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2 hours ago, NewEra said:
Baker at 12? Lol.
And if not Smith? Still doubtful he’s there but possible.
Doubtful Vander Eshe or Evans falls to 32. Evans slight chance. No chance for LVE
Lauletta I’m fine with if we don’t get a qb in rd 1.....but that’s a bad thing.
Price im fine with and he could fall to 53. Could also go rd 1
pettis or Chark rd 3? Maybe Pettis falls. Maybe. Doubt Chark falls
dawson is fine with me
falk..... puke. This is just stupid. So stupid. We got Milano in rd 5 last year.....why would we want to draft Falk after already drafting 1 or 2 QBs and signing mccarron after drafting Peterman next year. Bad pick
ian thomas I’m good with.
Overall this is a tale of 2 completely different drafts. We’d be very lucky if this were to occur....if baker fell to 12. If he didn’t fall, this draft would be a failure with lauletta being the best QBs drafted.
You guys are tough:
Pick 12: Edmunds, Smith or Evans (just has to be a linebacker)
Trade: Pick 18 Rudolph QB, Seattle gets Lawson, 53rd, 166.
Pick 22 Moore WR
Pick 56 Price C/G
Pick 65 Pettis WR
Pick 121 Duke Dawson CB
Pick 187 Ian Thomas TE
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000470265/2000-NFL-Scouting-Combine-Tom-Brady
Make sense why Brady was picked in the 6th round. Amazing he made it at all off this film.
We have to remember some of these kids are barely 20 years old. They may still be growing into their bodies.
I take back about Rudolph, be fine at 22, he had good college stats. He won't start in 2018 anyway. I personally still like Lauletta and McCarron.
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12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Great clip, thanks for posting. Not a bad short segment for Rudolph.
Since I've seen Mayfield mentioned in here as well, here is his segment with Mariucci for comparison:
If you go off interviews Rudolph blew Mayfield away. Mannerism, posture, memory retention. Rudolph came off like he is a military guy with sir and his directness. Not enough questions asked but I could see trouble written in Mayfields eyes, acted alot like Manziel.
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1 hour ago, NewEra said:
Baker at 12? Lol.
And if not Smith? Still doubtful he’s there but possible.
Doubtful Vander Eshe or Evans falls to 32. Evans slight chance. No chance for LVE
Lauletta I’m fine with if we don’t get a qb in rd 1.....but that’s a bad thing.
Price im fine with and he could fall to 53. Could also go rd 1
pettis or Chark rd 3? Maybe Pettis falls. Maybe. Doubt Chark falls
dawson is fine with me
falk..... puke. This is just stupid. So stupid. We got Milano in rd 5 last year.....why would we want to draft Falk after already drafting 1 or 2 QBs and signing mccarron after drafting Peterman next year. Bad pick
ian thomas I’m good with.
Overall this is a tale of 2 completely different drafts. We’d be very lucky if this were to occur....if baker fell to 12. If he didn’t fall, this draft would be a failure with lauletta being the best QBs drafted.
We are set with a lot of positions and QB is the one spot you could find value on the unknown. What else are you going to do with a 5th that might bring you a good backup. Falk has all the intangibles except mobility, on some boards he is rated 5-6 best QB. Having someone like him in throwing long forces all the other QB's to up their game. If not Falk you could pick White, Litton, McGough too. We need 4 QB's in camp and sorry after last year Peterman will be at the bottom of the list with a new OC. They are gonna like their QB's they drafted or brought in with free agency.
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php
https://thebiglead.com/2018/01/26/ranking-the-10-best-quarterbacks-in-the-2018-nfl-draft/
https://www.drafttek.com/2018-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-QBs.asp
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18 minutes ago, purple haze said:
No need to trade back. Grab Roquan Smith, Tremaine Edmunds, Denzel Ward at 12. Trade up from 22, a few spots and give up a 3rd; grab Rudolph in the teens.
You had me all the way even trading up from 22 till you said Rudolph. I truly believe him and Jackson slip to 2nd and beyond.
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1 hour ago, RFL said:
Belichick shakes the tree and puts the league..... and the TBD board into a total paranoia state. Pats trade up to #9 finalizing their under the table ‘future considerations’ with Niners on the Jimmy G deal. AFC East over reach on QB’s.
Bills move to 6 trying to out smart NE and take Lauletta
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22 minutes ago, BuffaLoko said:
Stan; I get your argument that the work is not done until they get their guy, however we are all assuming who ¨their guy¨ is, so we have a bunch of different opinions here..
22 minutes ago, BuffaLoko said:Stan; I get your argument that the work is not done until they get their guy, however we are all assuming who ¨their guy¨ is, so we have a bunch of different opinions here..
There guy at 12 could be Smith or Edmunds at MLB. That is a huge need of theirs and limited at 21 or 22 at the time to Evans or Esch. I haven't even seen Bill bring in Evans.
1 minute ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said:YOU'RE
Damn spell check changed it, lol.
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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:
If this team is going to improve then the quality of the QBs has to improve.
I am a Rosen guy.....but I like a guy who improved every year of college as a plan B pick.
100% but what do you think of McCarron? We do need 2 more QB's for camp one way or another because you have Primary and secondary offense and defense. Competition is best and may the best player win. We need 2-3 LB's too, especially middle and at least 2 WR's. Would love to move up for Darnold or Rosen but it would ruin what the Bills did in the offseason. They can be pretty good if they fill a few holes. I am pretty sure McCarron is starting unless someone really surprises everyone.
1 hour ago, swnybillsfan said:without knowing who is on the board, and assuming the big 4 are all gone...i will say mason rudolph. his stature, production, and character all seem to be in line with what this staff is looking for in a qb. he is also described as intelligent and coachable, and i believe he is a faith based guy as well. he seems to fit in the room, he is a pocket passer, and he is far from flashy or exciting. these things all lead me here. but...i could be way off on this.
Just not at 12
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15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Congrats....you have managed to cover every paroted perceived weakness of Lamar Jackson while managing to avoid every perceived weakness of the QB you are championing.......you probably thought nobody noticed that.
John, you brought up Lamar, I said he wasn't good enough, doesn't play under center. You brought up Baker doesn't play under center so I showed you Baker and Lamar's stats and why they are different. I never brought up Baker is the guy I want picked. actually if you go back to the beginning you will see I am perfectly OK with McCarron and would like Bills to get Lauletta before NE gets him at 53 (way higher than projected but this kid is good), also suggested a strong arm candidate in Falk with 166 pick. One of McCarron, Peterman, Lauletta and Falk are bound to step out as the guy next 2 years. If not pick another next year 1-3 rounds. Keep a good number on your roster or practice squad till you get this right.
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8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Only about 10 million of dead cap combined with Shady, Clay, and Hughes so we'd save about 18 million. AJ is due 7 million in 2019 and we'd take a 2 million dollar dead cap hit so that's saving 5 million. It's a year away though so things can change drastically with how we look at those contracts.
We know money won't be the issue anyway because 50 or 70mil buys allot. Every player cut needs a player brought in. I would not cut McCoy unless you have a player you know is good replacing him. He has 2-3 good years left if healthy and he is.
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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Excuse me but YOU brought up the under center part. I stated that they dont...it has absolutely nothing with productivity between the two as the offenses are different...if anything you could say that Lamar plays in a more pro ready style offense of the two.
But I dont hear you bitching about Baker Mayfield not playing under center...it seems to only be a thing with Lamar.
My first choice is Rosen......of course its gonna cost a mint to get there.
Baker at least played the spread in shotgun and threw allot for good completion percentage, just as accurate on the run throwing. Has good size and weight for being 6'. Great yards/ catch, High TD to Int ratio, High IQ for football, Spread is used in the NFL, not many teams play the Option. Kelly played allot of spread and did shotgun, Thurman was awesome with those delayed handoffs out of that formation, see McCoy doing the same. Also no one is saying Baker can't play under center or in the pocket. Young, Elway, Favre, Rodgers all move around allot. Jackson is a GREAT athlete but at 6'3" and 200lbs and has extremely thin legs. Seems a stretch for the first round, 2-3 worth the risk.
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32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Is that with us cutting McCoy, Hughes, and Clay (we could try and trade them to possibly pick up some draft picks)? We'll also need to decide what to do with Benjamin. If our rookie QB lives up to the hype we could easily cut AJ and save 5 million. So that's about 23 million extra we could save to start to address those positions.
There will be dead cap money on all those players and your still going to have to replace them. AJ had 6 mil guaranteed so your still going to have dead cap money. Benjamin is our number 1 receiver so depending on draft he needs to be replaced. Free Agency going rate is average of 10-15 mil/yr to get one or sign him if he has a great year.
19 minutes ago, PIZ said:Bills stay at #12 and take Mason Rudolph.
22 maybe but please no.
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12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
I am missing the part where Baker sits behind center
Lamar's biggest issue will be his measurements and whether he can withstand NFL punishment. RGIII won't help this outlook. Noone will go out on the line and say this kid has the body for the NFL. Lots of great things to say about him but I have read 10 articles on him and they say he compares with Mike Vick and Randall Cunningham. He has play making ability but no one is sure he will stay healthy and be accurate.
"Lamar Jackson was a hell of a college quarterback, but his ability to read the complex coverage of the NFL a total unknown. And although he was able to rack up some serious numbers at Louisville, his accuracy is also in question. Jackson's not a bad guy, but he's definitely not an NFL-caliber quarterback."
"There is no getting around the fact that Lamar Jackson is rail thin (6-foot-3, 205 pounds, per school measurements). He will have to continue to add more muscle and bulk to his frame. While dialing back his rush attempts can help protect Jackson's lean frame, the hits sustained in the pocket can also be damaging if a quarterback doesn't have the build to absorb those shots. While it hasn't become a problem this season, ball security was a big concern for Jackson last year and will need to be monitored moving forward. There are still some inconsistencies with Jackson's throwing velocity, but that might be something he can improve upon with technique work. From an accuracy standpoint, Jackson has shown improvement, but he still has work to do with his short-throw accuracy. He needs to a better job of leading receivers instead of making them adjust to his throws. It will be interesting to see if Jackson's pocket poise and ability to keep from staring down targets will continue to hold up as teams get more tape on him and adjust their game plans."
"Evaluating Jackson against the NFL standards for the position will cause him to come up short. However, he has rare speed and athleticism and can single-handedly win games. Jackson's accuracy is clearly spotty and teams must decide the level of accuracy they are willing to live with relative to his ability to create explosive plays. Jackson may need to operate in an offense ready to integrate RPOs (run/pass options) along with heavy play-action. Like Deshaun Watson in 2017, Jackson has the ability to counter mental mistakes and turnovers with a high number of explosive, touchdown-making plays. He has star potential, but his success will rest heavily upon his ability to stay healthy."
"The question moving forward will be a matter of whether or not Jackson can bulk up and improve his accuracy.
Only so much can be accomplished in one offseason, but Jackson would benefit greatly from showing signs of improvement in both regards. A sturdier frame will imply that he can remain healthy in the NFL, while improved accuracy will temper some of the concerns about his arm.
Jackson has the raw ability to be one of the best players in the 2018 NFL Draft, but failing to improve in those two areas could severely damage his draft stock."
"Jackson has a ways to go to develop into a consistently accurate passer. He has a bad habit of locking out his front leg, screwing himself into the ground and falling off throws. This dramatically affects his ball placement and touch. He flashes the ability to work to Nos. 2-3 in his progression, but usually if No. 1 isn't there, he looks to run. In his defense, the pass protection at Louisville was terrible at times (see Houston game).
The other major concern about Jackson is his thin frame. He is very wiry and he'll need to add some bulk to withstand a 16-game schedule at the next level. The same things were said about Deshaun Watson early in his college career. He packed on plenty of bulk before leaving Clemson and hopefully Jackson will do the same."
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
I am missing the part where Baker sits behind center
Neither played under Center your the one trying to compare these QB's. I will take Baker's over Lamar's easily. Lamar is like Allen, inaccurate.
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12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Baker Mayfield doesnt sit behind center either.....is he also a huge project?
Baker Mayfield
Year Team Games Passing Rushing GP GS Cmp Att Pct Yards Y/Att Long TDs Int Sacked Att Yards Avg TD 2013 Texas Tech 8 5 228 340 64.1 2,315 6.8 60 12 9 24 88 190 2.2 3 2015 Oklahoma 13 13 269 395 68.1 3,700 9.4 76 36 7 39 141 405 2.9 7 2016 Oklahoma 13 13 254 358 70.9 3,965 11.1 88 40 8 18 78 177 2.3 6 2017 Oklahoma 13 12 262 369 70.5 4,340 11.5 84 41 5 26 97 311 3.2 5 College Totals 47 43 1,003 1,462 68.6 14,320 9.8 88 129 29 107 404 1,083 2.7 21 Lamar Jackson
NCAA collegiate career statistics Louisville Cardinals Season Passing Rushing Comp Att Pct Yards TD Int Rate Att Yards Avg TD 2015 135 247 54.7 1,840 12 8 126.8 163 960 5.9 11 2016 230 409 56.2 3,543 30 9 148.8 260 1,571 6.0 21 2017 254 430 59.1 3,660 27 10 146.6 232 1,601 6.9 18 NCAA career totals 619 1,086 57.0 9,043 69 27 142.9 655 4,132 6.3 50 -
10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
You know its interesting how guys like Garouppolo are tearing it up like a guy like D. Watson who others compare to the next thing as sliced bread but people want to ding him. If he is getting it done (which he is) then he is getting it done.
If Mason Rudolph became this kind of player in a couple of years how do you NOT draft him especially if you get to keep your picks. Seriously.
Neither of these guys have played a full year of games in the NFL. Right now they project well but they are good QB's. Rudolph has nothing in common right now with these guys, never took a NFL snap. Right now McCarron is 2-1 in NFL regular season and took team to NFL playoffs and played pretty good in a playoff game. That is more than any of the 3 QB's you mentioned did so far. Grappolos 7 wins are nice, they came on a Superbowl team starting a season and last year end of season nothing to lose situation, good but not the same playing for the playoffs. I give McCarron a step on this having played in a playoff game. By the way he has TWO College Championships!
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49 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Like I said.....stop with the lazy stat watching and dig deeper
A lot of his runs were on designed runs......not from scrambling out of clean pockets...if anything he hangs in the pocket too long....its on tape...go look at it
I care about passing TDs....which Lamar (especially compared to TT) is extremely productive at
They are NOT the same player
Yes very true, they are not. Tyrod is accurate, doesn't throw INT's, has a winning record in the NFL and yet he isn't good enough. You keep telling me I need to watch tape, I seen enough checking him out online. He doesn't know how to sit under Center, drop back and throw. All QB's that are consistent winners in the NFL can do this. You can't say Lamar can do this so he is at best a huge project. Losman hit 2 80+ yard passes in a Houston game coming from behind. You tell me why Lamar is worth being in Buffalo at 12 and 22, I do not see it.
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On 4/3/2018 at 12:06 PM, billsfan5121 said:
Why do some people think that picking a position player can’t produce a bust as well? It’s like people are afraid of a qb because they might fail, but then talk about all of the picks in the first three rounds as if they are locks to be great. Here’s a concept. If our staff is good enough to nail 6 picks over 3 rounds, they are good enough to pick a qb.
Without positional players that are good your QB won't win. Just look at Luck past couple years. Luck is a Franchise QB for sure but has no team around him. Right now Bills have way too many holes. You can get a couple really good QB's with 9 picks available to you without going to Top 5. Again outside oF Allen (Complete athlete) and Baker (Heisman) all the other QB's have issues and are no better physically than 3-4 other QB's out there. If your going to sit the pick till next year or year after go for upside. Brady made his arm stronger, called triceps and wrist/hand strength. Weight room is not any of these QB's friends like it will be in the NFL. Love for Buffalo to get Baker or Allen at 12, probably won't happen. Darnold and Rosen are going Top 5. Buffalo can get two QB's 2nd round or later with strong arms/and or better intangibles. My choices are 2 QB's out of these 4; Falk, Lauletta, McGough or White. My choices are Lauletta at 53 (NE will grab if you wait) and Falk or McGough at 166.
8 hours ago, What a Tuel said:Would you trade 2 quality starters at any position for a quality starting QB?
I mean you guys shift the goal posts here. When you talk about filling out the roster you are overly ambitious about their contributions to the team. To the point that not having these players will be a detriment to the team for years to come.
When you talk about the QB, he is just "1 kid who may not work out".
So how big of a detriment to the team would it be if this "kid" is successful on a high level, and we passed on him? I mean you consider the detriment of not having the hole fillers. Why would you not consider the detriment of not having a starting QB?
Because I can promise you, missing on a starting QB is going to be a lot more devastating than not drafting a LB and a WR one year.
Like last year trading with KC?
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On 4/3/2018 at 11:57 AM, Domdab99 said:
Moving up is sexy, it's fun, it's what's for dinner these days. But moving up will set the team's growth back three, maybe five years. Possibly longer. This team has so many holes, that to throw away all these picks on a QB who might be good is insanity.
If we can somehow move up and still have 1 2nd and 1 3rd...I'd be willing to listen. But only for Rosen or Mayfield. Trading up for any of the other QBs is insanity. Especially since Jackson has a very good chance of being there at 12. Hell, he has a good chance of being there at 22.
I'd rather pick an elite player at 12 - Roquan Smith, Derwin James, Vita Vea....etc. Use the rest of the picks on holes like WR, OL, DL, LB....
Throwing away this draft along with a first next next year? No thanks.
Again, a month ago you were saying the exact opposite. Bills moved to 12 and all Bills fan's could say was there was no way they made that move not to get in the top 5 no matter the cost. Franchise QB was a must in this draft. What changed your mind?
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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:
We're pry going to have to take a step back before we take a step forward in 2019. OT, WR, and LB are going to struggle assuming we move up as we haven't addressed these positions in FA at all. We may get lucky and pick up a day one quality starter in the 2nd or 3rd round at one of those positions, but it won't be enough. Lots of cap space next year.
Not as much as you think, all the signing have put us in the $60-65 right now another $10 will come off with picks higher salaries 2nd year after signing bonuses. so expect around $55 mil. That is allot but top players are going to take $15/mil a yr off with signing and salary. We will need after your draft a DT for Kyle, 2 OG after Groy gone and Incognito, RT, 2-3 LB's with no real MLB on team and Alexander gone. Replacement DE for Hughes (getting old), replacement TE for Clay (getting old), replacement RB for McCoy (getting old). Replacement or signing of Vonte Davis. Allot will be needed!
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18 minutes ago, K-9 said:
I agree. He is tailor-made for the offenses those teams run and he'd get into a sit and learn situation with all of them. Personally, I don't want my rookie QB to have that kind of pressure unless he's an Andrew Luck ready coming out and, other than Rosen, I don't see one in this draft.
Rosen has the tools no doubt and is tough as nails but the concussions scare me. If he gets more he could be out of the league just like that. Darnold to me has everything you look for but is like Cutler in that aspect too. He takes too many chances, throws INT's. Baker at 6' ft to me but very athletic is the a bigger strong arm Doug Flutie. He has everything you need to win, Doug was cocky as they come, Heisman winners usually are. Best College athlete. I like that label, want a winner. Allot more losers than top winners. When you can get one go for it, ie McCarron.
3 minutes ago, gr8billsfan said:Rudolph is going to be the BEST out of the draft. Mark my words. Rosen will get into trouble with his coaches. Baker will be good. Darnold COULD be great if he doesn't get drafted by the Browns. Rudolph's IQ is HIGH. I'd get him at #22. #12 we get CB, WR, or LB.
Lauletta is smarter, more intangibles with maybe a slightly weaker arm but can make all the throws. He will also be cheaper and easily can be taken late 2nd 3rd as long as it is before NE. If NE is interested so am I.
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59 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Being a running qb is not why TT is not here anymore...he is not here because he wouldnt pull the trigger on throwing the ball and was rendered inneffective if kept in the pocket
Since only the lazy people look at Lamar Jackson and see those traits in him just because he has escapability......and I dont consider our bills scouting staff to be lazy I think he might still be in play....I just think he is not the number 1 option....I think they value accuracy first.
He ran for 1000 yards, that is who he is.
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4 minutes ago, JoeF said:
Bills make four trades during the 3 days of the draft and one of them includes All-Pro Guard Richie Incognito.
They get Nelson then I hope
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49 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
-The Colts trade the 6th pick in the draft and a 2nd for OBJ to line up across from TY Hilton giving Luck a formidable WR tandem.
-The Giants (who take Darnold at #2) trade the #6 pick to the Bills for their 12th and 22nd and we pick Mayfield. We overpay, but we're going to have to in order to move up.
-The Browns take Barkley #1 and Allen at #4.
So the top 6 picks look like this
1.) Browns - Barkley
2.) Giants - Darnold
3.) Jets - Rosen
4.) Browns - Allen
5.) Broncos - Chubbs
6.) Bills (from Giants (from Colts)) - Mayfield
Bills go 6-10 next year, defense sucks with no linebackers.
Mason Rudolph could be the steal of the 2018 QB draft and has the most to prove per Bettis...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This is why everyone has different thoughts on the draft. You and I am sure are from different generations.