dayman

But seriously in a non-combative way I'm just asking (since this seems to be an issue for you) it's a simple question and I may well be wrong on it. But the basic equation is that we have things we need to do within the next 20ish years anyway everybody agrees on this, and we can do it cheaper than ever if we do it now, and it requires us to pay people to do it now when unemployment is an issue conservatives and liberals alike agree on...so why is this a political or ideological debate? What is the deal? How can a rational decision maker not come to this conclusion is what I'm asking? Raging about the debt is popular...but is it rational?

And just to go ahead and reveal where I'm tempted to go with this....I know this is a democractic talking point but we do have infrastructure and things we can do even if we don't have to do it now we will need to do it in the next 20ish years and probably can never do it as cheaply (at a profit?) as we can now. Plus it puts people to work and would help spur the economy. So my basic question is spending money you don't have is bad I get that. But ... would any business man not look at this and see gold? Do the facts support this "Obama spending like a maniac" pitch as a bad thing? Should we not be borrowig by issuing treasury bonds like drunken sailors right now to spur us in the short term and build for the long term at rates that look amazing? As a "business guy" would Mitt Romney not get this? Rape Europe while they are down b/c they may pick themselves up soon or later? Strike while the iron is hot?

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/pages/textview.aspx?data=realyield I know I know...don't spend money...but are people paying us money for the privelege of holding their money right now b/c the rest of the world is so !@#$ed? Will we ever be able to invest in ourselves the way we can right now? I'm not finance or economy guy, so I'm not trying to make a point here. I'm just asking is this normal? All those negative signs...seem...good to me...am I an idiot?

Haha, fair enough appreciate the honesty. I'm just saying I understand the "I hate Obama" argument somewhat. It's the other part I want to hear about. The "Romney for President" part is important to me if I can even consider voting for him.

You don't have to respond man lol. It's ok. I'm just saying...he's on the ballot now and it's getting close...time to give some serious thought to the choice (which I will and always do despite not liking the GOP the last few years) what should I think about? Why vote for Mitt Romney? I'm not even saying this as a political attack or some snarky comment. I'm just saying...there are quite a few posters here supporting him. What's up? Why vote FOR Mitt Romney? That's all I'm asking.

so sell me on Mitt Romney

Just trying to put my finger on it. What is it if not that, that makes you love Romney? And if so, what the hell is it Romney is going to cut or rework so much to slash enough what with this anti-tax trend he's hostage to? And if this is not it at all...what is it? Basically...sell me on Romney. And just stay on point...sell me on Romney. Don't talk about anything else.

Just saw this today. I denfinitly could climb out of that IMO.

Ok not "cool" just...anythign remotely worthy or praise I should say. I don't mean I thought he was cool, I mean I thought there were redeeming qualities of any type. That is to say I was cool w/ him ... to be clear.

Guys I'm going to admit for a while I thought Axle Rose was cool. I was wrong.

This is a bad interview. Not really either mans fault this is just boring. Ok Mitt's wife talking about dating other people while he was in France spreading Mormonism was pretty great.

Look when he goes to Israel he's not going to talk foreign policy? When he meets with British intellegence (assuming that's what the articles said IDK I didn't click them) he's talking about horses? It's fine to not critize Obama "on foreign soil" if that means anything this day in age (which I don't think it does). But you can still talk. And if we don't want to undermine the president too badly it's not being physically on foreign soil that matters it's saying ridiculous things in the globally accessed media. In any event Mitt just dropped a Rubio comment. Hints? Maybe..

Not a big fan of the gun discussion put forth by Mitt but he said nothing I wouldn't expect him to and most people on the board would take his side so rather uneventful first session.

Foriegn soil doesn't matter there's a little thing called the internet. He's speaking to Pierce Morgan. And he doesn't comment on foreign policy period b/c Americans don't care about that.

So if we don't give tax breaks to companies that set up shop here and stop giving them to those going over seas we have $25 lettuce. I get it now.

It will be on Morgan tonight. As to where it took place...don't be a fool.

I guess he wouldn't even talk about foreign policy at all in the interview he did w/ Pierce Morgan that will air tonight.

Milk? Just drinking milk? What is this?

Why do you disprove specifically? Romney is running a campaign to be POTUS and he basically hasn't articulated a response to that I consider legitimate. That's concerns me. What would you have him say to win your vote?

Go. I don't know how it hasn't been clear. I don't understand what you are talking about or how it relates to what I'm am talking about. Explain. To be clear I am asking you to explain yourself so we can debate what is at issue...the outsourcing/insourcing tax policy.

I'm going to be honest you are proving to be everything I suspected you were trying to be initially. Retarded. I'm not trying to be offensive...but I type what I think. You can type in response whatever you want and convince me otherwise. You are a free poser. And just to be clear why I say that from my point of view I say: "trade the outsourcing bill and maybe a compromised disclose act for the tax issue" and you say "how do we export inflation and we are a Keynesian nation now" and then don't elaborate. So that's what I see. Maybe I'm missing something. I'm here to discuss. But discussion requires some sense of linear discussion.

Tie this to tax breaks to companies that bring jobs in, and not taxes on exporting companies but just the elimination of tax breaks to those companies. Then maybe I can take a guess. Or you could just cut to the chase and tell me how this ties in, in your opinion. B/c...I'm not really talking about Keynesian economics. If I should be and am not....tell me why. B/c I don't know.

Fair enough, not everybody has to care. IMO most should and when it comes to the POTUS this is basically the threshold qualification. If you haven't paid too much attention the last 2 years...you have some reading to do. Most people supported the war. I did. A lot of people opposed the surge. I actually didn't. But it doesn't matter. The apology tour is BS you listen to Rush and Hannity too much if you buy into that but I'm not going to change your mind so we need not get into that. Point is...the things that come out of Romney's mouth on the rare occasion he has to talk about foreign policy (basically debates only and on occasion campaign speeches to a bunch of people who clap at anything) suck...and when anyone asks anyone from his campaign to elaborate they pivot to the economy. It's not as though asking isn't justified. It's not as though this is your taxes ... this is the primary thing you are trying to get our vote for. This is the Presidency more than any other thing.

BTW whenever you get around to it this will probably be a campaign issue, this bill. So I am being serious when I say if there is some great point I should consider I haven't...I'm all ears.

And I do get that. As a nation...as nation states all around the world...there are people from our country and all others who have been studying and negotiating this stuff for decades. And while there is sometimes and opportunity to shift directions...there is rarely an opportunity to reverse course. So...even given the election...why oh why do the things that come out of Romney's mouth kiss the ass of xenophobic ignorant America? Are we to believe this is what he thinks? Are we thinking Americans supposed to say "I get it, he needs the redneck vote. It's ok I won't hold him to it." It DOES hurt America either way. It really does IMO. We need people running for POTUS to speak intelligently to the people on this stuff. I don't dislike McCain. Hell I almost voted for him. But honestly...his Syria speak is just cringe worthy. And the idea of "American exceptionalism" is something all Americans...Democrats and Republicans alike agree with in terms of us being special in various ways....but that term is actually a foreign policy doctrine which a lot of AMericans DO NOT LIKE and that doesn't make us less-American. The world is pretty crazy right now. And when people ask Romney and his campaign to get into it...telling us "People don't care about that it's about their money" isn't the answer a person trying to be Commander in Chief should give. And if you can't give specifics without basically saying "Obama hasn't been that bad" then SO WHAT. SAY THAT. You will actually GET VOTES that way believe it or not. your base isn't going to run you might just educate them a bit.