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Well if it wasn't apparent to everyone before it is now. You're only goal is to go after certain members. As section122 educated you... I DID NOT SAY THAT!!!

Who threw him the ball for those back to back 1000yd seasons? I never said he wasn't a #1. HE IS! I'm just trying to illustrate what TYPE of #1 he is. He has put up stats like Lee Evans did when JP Losman was throwing him the rock. I thought Lee Evans was a #1 then and he did it with a bonehead for a QB and a team that had even less talent than this one.

I'm not talking 1 guy in the league any given year a million years ago. I'm talking about today's "It's a passing league" NFL. The TE position has changed league wide not almost literally 1 guy a generation like the guys you mentioned. Sure there are 10-12 teams out of 32, which represents the worst 3rd of teams, that MIGHT take SJ OVER their #1 WR. Could he play on most any team? SURE. Would he be there #1 receiving target? HELL NO. This is why I include TEs in today's passing league NFL. Would New England rather have SJ than Gronk? A resounding NO. Would New England rather have SJ than Hernandez? Probably not. I get the rather specific point you are making about what has traditionally been called a WR but that point is less valid in 2011 and beyond with a lot of good offenses employing TE's as their #1 or #2 RECEIVING option.

I get the point you are trying to make but it is a horrible comparison. Did you forget the minimum number of attempts to qualify for QB stats? TE's are big WR's now that can handle the pounding over the middle and create mismatches in your secondary. Catch up with the times. SJ stats are to be compared to pass catchers which includes WRs and TEs. 2011 Rec 19th 76 YDs 20th 1004 TDs 21st 7 1st 25th 45

Good to hear!!!!

I always try to use the term pass catcher that way you don't exclude the TE's that are also better than SJ. Your stats eliminate the 5-6 TEs that are as good as or better from a production stand point. Miles Austin by the way who you compared SJ to got his 2011 stats in an injury filled 10 game season. Don't get me wrong SJ is by far the best we have and I am super glad we have him but get real. He barely cracks the top 20 in most PASS CATCHER categories that matter. Let's look at SJ the "pass catcher" 2011 Rec 19th 76 YDs 20th 1004 TDs 21st 7 1st 25th 45 Basically SJ averages bottom 3rd of all 32 team's number 1 "PASS CATCHERS" using those important categories. Today's NFL TEs are more WRs than they have ever been.

I was fine with everything Dopey said. The last statement however in his entire post was the one that you chose to address. It's that last little tail on an intelligent post that is small and meaningless that becomes the focus of another posters response. He asked how those QBs would perform if their top WRs, lineman and running game were taken from them? He then added on that he thought Fitz could have done as well with the Patriots, Saints and Giants if he was the QB of their team. That is what you chose to respond to not how those QBs would have performed if they had to endure the same hell storm of injuries that Fitz did. I assume those were the points that he really wanted addressed. I do it constantly and I need to stop myself. If I post one sentence too many that someone can find fault with they ignore every other solid point I made and focus on one sentence in a multi-paragraph post.

Guys like us have to learn not to throw in the "the useless extraneous claim". Your last statement has no value and it allows a poster to completely ignore all of the other insightful and very valid points that you made. It gives them something to argue against that really has no baring on anything. I tried the approach of pounding all those facts and more into Fitz Haters heads but it doesn't matter. He doesn't walk on water so he can't get it done. Brady would have cried like a little girl to the refs every play if he lost some of his probowl lineman, Gronk, Welker and had even less of a running game. Throw in playing with the 30th ranked defense instead of the 15th ranked defense and Brady would have faked injury to avoid playing and besmirching his legacy and looking like a regular old QB who benefits from the team, system and scheme around him.

Crappy Defense?????!??!?!?!? Let's look at that a little closer: Patriots - 15th best regular season 21.4 pts. #3 Post season 17 pts (when it mattered) Saints - 13th best regular season 21.2 pts. Giants - 26th best regular season 25 pts. #1 Post season 14 pts (when D got healthy) These teams had good to GREAT defenses. The only anomaly is the Giants in the regular season who suffered through injuries across their defensive line and other areas. They barely made the play offs backing in at 9-7. Once they made the post season they had THE BEST defense in the play offs. Not a single one of those QBs could overcome the 30th worst defense in the league giving up 27.1 pts a week and playing in a division won every year by the Patriots. Were it not for some incredible luck the current superbowl champs wouldn't have even made the play offs!

Now if he only had the stats compared to other pass catchers to prove it

For the most part I agree with this. He was my #1 choice until I saw some of the other names that might become FAs. He would definitely help this team. I'm not stating this as some huge negative but if V-Jax was 26 instead of 29 I would be ecstatic. Given some of the other names that might be coming out V-Jax might be had for a slightly lower price due to his age. We need to pay this guy MORE than SJ to get him though. Signing him for a similar deal is a fantasy.

Statistically we are very far away. I have great hope as we have a LOT of young guys that should get better quickly with an actual off season and OTAs and we have a real defensive coordinator now as opposed to some other teams LB coach that was given a shot. If we can somehow manage a pass rush with a piece or two and the items mentioned impact us positively as expected I think we should be middle of the pack in defense. We should be no worse than say 17th which would be a huge step up from 30th.

I agree that our offense is much closer to being really good than many will ever admit due to their hatred for Fitz. Our defense however is really, Really REALLY bad. Our D gave up 27.1 pts a week. To make the play offs and be at least 10-6 we need our offense to score about a TD more a week than our defense gives up on average. This is my opinion. There are almost no offenses that average 34.1 pts a week. We DRASTICALLY need to reduce the amount of points our defense gives up.

Further more can anyone find me a link regarding Lynch being suspended for a year if he screws up? I can't find anything on that possibility or any sort of NFL probation he might be under and has to keep his act clean. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I just don't have any proof that it does. I know there are performance enhancer clauses with 1st, 2nd, 3rd offenses (Is this a good time to mention Shawn "Good Gamble" Merriman?) but I think it might be entirely up to Roger, "judge, jury and executioner", Goodell to determine at will.

FJax was not playing behind the same line. Lynch mainly had to play with JP at QB and a bunch of washed up or never were bums on oline that Levy and Jauron collected. Fjax has turned into a GREAT RB. At 30+ what do you think his life expectancy is given he missed the start of the season in 2010 due to injury and didn't finish the 2011 season due to injury????

I hate to say this but anyone who thinks we should franchise Bell is delusional or on some serious meds. I asked this in a thread and poll at the beginning of the 2011 season that if Bell once again couldn't stay healthy, didn't play consistently, etc, blah blah blah could people FINALLY admit that the failed experiment is over? To admit he wasn't just as good as or anywhere near the production of Peters and if he was just a stop gap measure at best? I don't mean to be mean but wake up people! This is not the guy! Swing tackle, back up. SURE as long as he is healthy when we actually need him for a few games. We need a solid, consistent, dependable guy like all of the other good teams have at LT. Four years is enough to show you don't have what it takes. FOUR YEARS!!! The guy will be 28 this summer and should have been what he was going to be 2 years ago. This is an LT in the same system for the last 4 years not a QB or WR. Push the guy in front of you out of the way in the run game and don't let him get to your QB in the pass game. It's not that hard.

Over rated? Check the stat line. Apparently you don't watch highlights on ESPN either and I'm not just talking about the Richter scale rumble from 2 years ago.

I think the Toronto Argonaughts would Maybe even TO's arena league football team.

Yet another assumption. The Bills, the fans and Marshawn ALL played a roll. To say that it was all Marshawn's fault is as wrong as saying it was all the Bills fault or the fans for that matter. All anyone can do is go on what we know for certain not what someones sister's, cousin's former college roommate said. In a court of law it's called hearsay. The kid made some REALLY dumb mistakes but to condemn a man forever for the mistakes of his youth is a very unforgiving approach to take. An optimist would say that the young man learned his lesson, is maturing and making up for those mistakes by his improvement and success. A pessimist condemns his actions for life and can't wait for future failures to validate their hate. The Seahawks apparently took the optimistic approach and are benefiting from it. They have a first round pick RB who has made the probowl in 2 of the 4 years he was the undisputed starter for whatever team he was playing for. My point is that I wish we would have taken the optimistic approach and we would have been able to spend our 2010 first round pick on another area of need. That being said I love CJ and he is obviously the future at RB for our team if for nothing else than the fact that he is 8 years FJs junior and FJ is on the wrong side of 30. I also can't stand the people that were so for the idea and played a role in running Lynch out of town making Buffalo a hostile work environment for him while some of these same people then complained that CJ was a luxury pick bust. They were shocked and dismayed that we spent a first round pick at RB to replace a first round pick at RB. Who would have ever imagined that?

HhahHAahAHHAha. It's this type of bipolar thinking that is a problem in this country. If you don't hate him you MUST love him and belong to a fan club. LOL....You're killin' me. How about the middle ground of he was a human being from a bad neighborhood and background that made some mistakes, paid for them in terms of football and appropriate legal action and has moved on with his life and continues to be successful on the field? Nah...I must want him to be the best man at my wedding. Funny dude. Your every sentence drips with seething hate. Is there something else we should know about that is causing this much anger about a freakin' football player? Hrm...... I'm not sure what you are alleging I am or am not going to do but great job signing SJ. We kept talent instead of letting it go. We are on the road to recovery. Just as a side note though...what do KW, Fitz and SJ have in common that Lynch, and many others don't? They were all late round picks or free agents? We tend to let the players drafted in the higher rounds go or guys that have developed to play at a probowl level.

To err is human to forgive is divine How long do you condemn someone for the mistakes they have made in life? For "haters" this is forever! Keep the hate alive! Only your vigilance will help people remember his mistakes forever.

Realizing the problem is the first step to recovery

Unlike some Bills fans announcers and other fans can forgive and forget especially when the guy gets it done on the field and makes 2 probowls in 5 years. Keep hating though.

And the Cowboys #1 Miles Austin. He had a great GAME against Reevis. Now if we just played the Jets every week at home we would be all set Just the truth man. I like SJ and we need to keep him but lets ground ourselves in reality.

I doubt the two contracts have anything at all to do with each other. Lynch is 25 and Fred is on the wrong side of 30. Every year that Lynch has been the starting RB he has 1000+ yards rushing and has been to the probowl twice in 5 years. Last year after acclimating to a new team and system he had 13 total TDs in addition to another 1000+ yard season. I understand that people hate him for his off field crap that he is now 3 years past but how people can doubt his on field performance and him keeping his nose clean is just sour grapes whiney talk. Yet another example of how me made a hole for ourselves by dogging a good player and then using our resources, a #1 draft pick, to replace him. Good job Bills fans! Who do we run out of town next?