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2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:
What do you guys think of Mayfield?
Loved Andy Griffith!
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30 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said:
Having a bad day bud? Want to talk about it?
Dude, it's a message board. It's a place for people to express their opinions, whatever they might be. I think you're the one that needs to get over it. Nobody should be surprised that many fans want a top level quarterback prospect for the first time this century. No need to be a dick about it.
Just to help people.
BLOG = Be Logical Or Go!
This forum is not for the stupid. Have something to say that forms a path of facts that may be understood and a conversation can be had. Then I won't have to call you any names.
4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:Allen at 12?
Sure why not. Denver, you can't select Allen at 5.
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1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:
At the end of the day we’re just fans. We have absolutely no say in anything that happens within the organization. But it’s fun and entertaining to talk about it. Which is what message boards are all about
I am pretty sure McDermott reads MY blogs and listens to me. I know the past coaches did and that is why they are gone. STOP LISTENING TO ME COACH! I do this blogging after at least a 6 pack for fun! The fact EJ Manuel and Losman were picked when I was yelling PICK A QB, trade up happened on draft day proves all this. I had no idea who these guys were but Levy and Nix's/Whaley listened anyway, how stupid!
1 hour ago, jahnyc said:The reality is that we may not be able to trade into the top five. If three QBs are selected with the first three picks, Cleveland may want to pair Barkley with their new QB and Denver may take a QB with the fifth pick. The draft will be interesting.
I happen to think and want no QB taken in the Top 11 picks and Bills still select MLB.
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15 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:
So the Colts didnt trade us 3 because they didnt want to be outside the top ten, but they trade us 6?
Also to get to six we shouldnt be giving up two 1sts. 12, 53 and a 4th.
To get to 6 it will cost since it gets you Baker or Allen. Be at least 12, 22 and either next years 1st or 2nd minimum. To get to 2-4 it will cost you that plus a 2nd and 3rd. 2 would be 53 and 96 and 4th pick 56 and 65 probably or it isn't happening. They know your going for it to get a franchise guy they will be playing in the league at some time for 10-15 years. That will cost you! The teams know your picks too and because you have so many will be looking for your weakness to get that QB. This draft is being sold as being 1983 0r 2004 again. Generational QB draft with 2 consensus QB's for 1-2 in Darnold and Rosen, both potentially could start though I expect neither will where they land with Cleveland and the Jets. That is why the Bills will stand still and hope Baker falls or move up before Raiders to grab R Smith and Rudolph at 22. Teams have needs and no way they are going to let top DE, DT, CB, WR and 1 generational type RB slip by them. Denver may grab Nelson if not a QB in Allen or Baker. Miami is the only one we are unsure of to let one of the two fall.
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33 minutes ago, K-9 said:
Per the bold text, I think it's safe to assume we would have failed with Ponder/Gabbert given their histories. Carolina was never going to move off that #1 pick to get Cam given the dearth of QBs in that draft. They needed a QB as bad as anybody.
We had players so maybe Ponder and Gabbert do better for us. They were 1st picks because to tools were there. Look what we turned Fitz into. More to work with in those guys. Doesn't matter but if your making the case after the fact not to do it then we shouldn't now.
34 minutes ago, Lurker said:Over a 50-year period, Ralph so-little valued the QB position that Kelly was essentially the only blue-chip prospect they ever drafted at the position. And that was when he lucked into having him drop to the Bills at #14. Somewhere over the span of those five decades there was an opportunity to work the draft to land a true franchise guy...
They traded away a 1st for Rob Johnson and landed Flutie, a few years later when all that went away they traded a 1st to get Bledsoe, when that went away they draft Losman moving up in the 1st round, when that didn't work..............
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1 hour ago, Bangarang said:
So you think he should have taken Dalton at 9? Is that your argument? Yikes
Trade back but get QB
53 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:Nix could of traded back. ATL gave up a boatload to picks for Julio Jones.
He should of known Luck, RG3 were available the following year.
We stuck with Fitz.
To me, that's the difference from a forward looking organization and one that "lives in the moment".
Who traded with ATL, the Redskins and moved up for RG3 and would of had Luck if Peyton didn't get hurt.
It is the difference in evaluation of a QB
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1 hour ago, DC Tom said:
Well...no, primarily because Belichick is able to identify talent, which is why he can pick Tom Brady in the sixth round, which is why he doesn't NEED to reach for a top-10 pick to get a QB.
If you can judge and develop talent, you don't need to move up. If you can't, moving up isn't going to fix that.
Brady was luck. If Bledsoe hadn't been hurt Brady never would have gotten into a game to beat him out and most likely another QB drafted replacing him. Brady was very different back then, he grew to be the best QB in the league.
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1 hour ago, Augie said:
...sometimes I think we are not working on it hard enough!
I get the frustration with previous regimes. I prefer the current FO to what we’ve had in the past. Time will tell if that is warranted or not. I only want to go all in on a guy they really believe in, not “pull an EJ” because we had to take a QB before we left.
If you trust the group then you have to trust they can pick a good QB if warranted at 12 or 22. They have McCarron and Peterman as a Buffer.
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1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:
Tanking has no track record of working in the NFL. There are huge differences between football and hockey , which could be one reason. If tanking were so effective the Browns should have a mantle full of Lombardis by now.
You would think eventually they get this right, lol!
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1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:
The logic that we should not consider moving up to take a QB that the front office deems worthy of moving up for because they might make a mistake or miss is some god awful logic. The 7 out of 10 ratio is irrelevant because different people are making the picks. Will our front office be successful or not in picking the right QB is the question to ask. Will they decide to move up? Or will they stand pat and take the left overs? Either way, if they fail their chickens are coming home to roost.
What isn't irrelevant is whether you can get to pick 2 or 4. I am betting the answer is no!
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2 hours ago, Buddo said:
That was a problem, top 10 picks and no decent QB to use them on. Makes you wonder how many other times the Bills have actually had top ten picks, in the first place, let alone the chance to use them on a decent QB.
Some of the 'misses' are well documented, but most of those appear to be from outside of the top 10 picks anyway.
Mike Williams year, Darieus year, Bruce Smith year are the realistic Top 5 years to land a QB. Smith year no 1st round QB's and Randall Cunningham was 1st QB selected. Kelly came a year later from USFL so that doesn't matter. Mike Williams 2002 where it would matter full rebuild, Would have to move up for Carr and Harrington or back for Patrick Ramsey. 2011 looks allot like this year, we had the 3rd pick. Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder were there. At the time we had Edwards and Fitz. Darieus was a good player but we should have tried to move up. Would we have failed with Ponder/Gabbert or getting CAM who knows but those are the few times we had choices. We have no realistic shot at top 5 positions, top 3 is where Darnold and Rosen are gone.
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2 hours ago, Bangarang said:
Who should he have drafted? Jake Locker? Blaine Gabbert? Christian Ponder?
After the facts no but at the time, argument is the same as it is now. We know nothing really. No for sure QB like Elway, Manning or Luck.
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2 hours ago, DC Tom said:
You bolded 14 of 49 names (I would have included Carson Palmer and Vinnie GreenBalls, though, as they had reasonably good careers.) That's a 3 in 10 success rate. Given that the overall rate at which top-ten picks go to the Pro Bowl (around 50%), that's a significant indication that teams over-reach for QBs in the top 10.
Plus, in this case what's being advocated in this case is moving up to the top 10, which requires the expenditure of additional resources (picks or players). So basically, the idea is that we should over-reach even more than usual on a 7 in 10 chance of a bust.
All on the fallacious idea that you have to take all the shots because "you miss all the shots you don't take." Which is thoroughly retarded - you're using a form of gambler's fallacy to raise on drawing a full house on one pair, because although you probably won't draw that full house, you definitely won't if you don't call and take three cards.
You really are the most misnamed poster ever.
It could be argued every team that has a shot at Darnold or Rosen could use one soon. Cleveland is the only one with duplicate picks here so they could trade 4 away if great value to do this but at 4 Rosen is gone. The bottom line is the Bills don't have a choice here for those 2 guys. Anything else is game, pick 4 to 10, how much are you willing to pay for Allen or Baker?
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3 hours ago, DC Tom said:
Let's list all the QBs picked in the first 10 rounds of the draft since 1980:
1980s:
Rich Campbell
Art Schlichter
Jim McMahon
John Elway
Todd Blackledge
Jim Everett
Kelly Stouffer
Vinnie Testaverde
Troy Aikman
1990s:
Jeff George
Andre Ware
David Klingler
Drew Bledsoe
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler
Trent Dilfer
Steve McNair
Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
2000s:
Michael Vick
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Alex Smith
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jamarcus Russell
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Butt Fumble
2010s:
Sam Bradford
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Andrew Luck
RGIII
Ryan Tannenhill
Blake Bortles
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Patrick Mahomes
Not an illustrious list. Certainly not a consistent-enough list that it suggests moving in to the top 10 to select a QB is worthwhile. Between the outright busts and the number of QBs who ended up moving to other teams and being successful, there's a decent argument to be made for moving in to the top 10 to pick a "franchise QB" to be a losing proposition, as more likely than not he'll either fail or be someone else's franchise QB down the road.
This shows you measurables don't mean everything. They all had those or wouldn't be top 10. Drafting team matters, OC and players matter, Leadership and football smarts matter. Unless it all lines up you lose. A later round QB would probably have failed also on those teams where these QB's failed. The teams sucked! RGII got screwed by Shanahan playing him hurt. A number of these QB's could have made it on a good team but became damaged goods and too late. The really good ones though you can tell they were going to make it. Elways, P Manning, Luck, Bledsoe, Rivers, McNabb they just felt different. I really thought Vince Young was going to be Elway again, turned out to be a Head Case and had serious depression issues. Going and winning the Superbowl is a completely different level, few have done this and those that do have great teams around them.
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3 hours ago, Tyrod's friend said:
What is interesting is that the Ravens have been competitive nearly the entirety of their franchise history. The Vikings have definitely been competitive the last three years.
SO if the Ravens have been extremely competitive, in a tough division, and the Vikings have won the last three years ... doesn't that go to show you that it isn't an impossible path, but becomes so when you can't evaluate talent generally?
You know what? If the Browns really f up and taken Allen or Barkley or Chubb or whatever at #1, and the Giants make it possible to get the best QB prospect in the last five years (Baker Mayfield), maybe you are right.What people miss is you have to be really bad to get to top 5 picks and it needs to time with the top QB in the draft. If the draft is good for QB the price is EXTREMELY high to trade up. You also get "BILLS" fans that go from you not trading up to your not drafting a QB to fix this team. I say Bull to that because we have 9 picks, 6 in the top 96 and we could get Rudulph, Falk, Luletta and still land a Speedy WR, Evans MLB, Price G/C or whoever else we have targeted. The more choices you have the better chance you may have to land a QB. Now if you want to suck like Cleveland has for 4-5 years then maybe one day you get a chance to land a Darnold. He is the only true starter and I bet he sits 1 year behind Taylor while team learns to win again.
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2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
Your simply not realizing it is not the Bills who dictate whether they can get ROSEN. That is the Insanity thinking you can demand that happens.
1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:It is and you should stop because McCarron is a bridge to the next QB.
You know nothing, that is a better contract then Taylor got to start with the Bills when he came from Baltimore in similar circumstances and less of a college background. He also had less games in NFL to see what he could be.
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11 minutes ago, Luka said:
You are simply pretending you can see the future. You can't. You don't know that a rookie doesn't beat out McCarron. McCarron could be terrible. All 6 picks you draft instead of trading up for a top QB could be out of the league in 3 years. I doubt McCarron beats out Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen. But finding a QB is top priority and you aren't doing that at 12.
Well saying that means you have no faith in Beane and McDermott but you do have faith they can get your franchise QB. Kinda contradicting your argument to get a franchise QB. You are simply pretending to see the future, you can't. You don't know a rookie can win a starting job in the NFL, most lose out and not use to a 16 game season. Your franchise QB could be terribile, never played a game in the NFL before. Your QB could be out of the league in 3 years and 6 picks gone you never get back.
4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:Don't care. I'm going on skill sets that translate to NFL success.
OTAY! QB crush going on
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5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
Reputation on the board? Who cares? If someone has something interesting to say, what does it matter if they have 10,000 posts or 4?
I like Rosen. I don't think we've had anywhere near the caliber of him since Kelly. Could one hit knock him out? Sure, but ask Ryan Shazier what one hit can do. If you want to break down stats, tell me the breakdown of pro bowlers / starters / busts between picks 12 - 65. Tell me the hit rate for QBs drafted then. Staying put means it's more likely than not whoever we pick at QB (even Mason Rudolph) is going to bust and be a worthless pick, out of the other 4 picks in that range, we'd be lucky to end up with 1 pro bowler, 2 good starters, 1 bust. Lets not pretend like we are giving up hall of famers in a trade up. I've seen this team be very talented without a QB, we all know what happens, the talent on this roster now comes nowhere close to where it was 2-3 years ago, even then the team went nowhere with no QB. Personally I'm sick of trying to accept mediocrity, it doesn't matter if we draft 4 pro bowlers with the picks we keep, no QB means it's worthless.
Guess this is were we differ on whether Bills have a QB. I think a 2 time Champion for Alabama could lead Bills better than Taylor could, he can throw and has proven that in 4 games and 4 training camps. Second, we have a decent backup. We have 9 picks and if you truly are worried about QB still we could draft 2-3 of them and still get LMB and WR. I would rather take a shot with Rudolph, Falk and Lautta and see who emerges. You can put one of them on Practice squad. My question is how are you getting Rosen, he won't make it past the Jets? Two, the cost will leave you know way to get a starting MLB, no one is available that is worth to start. Are you planning on starting Rosen if you get him? More questions on getting him than the path I select. If the Bills want Rudolph bad enough he will be there at 12 and Evans at 22 or Leighton Vander Esch. You won't have 12, 22 or next years 1st to get Rosen plus 2 more picks in top 100.
8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:Incorrect. Rosen would start over McCarron and likely Mayfield as well.
Your going off college production, McCarron was 36-4 with 2 Championships. In 2015 Dalton went down hurt and McCarron started 3 games and went 2-1 then went to the playoffs. He lost the game due to defense, almost won. Rosen had 2 concussions last year, what makes you think McDermott would risk throwing a rookie to the NFL he just paid all those picks to and chance losing him on a learning curve. Your not making any sense. I understand wanting a Franchise QB, the problem is too many fans are forcing it without even a path to getting it done. Bills have nothing to dictate here and everything to lose.
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12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
You ever heard of Cam Newton?
CAM Newton was the 1st pick in the draft, last I checked we don't own that pick. Jackson is the closest to CAM and can be had at 22. Thanks for making my point.
9 minutes ago, Luka said:Biggest need being a QB. With a real QB we don't back into the playoffs because we would have beat the Panthers. And we could have easily beat the Jags in the first round with a couple extra completions. The rest of the roster was patchwork and we were right there. Last year we were supposed to tank so I'm not buying the 5-6 holes crap.
Any QB we get in the draft sits behind McCarron next year. The only one who could start, Darnold, will be sitting behind Taylor. So exactly how is drafting a QB going to help you win next year?
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3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
So you think a franchise QB isn't worth giving up some backups, a fast WR and a MLB?
Will you risk your reputation on this board that whoever we draft will be that guy for 10-15 years? You sure are acting like you know this happens drafting a QB in top 5 for sure. I can give you the stats all again but you won't listen anyway. We won't get 1st pick and Darnold who stands the best chance. Only 2 drafts were 3 or more 1st pick QB's became franchise guys. The odds are very good 2-5 picked QB's fail unless this is a generational draft. We barely have a consensus QB for 1st. Rosen has question marks, concussions and winning record. Allen is far from polished and Baker has size and character issues. Where are you seeing a sure fit for Bills in the top 10 worth the risk?
4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:I would easily you need a starting qb not a just get by qb
Where have you been for the last 17 years????????????
The Bills problems are because they passed up QB's and picked 2 bad ones in the 1st round. They didn't take it serious enough. No One is saying don't grab one with one of our 1st picks. Even moving to 6-9 might make sense, cost will be more reasonable. If you wanted a top 10 QB we needed to flop last year and not end our drought. The choice was McDermotts, he is choosing to win. Buffalo won't get #2 pick, doubt unless they over pay they get 4 or 5. they leaves 6 which Indy is on record to willing to move down but they want allot of picks to help Luck along. Sorry, everyone wants something!
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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Yeah sure. MLB is the key to being a contender on a year to year basis. Keep telling yourself that.
In McDermotts system it is, why they let Brown walk (led league in Tackles), we couldn't stop the run. Have you heard of Luke Kuechly?
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5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
If Rudolph is so awesome, maybe the Giants or Jets will just draft him.
And if we are relying on 6 rookies to "fill holes" we are going to suck anyway, may as well have the QB.
Some of those needs are backups, but we do need a starting MLB and Speed WR. Where are you seeing 6 starters needed on this team?
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5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Enough of the too many holes spiel. The rebuild of the team goes beyond the 2018 offseason with $100M in cap room next year. Get the QB you covet.
Cap room with signings now is about $65 mil and we haven't signed picks yet. Next year Kyle will be gone, $15+ has to go for a DT, OG will be open so that will be 8-10Mil to fill. Raises and/or bonuses and that money gets eaten fast. But this is not a rebuild team this year or McCoy and/or Clay would be gone. McDermont wants to win and tooled up his defense. all he needs is a MLB and he is off to the races.
Are We a Playoff Team with A.J. ?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yes to McCarron, already a 2 time NCAA champ, already kept Cincy in a playoff race and almost won the playoff game.
Yes Bills draft Falk and Lauletta to compete as backup with Peterman.
On March 12, 2015, Taylor signed a three-year, $3.35 million contract with the Buffalo Bills. He was signed to be the starter. McCarron, 2 years for 10 million and people calling him a backup. He signed the type of contract that a QB with 4 games experience in NFL get that is expected to become the starter. That is not a bad payday. When he does succeed Buffalo will have new contract in hand.
Same can be said for any QB drafted. At least McCarron hs 36-4 record, 2 Championships, 2-1 NFL record with a playoff start he almost won and 4 NFL training camps.