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Ok Dank ok. LOL yeah your right my bad. Before I condemn open public gang bang rape by mobs of men I better take a look in my own backyard. Spontaneous women beating is fairly common here. Seriously Yusuf al-Qaradawi has been ranked #3rd most influential academic living. Guy has a reach of influence that extends into the 10s if not 100s of millions. He says it's ok to beat your wife and encourages female circumcision. Not to get into it (since we aren't discussing it) but also if you are gay you get the death penalty, and suicide bombs on Israel are just great, the more the merrier. Now I'm not saying this man is like every man over there, or even most. I'm saying, he's #3 on that list and his audience isn't exactly Orange County. A quick wikipedia search shows 40 million people watch his broadcast show.

I still don't see how you continue to put words in my mouth. My stance is simple, accountability. That was and is the unifying theme of my posts and my opinion. The "culture" over there (and yes it includes what a significant amount of radicals teach as Islam) is terrible when it comes to women. They are also crazy antisemitic. That's why you have a mass of 200+ people reportedly participating in stripping a white women, and beating her with a flag pole while yelling that she was a Jew and doing God knows what sexually to her. Your "position" that it's all individuals committing criminal acts is nice. But over here if an individual does this the 199 guys standing next to him don't join in. There's a CULTURE of civility that permeates our society. It's taboo to harm women. It's taboo to be racist. Ect....I still don't see why (other than digging in after having attacking me for what I'm pretty sure was originally just based on other arguments) you continue to hold such a ludicrous position. I mean...you are basically denying the culture problem in that region as it relates to women. It's insanity.

Also I love how, just like every other idiot like yourself, you say nothing. You start talking about he Koran and things off the wall. The issue is simple. What is your stance? Are you seriously sitting there arguing over the course of 3 pages to reject the idea there's problems over there with this. This was just an isolated incident, not representative of societal ills over there. That's your stance? You expect to be taken seriously? What you need to do is just admit you are wrong and you started off in the first place simply b/c you don't like me so yo figured you say whatever and there was a nice little retarded PC argument for you to make. It was retaliation for the dumb cellphone driving debate in the chat box...a debate btw that everyone against me at least came to understand my point by the end (except you).

Wrong. And, irrelevant I'm sorry I even went there. I don't even care about the Koran or religion. It's the region period...there are a million reasons people are the way they are over there. The macro-culture has massive room for improvement. Sorry you beat your wife.

Keep typing enlightened one. Reading the Koran is going to change what? History? It's going to somehow undue the events of the past 1000 years in the middle east regarding women?

Some people actually deserve to be Bills fans and you are one of them.

The most recent 60 minutes had a cool story on "The Spark" (the dude in Tunisia that lit himself on fire in front of the government building that corruptly took his fruit weighing scale and demanded a bride to give tit back). Not saying that's why it happened just saying it was a cool story. I would say these uprisings would have happened anyway, independent of our action in Iraq and Afghanistan. No way to know though.

B/c you don't listen to what people say. You don't think. You don't try to understand what or why someone thinks the way they do. It's pretty much pointless to communicate with you. You have an impression of what I think and say, and that's all you need. Yes, I stereotype all of the middle east as a result of the isolated incident that happened here and I believe that stereotype is absolutely true. This is what I said and still say. [note: massive sarcasm] EDIT: BTW if you reject the generalization that the middle east has major problems [in general] with the way they view and treat women then you are a fool who is either so PC he's blinded himself or just a crazy misogynist yourself. I don't see how you know anything about "the subject" certainly not more than me. If you reject the use of generalization to begin with you are impossible to talk with. Yes, there are Americans who are crazy conservatives and would like to propagate Muslim hate. Congratulations for pointing that out. That has nothing to do with anything. Certainly not the FACT that these things happen...multiple times...with publicity...and it's not stopping. It's ingrained in the culture. If you feel different you are wrong. Think what you will, I'm not a crazy radical. I don't hate Muslims. I feel the way I feel. And you are wrong. But you can sit there just reflexively call anyone with negative things to say about Muslim men ignorant. That's a quick little thing people like to do with all subjects...assume someone is not reasonable before listening to them and just act like some elitist. Makes you look ridiculous to me.

This is exactly why you can't be talked to.

Anyone notice David Nelson is tweeting out of control about Sanders? 40 minutes ago he tweets: "#SanderstoBuffalo #SanderstoBuffalo"

Of course it can and it will. It's ingrained in the culture it will not die. The women will rise up eventually. I don't know if it's going to be soon as a result of the various revolutions but one day they will. And then even extremists will be forced to publicly denounce the various female oppressions. I just wish they would have a secular revolution. Worry about this life. Take a little more responsibility. Try and build a better region.

People are just ridiculous and Tom is no exception. You can't say anything to people like that. Everything's a racist remark or a sign of xenophobia or it's ignorant or hateful if it's negative coming from an American's mouth. There's no judging allowed...what gives us the right? LOL Of course you are right. Of course the culture allows this to go on over there. It's a fact. It happens. It's reported. And even Tom must be aware of it. But NO NO NO...can't judge it! That would cast a negative light on them! Then every Egyption is a terrible person b/c apparently you can't make any form of generalization without implying you believe it to be absolute truth! This is the way people are now! It's great! When it comes to most people...you simply can't discuss things!

I have absolutely no idea how credible this is. But this article says that apparently the details may have been beyond horrific. I won't even quote it but the link is there. Shocking claims I hope it's totally wrong. http://wizbangpop.com/2011/02/18/the-controversial-and-shocking-details-about-the-lara-logan-attack/

Wow this is kind of surprising. And dissapointing. ...oh i see it's still on Melo...saga not over yet

This just has Alabama written all over it IMO. This is hilarious. Here he admits to poisoning the tree on a radio show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm8AqL9FV-o I think this lead the police to investigate and sure enough he was telling the truth. Tree was poisoned and now he is arrested! LOL http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/17/alabama.auburn.trees/index.html

Tom, I probably couldn't have been more clear my stand is to hold the region accountable, period. The representation being that this sort of thing happens, which is not in dispute. Bottom line is, you are the largest a-hole on this board. But no, a stance that a 200+ mob inflicting a "sustained and brutal beating and sexual assault" on a white women while screaming "Jew! Jew!" is unacceptable is clearly not a rational one. It was just an isolated incident not representative of any cultural or societal ills...she was just around the wrong random 200 people lol. Anyway the main thing about this story is the cryptic language they used to describe it. You know they must have thought about how to phrase this (given they sort of held it close to the vest for a while)...and this is what they came up with? I mean...the worst part of this is the mental gymnastics the description causes...I mean WTF...talk about imagination inducing language centered on something you don't want to imagine...

Together they combine to be a representation and that's my point.

What pisses me off is everyone is so quick to defend this stuff over there. Not specifically the acts, but the region. Always saying "oh it's not all like that" and "oh, it's their culture" ect....as if there is no wrong or right in this world everything is just "out there in the ether" and "who are we to judge." LOL Mark my words, there will be people defending Egypt on this...not the individuals who did it...but talking about how that isn't a fair representation of Egypt and all this. It's hilarious. I wish for once in our country a leader would come out and call out the entire region and RELIGION that consistently allows this to happen. I don't care what anyone says the "culture" and "religion" if not sanctioning this in certain instances certainly creates the atmosphere that induces this behavior. A western leader needs to call the whole thing out and do so in a candid and meaningful way. Let them know...the ENTIRE CIVILIZED WORLD THINKS YOU PEOPLE ARE SAVAGES. AND THOSE WHO AREN'T BUT LIVE BY THE OTHER SAVAGES...DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Yeah...I'm talking about on the way home after the work day. There's people EVERYWHERE it's packed...in fact the people that do this are "racing" towards backed up traffic anyway and there's people in all of the lanes everywhere. No joke I see at least one accident every day, if I don't...it's the exception. And it's b/c of people like this. I'm not talking about being on open highway blocking someone. I'm talking about people not realizing there's insane traffic and riding your ass at 75 b/c they want to go 90 at freaking rush hour. I'm talking about insane drivers.

Man I heard on the news last night that as the mob of 200+ crazy Egyptions turned on her they were chanting "Jew! Jew!"....wtf...apparently they don't know what a freaking Jew looks like. It doesn't look like a that. http://www.sistertoldjah.com/archives/2011/02/16/lara-logan-attacked-because-she-was-jewish/ This picture was taken moments before her attack: Someone should hunt these bastards down.

When you do please dangerously ride their ass while you both go 75...

She was admitted to a US hospital upon returning home.

It should be the law than when you are cruising at a speed that is significantly faster than the limit and appropriate for the fast lane and a car comes up on you quickly and rides your ass while you are both going 70...you can pull out a gun and kill the other driver.

I doubt they would call it a brutal and sustained beating if it was a knock on the head and a boob grab...I also doubt it would take her days in the hospital to recover. I don't care what western culture thinks about equality we can't dump hot white women into a mass of mid-eastern misogynistic maniacs and expect nothing to happen.

As an general rule our organization does not prefer to do anything that is plainly in our best interest. We must be tricked into it if we are ever to amass talent.