dayman

Haha, bipartisan no wives bill passed on the PPP. Ann was lovely, no issues with her...but c'mon man they're obviously "behind their husband" no need to force each one to prove it publicly. Anyway, main event...Chris "the steak" Christie on next Chris...I know you are a NJ republican but...Mitt is from Mass and he's giving more than the keynote....he's got ya beat

lol 3rd moved by Ann Romney? You care about politicians wives? (btw Ann is perfectly lovely I got no issues just saying)

All politicians should get together and say "wives don't have to do this"... not that this is bad but wives should be allowed to do nothing including once they get to the white house.

Santorum channeling his inner Biden here " I SHOOK the HAND...weathered HANDS of farmers"

Hope you saw the post in time to hear your idol Cantor speak hehe Santorum on stage now hehe...love to see it

If it's something that really bothers you...you can: http://www.baqi.tv/2011/10/watch-fox-news-live/ And speak of the devil...Cantor himself on right now

It's the opinion of a lot of people...macro economic advisers, moddy's economy.com, IHS global insight, JP morgan chase and goldman sachs, the CBO itself...you prove it didn't. In any event though we can just pick up stimulus after lunch tomorrow let's get in the convention topic and talk about today.

Welcome to future. Enjoy it, even though you didn't build it. Thank Al Gore and go about your day hehe

I like how I'm here watching Fox and you sitting at home watching...pbs...wtf is going on.

Obama helped the economy w/ teh stimulus. Yes I know you believe we should have done nothing in '09. I think you are crazy but we operate of a different set of facts (more common these days than either of us should be comfortable with) so we'll leave it at that. What the GOP on the Hill did was, as much as you guys say Obama blames others, is refuse to play the game of doing anything in a time of crisis to keep their hands clean so they can now turn around and...balme...point at a ridiculous counter at their convention and pretend that if only we had done nothing and cut taxes we would be better off...when we did something that helped AND cut taxes more than ever at the same time. WE've been cutting taxes forever...clearly that's the answer. The entire position is political...and it's converting a new line of people to believe the smoke. I don't care if people hate Obama and vote Romney...but going trend is the most destructive political trend we've had in a while. It led to the recent incarnation of a do nothing congress oddly enough in 2012...we did nothing for 2 years and the economy still faltered so obviously doing nothing is a great idea..if only we had that Congress after 08....it led to things like the debt ceiling debacle...it led to pulling the GOP more right which I guess is a success to some...it led to congressional control of the house which people like I suppose...the point I'm making here is your conservative political stunts are reality to too many people...and it's taking us in a crazy direction. And btw my actual point (even though you can't help but get into the stimulus to talk about it) is just that Cantor is a political hack. So that's really what I started talking about and was ultimately talking about this discussion...though it got messy.

What are you doing man just get to prime time and watch live. I'm watching Fox let us be real this is the GOP convention there's only one way to consume this. Primetime fox get w/ the program.

Anyone know what time Christie is on? lmfao the cut of that Obama speech they just played wow

You keep asking that there wasn't any it passed.

Which proposals would have helped that didn't go in the stimulus? You of all people are well aware there weren't too many democratic goodies that didn't make cut...and btw there were plenty of tax cuts and bags of money that most of the GOP governors took and secretly thanked God for. The point is we all know when either party is being political which is most of the time. That wasn't one of them. You don't pass 700+ billion dollar spending bill to gain popularity...even the Democrats don't do that...the Republicans know that of course and played their cards right for political gain and you seem to just think they were there operating according to the best interest of America as they hung out w/ reporters bitching and moaning and convincing America that all of the sudden in January of '09 after 30 years of deficit spending in the middle of economic collapse... stimulus was now a terrible idea to deal with large economic downturns. The prediction was it would save about 3% unemployment increase and studies say it did but it was spending, Obama is a terrible liberal, and stimulus doesn't work. And all that is political...but it's worked b/c here you are believing it to the day you die.

Your refusal to believe just how partisan it all was is where you fall short. Obviously there are policy fights and were at the time within the parties...disputes about exactly what to do etc...nobody anywhere said do nothing not even Cantor and crew they had 2 separate proposals themselves that got large GOP support (which as I said early were very different from each other except neither was a democrat proposal). The chamber of commerce themselves supported the damn thing as did a lot of GOP governors, mayors, and local officials. The bottom line though is that the Cantor crew on the hill would control the narrative..."this is not bipartisan" (and nothing will be)...they would go on and on and say about how the Dems forced it down their throat when the strategy was laid out in January (before Obama was President but while the early stimulus was being kicked around) that they simply weren't going to play. If it worked they would keep their seats b/c the economy was good, if the economy stayed lackluster it was their ticket back to power. Literally no gain politically in cooperating on any package to help the situation at all...and so they didn't...and then when the Dems passed it anyway b/c the economy was falling of the cliff they acted like they were ignored when their plan was literally to just sit it out and B word about it in the media. Now as scripted they have people like you thinking everything would have been fine, the Democrats are the party of monopoly money (funny how that works out), and it's time to give the keys back to the adults.

That was literally the political strategy rolling off the '08 defeat. It's well documented in a number of interviews. The "what's the purpose of the minority party...to become the majority party" is straight off a powerpoint presentation Pete Sessions gave at a conference in January before Obama was even swore in. They became an "entrepreneurial insurgency" (Boehner's words). They united, easily done most moderates from competitive districts were booted in '08 and it left hard line conservatives in safe seats who formed the new strategy to restart of the party...and that's what it was. I don't know why you guys act like this offensive to hear for some reason. You should be proud, it worked. I think it's shity but I'm not in favor of this...you guys hate Obama and the GOP was effective as 2010 showed with this hardline attack strategy.

New Romney Czar of Federal Reserve Colonoscopy. He would take that.

Seriously you guys have complete amnesia when it comes to this stimulus and you are shaped by your party rhetoric designed to make the administration unpopular and demonize "stimulus"...when the truth is both parties would have passed stimulus and it would have been crazy in '08 not to do so. Exactly what the package looks like? Debatable. How much? Debatable (at the time when everyone had bad numbers about how bad things were) within the range of upper 400s - 900...but it would have gone down regardless of what party was in power. Standing on the sideline allowed them to pretend otherwise.

Stimulus in a time of depression wasn't even controversial until January '09...IDK what happened there can't quite put my finger on it but something changed...now we have insane people like you running around denying what independent studies by many economists including former McCain aides, Banks, and others say....w/ out the stimulus we'd be worse off plain and simple and both parties would have done one.

The strategy was purely political...this is history there is no secret Cantor took over as whip realized it didn't matter what they did b/c they had become communicators and not legislators at that point so they decided to communicate complete dissatisfaction despite GOP economic advisers recommending 500-700 billion in stimulus, keep all hands off cooperation so they could deny bipartisan shield and when things continued to falter as they were sure to do no matter what they would then turn it into a victory. Literally realized the best political strategy was to stand on the sideline and B word. And that they did. And it worked politically. It did nothing to help America. This was what the GOP was doing in late 2008/early 2009...sideline bitching the political positioning in the middle of a crisis.

If we had passed the GOP $478B stimulus we would be better off? Or if we passed the second proposed $715B GOP stimulus we would be better? The two stimulus plans that were completely different from each other other than both being a bit different from Obama's? While many GOP complained there was not enough infrastructure they managed to sit there and have 3/4ths of their party vote for a plan w/ literally no infrastructure stimulus...and then 3/4ths for one w/ more than Obama...for a party that thinks they are ideologically superior they certainly aren't governed by principle when opposing Obama. Actually true.

In a time where the economy was shrinking at an unheard of 8.9% rate loosing 700,000ish jobs a month in a national freefall ...Cantor rallied the troops after a defeat and before Obama was even sworn in came up with the plan...not the plan to react to this economic crisis...but to react to their political defeat. If the new president is for it, we are against it...keep your fingerprints off everything deny him any bipartisan achievement and bet on the economy the fail b/c it's a good bet since it's truley ****ed...."what's the purpose of the minority party" ... simply put "to become the majority party" and nothing more. That's Cantor for you.

Eric Cantor...the reason politics broke down

Delegate voting is great...Alabama introduced themselves as home to the last 3 college football championships...Idaho "the first to sue on Obamacare" lol

Well the Ron Paul people got their opportunity to boo