letting the sports/events create the storylines naturally. And I'd bet that the stories that would come about organically would be just as compelling as any created storylines. I wish the NFL realized this. Let things play out how they are meant to and there will naturally be storylines to discuss, rather than trying to push so hard to make certain pre-planned stories to come about.
I think the NFL believes that having a dynasty team (like New England and now KC) is good for business. It breeds familiarity with the international crowd and now young female markets that they are trying to expand into. I think with NE, they thought having that dynasty built their business. Which I don't actually believe is true (or the main cause of growth in the league), so they wanted a new dynasty (KC). And they also knew that people will also tune in to watch "villains" in pro-wrestling too. I remember watching the Super Bowls of NE vs. NYG just hoping to see NE lose. I mean, we were all told that when free agency came about that that would spell the end of dynastic NFL teams. Yet, post-free agency, we have had the two biggest dynasties of all time. I mean, how does that happen? Are Brady/Belichick and Reid/Mahomes really just that much better than anyone else who has ever coached or played in the league that they could have dynasties during free-agency? Take away the help they get/got from the refs and how many fewer Super Bowls do they have? How about their overall record? Not only does in call the league into question, but it makes me question if any of these guys are actually even GOATs. Really good players and coaches, but would they be considered the GOATs if not for the refs/NFL help?
To me, the NFL has to go one way or the other. Either let us know that the NFL is like pro-wrestling with pre-planned storylines (entertainment only---the outcomes really don't matter) or bring integrity back to the game. But, somehow I don't think either of those things is going to happen. So, now I don't worry as much about winning a Super Bowl (if the NFL office decides, not the players on the field, then why get disappointed...it is a pre-determined outcome that we can't do anything about), so I just enjoy watching and rooting for the Bills and taking joy in the season and individual games and accomplishments rather than pinning everything on a Super Bowl win. Ironically, our best chance of winning a Super Bowl may be these next two years (as we move into our new stadium). The NFL really likes new stadiums. Sad that's how it is, but not sure I can be convinced otherwise at this point.
I think it’s a mix of having more control and having “higher goals”.
For example, having the narrative of their choice every year avoids a dreaded NFL situation where we have a boring Vikings/Darnold vs Texans/Stroud Super Bowl that would get lower ratings. Look at the NBA, they just forced a Luka Doncic trade to the Lakers so we’re not stuck with another weak Western Conference Mavs team vs a boring 3 point shooting Celtics team or God forbid the Cavs with no household names.
It raises the floor for ratings.
The other concept leads to bigger ideas. Have you been listening to Goodell this year? All he talks about is 18 games and expanding outside the USA. Nobody wants this, but it’s all he talks about. Refs get brought up and he mentions how great they’re doing. Completely tone deaf. Player safety? Ha!
Well what does Taylor Swift really bring? Young female attention. Go on espn.com and count how many Women Sports articles there are on the homepage vs Men’s. Far more than there is actual interest.
What they’re doing is building a new and massive market. Men are maxed out. If you don’t like sports as a man, you never will. But women are an untapped market. Start young, get them playing sports, get them playing flag football, get them dreaming about sports. Look at the “Roll Tide” commercials where the women is the knowledgeable fan dressed in baggy clothes with undone hair, correcting the man on sports knowledge. Runs perfect with feminist ideas. “Why can’t a women play sports? Why wouldn’t men watch women play sports? Why can’t a girl break gender norms and dream of being an athlete?” NFL headquarters loves that line of thinking. Let’s capitalize on it!
They are “priming” the market, as advertisers are taught to do. So it’s beyond TV ratings in 2025 and about merchandise and TV ratings in 2030 and beyond. That’s why Kelce and Swift. That’s why she just has to come on the field for photo ops when they win. Does Haile Stanfield and Allen do that nonsense? No, because that’s a real relationship that respects privacy and isn’t tacky. Swift and Kelce is perfect corporate synergy. Who hugs their boyfriend’s mother as much as she does? Give me a break.
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9 hours ago, reddogblitz said:
What technology? Can you be specific?
I’m hearing rugby has the tech already and it’s good.
The attitude should be “we’ll do whatever we can to figure out the tech.” Instead the attitude is very “ahhh it’s so hard, it sounds easy, but there’s so many impossibilities.” Blah blah.
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28 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:
Define elderly.
Walt Coleman etc retired a long time ago.
The average age of an NFL official is 51.
I don't see "elderly" officials. Maybe you could name 1?
Would young inexperienced officials be better?
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16 minutes ago, Logic said:
1. I am never team "the refs cost us the game". There are far too many plays, too many moments, and too many variables in a football game for it to ever be reasonable to say that the refs cost you a win with one or two decisions they made.
2. That 4th down spot was INDISPUTABLY an enormous moment in the game. As you say, there's no way to know what would have happened afterward, but the Bills were driving, up one, with a chance to go up by four, eight, or nine. Considering they lost the game by 3, any one of those scoring outcomes would have been huge. Momentum is also an undeniable factor, and that call undeniably swung it in the Chiefs' favor.3. Chiefs fans like to point out the "Bills had the ball with 3 timeouts and 3 plus minutes left, down 3". But there's a decent to good chance that the Bills WOULDN'T have been down 3 in that moment had it not been for the blown 4th down spot earlier. The butterfly effect of one call in a football game is ultimately unknowable, but the entire remainder of the 4th quarter likely would've played out differently. The Bills may not have NEEDED to drive for points at the end if earlier play outcomes and been called differently. That's the point.
It can simultaneously be (and, in the opinion of almost everyone, IS) true that:- The officials had several egregiously bad calls in a highly visible game, all of which favored the Chiefs, particularly in enormous, game-swinging moments, and it has soured a ton of NFL fans on the impartiality of the league. The Bills have reason to be upset.
- The officials are ultimately not the reason the Bills lost the game -- or at least not the SOLE reason. The Bills, at various times, were outcoached, out-schemed, and out-executed, and at the end of the day, the Chiefs did what they needed to do to win, and the Bills did not.
Our GM said as much in his end-of-season press conference. "Yes, the refs got those calls wrong, but no, that's not why we lost". Our HEAD COACH told the team prior to the game "we're not going to get the calls in this game, but we need to be able to play above it". They did NOT, ultimately, play above it, but the fact that the coach had to say that (and was right in saying it) speaks volumes.
The NFL has an officiating problem, and it has overwhelmingly helped the Chiefs this season. The ONLY people who refuse to admit it are Chiefs fans. Everyone else -- from fans, to play-by-play guys, to former officials like Dean Blandino, to analysts and journalists, to media talking heads -- can see it, clear as day.
Frankly, if things are this rigged, why would we say we were out coached?
What if they knew our plays and audibles? What if the reason Allen was so shook on the 1st drive was because the Chiefs knew our script?
Who’s to say it begins and ends with the refs?
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5 minutes ago, corta765 said:
At this point I have just accepted that McD will be the coach for better or worse. He it probably a fringe top 10 guy in the league which means he is better than a lot but when he has to go against a Reid or coach of that caliber we are immediately at a disadvantage. To me in general the coach gm org itself is fringe top 10 but Allen raises the boats, Pegula knows if he touches it he risks losing the winning even though you can see a change could help. IF they actually ever break through its going to be because Josh was perfect and/or the defense finally makes some plays with competent enough coaching. But I am now pessimistic of even that happening anymore.
You made the point with Levy getting out coached. I watched a thing on one of the two SBs vs Dallas and Johnson literally trained his players fumble protection and for defense proper technique to create fumbles. He excelled at even small things like that. Come SB sure enough it pays off for Dallas. Levy & McD are great leaders of men and macro mgmt type coaches, but the finer points slip when the details matter. Honestly Joe Brady regardless of the AFC title game showed more to me in terms of detail in his season and half then anything McD has done.
What in the world are people talking about. McD fringe top 10?
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6 minutes ago, quincy said:
Jim Nantz explains phantom flag call after Bills' final play
The "flag" is talked about after 3 minutes in the above video.
The narrative appears to be changing in the media that the referees/flags talk is somehow demeaning the Chiefs.
That "narrative" is sent to them from the NFL headquarters. That's why every sports show on every channel says the same things and has the same exact arguments at the same exact time. They get talking point memos.
26 minutes ago, alg said:Go back to the broadcast tape - the refs had a penalty flag queued up in case Buffalo converted the 4th. The flag mysteriously disappeared after the incompletion.
With the still pending need to score and that much time left on the clock, no way the NFL was letting Buffalo walk away with a victory.
Please note - I use the term NFL, not ref. New York is making decisions for THEIR entertainment product. Refs handle the small stuff, like f#cking over Buffalo's spots.
We were driving to win at the beginning of the 4th. It felt just like the Chiefs game earlier this year at Highmark. Up a point or two, ready to go up two scores and put the game away.
The team was flowing, we know exactly what to do on short yardage plays. But what do you know..... "Outcoached"
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1 hour ago, T master said:
And we can in some games say - Thank you refs !
If you look at the D we lose a player in Edmunds that is suppose to be this STUD but has no real relevant contributions, his replacement is MUCH better and is noticed in the first season, then the 2 best safety's in the league get older and need to be replaced, they get Von he shows real good then gets hurt and isn't the same which happens to a lot of younger players too when hurt in the same way , Millano one of our best players gets hurt it happens and takes time for him to come back , then we lose 2 seasons of one of the best CB's in the league in Tre da and have to put a band aid on that position for 2 seasons .
So just maybe it's circumstance ??? But no one here seems to take ANY of that into consideration, Oh it's the Coach, it's the scheme, it's this, it's that, if all of the stars align and none of this type of thing happens where do you think the Bills are then ?
Every body says and it's true, it happens to every team and you need really good depth players which is true, but replacing all pro's, and pro bowl players then those being 3 & 4 at a time being taken away due to injury is in some respects hard for any coach or team to over come yet McD always seems to over come them and gets the Bills in the play offs .
But he sucks Fire him ...
The truth is McD has maxed out the team's performance every year since 2017.
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4 minutes ago, Einstein said:
No.
There was no quick answer on that play. Which is part of the reason why i’m so upset with Brady about it.
The play is the same tired mesh-concept he has run on 4th down all year. And because it needs a pick in the middle, it takes 2-3 seconds for the play to set-up.
It is a play that REQUIRES time. Otherwise the pick doesn’t happen and no-one gets open.
The only outlet Allen had was Shakir. And if he threw it, Shakir likely gets blown up a yard or two before the line-to-gain.
Allen took the best possible option by throwing to Kincaid. It was the best choice based on the available options.
It’s disgusting, isn’t it? Makes me angry just reading the posts.
Allen will do 98.5% if things right, and then people will nitpick the 1.5% he didn’t do perfectly.
Especially when Mahomes did maybe 90-95% of things right.-
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3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
yea, we are watching what may be the best ever and people are nickel and diming single reads to say it was him.
sure he mishandled a snap. The last two weeks his opposing qb lost fumbles (2 time mvp and possibly the goat). Even his mishaps right now are smaller than the best the league has
Agree with everything you said, but we should ask ourselves very closely about who or what makes a GOAT before we use that word too loosely around the Chiefs. Especially after the stats you read off about Allen. -
2 hours ago, Neo said:
I have no doubt that unsatisfying arrangement is true. I prefer my errors be kept private, too. I’m musing. I would love to see a “Go ahead, fine me. Here’s what the league said” moment. You can be accountable, or you can go with the flow knowing the league prefers you do just that. I’m not fooling myself. I’m saying “Big Baller Beane” leaves me a little unsatisfied.
In the words of the great philosopher Shania Twain, “that don’t impress me much.”
It’s not about getting a fine. They can ruin your career. You don’t get against the Shield.-
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We could’ve won the Super Bowl 2020-2024.
What we need is the refs to start favoring us.
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1 minute ago, Andrew Son said:
There's a reason the conventional wisdom is that you can't blitz elite QB's because they will make you pay.
You can always bring one more defender than the protection can pick up. That's not the point.
Free rushers come all the time and elite QB's have quick answers. That is simply not Josh's strong point, he loves to hold the ball. People get so enamored with all these amazing backyard playground plays and hurdles. I get excited when the back foot hits the ground and the ball comes out on time within the structure of the offense. Everything doesn't have to look so ***** hard.
Torrence blew both blocks. That 4th and 5 was way worse than anything Mahomes deals with.1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:He scored 29 points and Kincaid dropped the ball. I don't understand you ppl.
Go watch Eli Manning in the super bowls, go watch troy aikman in super bowl 28
Go watch Big Ben in the 10 AFC championship
Everyone around the QB raised their level of play
The fans have no answers. So they just try to blame the leaders.
The game was won when we were up 1 and driving in the 4th quarter to take an 8 point lead. I know this team and I know we would’ve scored that TD and started to put the game away.
Then the refs and NFL screwed us.
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2 hours ago, billsgpr88 said:
Whether or not Bills fans agree with its implications, we’re all familiar with the image: Josh Allen on the sidlines, eyes glazed, staring into the distance. I recall seeing it in the horrendous Jaguars game a few years back (in Jacksonville iirc, not the one in England), in his first playoff game against the Texans, and now in back to back playoff games against the Chiefs. It doesn’t happen often, but it always seems to foreshadow a Bills loss.
I love watching Josh Allen play; having watched nearly every game during the drought, I could never say enough about how he has uplifted the organization and the community. I’d argue he means as much or more to Buffalo than any athlete does to their respective team in American sports. He’s the most important individual in the building, and it’s not even close. The issue is, he knows it. He knows about the superbowl losses and the drought, and how desperately Buffalo wants one, just one, Super Bowl victory. And I believe this is what weighs on his shoulders every time I see that absent-minded stare from the sideline.
I’ll always root for Josh; he’s almost beyond criticism, knowing how much he does to win, what he’s already accomplished in his career, and especially for being a genuinely great person and leader. But, when I see that stare, I immediately get the sense that the game is over. We can point to specific plays, bad calls by the refs, poor coaching, or simply talent, but Josh is the unquestioned leader of the team, even more than McDermott, and I think when his teammates see that from Josh, they feel it, and their confidence is drained from it. And the worst part is that it keeps happening against the chiefs in the playoffs, and with each year the pressure is amplified. Although he played pretty well overall against the chiefs, he didn’t display that heroic, game-dominating mentality that was on display against the chiefs in the regular season game. As much as I hate to admit, I felt the Bills would lose last Sunday as early as the first quarter, though I didn’t initially realize why. Now looking back, I am convinced it is the thousand-yard stare that reveals how overwhelming the pressure is to be the savior of the Buffalo Bills.
It’s the stare of a man who gave everything he had, felt he did enough to win, and doesn’t understand why he didn’t win.
He's going to do what he always does which is find a way to somehow get even better and give it all again next year.
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8 hours ago, Big Turk said:
This is exactly what I was saying...it wasn't just on that one 3rd or 4th down play, it was throughout the night. Nantz was incredulous by the 3rd quarter as to why the refs kept marking the Bills short when he would call first down. Happened at least 7 or 8 times. Never seen that happen as frequently as that game...it was ridiculous.
What really sketches me out about it was that THIS was the game that our tush push was figured out.
The game that everything was wrongly called short of a 1st down.
What a coincidence. Just like 2020 AFC Championship happened to be the game that the refs stopped calling defensive holding. How fortunate for the Chiefs! How lucky!
5 hours ago, ShakAttack said:As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.
KC's players and coaches are very chummy with the refs before the game.
It's very difficult for me to believe that refs are intentionally making these calls, but I do believe the Chiefs are intentionally playing the refs to the point they are basically considered "buddies" by the refs. And that is leading to subconscious favoritism toward the Chiefs in those borderline call situations.
And after all, it's human nature to favor your friends in difficult situations, whether you realize you're doing it or not. For instance, I'm watching the 4th and 1 play in the mic'd up video, and as soon as the play is over, the Chiefs are so animated about stopping us short; they have NO DOUBT. I didn't see that from the Bills, even though we clearly DID get the first down. These guys are in the refs heads whether the refs are aware of it or not! They are doing this right in front of the refs. And yes, I know that happens a lot anyway, and I know the refs are "professionals" and trained to be neutral, not swayed by the players/coaches, etc, but when you look at how friendly these guys are with the refs before the game, and if you think back to a situation in your own life when your best friend is making their case to you about something important, aren't you typically biased toward them? In contrast, if a JAG (let's say) is in your ear about getting a call wrong, who cares? Who's that person to you anyway? Doesn't quite have the same weight as Mahomes being upset, does it? (from the ref's perspective)
The ONE time I recall the Chiefs experiencing a decisive call that did NOT go in their favor was the Kadarius Toney "offensive Offside". And even though it was the correct call, we all saw Mahomes throw a tantrum on the sidelines and continue this hissy fit during the post-game press conference. It reminded me of, dare I say, someone that had just been betrayed by a good friend? And was in complete and utter shock that this friend actually had the nerve to do it?
Could it be, that ever since that incident, these refs decided they did not want to cross the Chiefs again? They did not want to interfere with "greatness" again? Boy, I mean, if PATRICK MAHOMES is treating you like his best buddy, wouldn't you feel honored? Wouldn't you feel, maybe even slightly (because that's all it takes) that you don't want to be the one to let him down? Or Kelce? Or Swift? Or hell, maybe even Chris Jones?
I just think, if this was being done purposely, the optics would be a little different. Instead, these terrible calls seem to come in the form of being favored any time there is a "borderline" call. And even when reviewed, they refuse to overturn it, especially in the playoffs.
Listen, something is obviously going on here, because it 100% can't be coincidence that throughout this entire season, every decisive flag thrown by a referee has gone against the Chiefs opponent and NOT ONE has gone against the Chiefs. It just has to go both ways sometimes, but it doesn't? But does that mean they are intentionally rigging it? I just don't know. To me, it seems more realistic that they're doing it subconsciously, but the Chiefs, on the other hand, are fully aware of what they are doing and they are 100% intentional about going out of their way to buddy up with these refs...
I’ve seen games where Reid ignores refs and Mahomes bumps into their shoulders as he walks off the field. I’ve seen Chiefs WRs taunt to the crowd behind a ref as the ref is staring at him two feet away.
There’s a strange disrespect of the officials if you look closely. The way you would dismiss a subordinate.
Josh Allen in the NFL Hall of Fame
in The Stadium Wall
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If the playoff games are truly tilted like everybody suspects, Josh Allen might be the greatest NFL player of all time.