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The only other option I see is to cut Fitpatrick and keep Trent as a starter for just this season. But when our own fans are booing the guy in practice, it's not a good sign. Even if he's just our QB this season. It kills his confidence and it certainly doesn't do anything for him in terms of respect from other players on this team.
I think either TE or RF gets cut, and who goes depends entirely on Trent's performance the next few games. Gailey is not tied to either guy. From purely a player potential perspective, I think what you see is what you get with RF... a guy who understands the game but doesn't have the talent to produce. If TE gets cut, I think the season is a developmental carousel because Nix and Gailey have to realize that RF playing at his best is not the future of this franchise, and letting him play out the season is wasting available time to see if either of the other QBs can play.
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Um...he looked like what, at Michigan?
Did he even play at Michigan?
He played his freshman year at UM when Henne got hurt. He transferred to Arkansas after Carr resigned/retired when it became apparent that Rodriguez did not have him in his plans because he wasn't mobile enough.
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He looked like a bag of smashed a-sholes at michigan.
I was in A2 at the time he started. My impression was that he was a freshman with a gun for an arm, but no touch on the ball. Heaven help the back catching a dump off from him, cuz it was thrown as if he was trying to force the ball in over the middle. Other than that, what can you say about a freshman QB playing at the beginning of the end for the Maize and Blue? He wasn't in Rich Rod's plans (but then again, apparently neither was winning or bowl games).
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One thing I find interesting in all this is Brown and Trent get to play both games according to the playing time they are allotted so I assume both are not on the chop block at cutting time.
I didn't notice how long did Fitz play, was it 2 more or less full quarters?
I don't know if that's accurate. If TE looks lights out against second stringers, does that really tell you anything worthwhile? At this point in time he should look good against a second and third string defense. TE is going to sink or swim against the other team's first string. If he continues to struggle throughout preseason I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone. Fitz has shown what he's got. It's not a matter of understanding the game with him, it's limited physical tools. Personally, I think either TE or RF makes the team in the end. I don't think this season is about wins, unfortunately, so it may not ultimately matter who is behind center.
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I like Fitzy, I really do, but he looked like a little kid out there to me against the skins 2nd and 3rd stringers( I mean I was streaming the game), I can only imagine how he would have looked against the skins starters.
Yeah. Unfortunately you can make the perfect read every time, and if you don't have the ability to deliver the ball you're no better off than the guy who has no idea where to put it. A downfield route is just as worthless whether the receiver is never thrown to or the ball is underthrown or thrown down the sideline out of bounds. Too bad you can't put Fitz's head on one of the other QB's bodies (though they probably wouldn't have the neck or shoulder development to keep that sucker upright
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I think Nix and Gailey are looking at the season like this:
Trent Edwards is either the starter, or he's cut. Giving him anything less than first team reps will not help evaluate this. If TE starts, Fitz is gone, unless Brohm looks absolutely atrocious against the second stringers. Brown is a project and if they see something in him, I doubt they try to sneak him onto the practice squad.
Last season's coaching staff did this franchise a huge disservice by not finding out who could play when the season was clearly over midway through. A few less wins and we have our LT. Give Brohm a few more reps behind center and we have a better idea if he can play. Based on their comments about only one first round QB talent, I don't think we would have gone after a QB any sooner than we did in this years draft. They reportedly had some interest in the only QB worth bringing in, and that was McNabb, and he would have given them probably 3-4 years to develop someone behind him. Bringing in a stop-gap like Garcia or some other 1 year band-aid only hurts this team's development. Nix and Gailey know we're in player evaluation mode, and they know who is likely to be availabe at QB in next season's draft and as a free agent. They also know that if none of the current QBs step up we will be in a position to draft one of them, even if they'd never say it publicly.
I fully expect the start of this season to be really painful to watch. I hope they start to show improvement by midseason. You can turn a team around quickly in this day and age, but those teams that do rarely show consistent success. We've had 10 years of futility, and we all want this to change today. However, I don't think that's how these guys operate, and honestly the quick way is usually not the right way.
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That was a good performance because he looked comfortable. He looked like a guy who is gonna be a starter soon. None of the QB's the Bills have drafted lately have looked that comfortable in their initial performance.
I would argue that Trent looked comfortable in his rookie season, and the first part of his second. I can recall Rich Gannon and others gushing about his poise his rookie season. He was 11-5 as a starter at the point of the San Diego game in 2008. His stats weren't glorious by any means, and people will argue the point about the strength of opposition, but he could manage games and the team was winning with him. The last season and a half has taken the shine off of him, but he looked in control and like he could develop early on. IIRC in the game JP went down, even though we were destroyed by NE*, TE didn't look horribly out of place, and that was against a real team that was intent on winning that game, not against a combination of second and third string players in the preseason.
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With the way his balls were wobbling, he would get eaten up by the frequent windy conditions in Buffalo. I'm happier with Troup on our roster. Clausen was mediocre at best, IMO.
Give the kid a break, it was his first live NFL action. His knees were probably knocking a bit, which can cause your balls to wobble. From a football perspective, not much of a tight spiral, though.
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What QBs drafted "lately" by the Bills are you referring to? Levi Brown? You've seen him play already? Wow I must've missed that. Trent Edwards? In his first career start in 2007 he went 22-28 for 234 yds with 1 TD and 1 Int.
Not to mention that he also looked very comfortable in taking over for Losman in his rookie season. People forget that he was 6 and 1 in his first 7 games in the NFL. Not stellar statistics, but able to manage a game. He was actually named to the all rookie team at the end of the season. He then started off 5 and 1 the next season. Who knows if he can get his head back now after the misery of the last season and a half, but c'mon, these statistics alone makes the whole "Clausen is better based on a quarter + of barely adequate preseason football" idea seem just absurd.
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Last time I checked jettison meant to throw overboard, not to name as CEO.
Nonetheless, owner Ralph Wilson wanted to clean house after five straight losing seasons, and that meant jettisoning both Fewell (now the defensive coordinator for the Giants) and general manager Russ Brandon -
So, when asked about his OL coach, should Chan have just stayed mum (as if he were deaf and didn't know he was asked a question) or would you prefer he say "No comment!"?
I think he should have started talking about Bruce Dehaven instead, so we'd either think he was hiding something or that he was a complete idiot.
This also presupposes the fact that his comments were in response to a direct question regarding his OL coach for an article on said coach, and not taken from some previous press conference.
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Very true...
The previous poster states Trent was/is a good QB.
My point is what NFL starter is Trent actually better than?
I can't think of one now that Jamarcus Russell ate his way out of the league.
See any film on the Sanchise last season...
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I know ruben very well and let me tell you he is class all the way. It amazes me how people on these boards read another posts speculations and they take them to be the truth. The above post has it completely right...most any other player in this league would have gone to the media and flapped their gums but ruben kept his mouth shut. Call ruben overrated, penalty prone, or a quitter based on your limited football knowledge. However, ask any other player that has played with him what they think of rube and they will have something much different to say. Remember the pro bowl is voted on by the fans, fellow players, and coaches. I'll take the latter 2/3's expertise over some armchair quarterback's any day of the week. Anyone that has had one conversation with ruben or has seen what he does with the community is a fan all the way.
Used to love his chats with Shredd and Ragan. He always seemed honest and funny... as opposed to Ted Washington, who always seemed grouchy (but also funny... and usually half asleep).
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By your standard, what is a good QB?
At what point was Trent anything more than a project QB with a decent upside? He was a 3rd round, injury-prone college QB who ran a pro style offense at Stanford. Bill Walsh endorsed him, so god forbid, we all should love him.
Ryan Fitzpatrick clearly out-performed him last year. That's right...a career backup from another "smart" school.
In my book Brees, Manning (both Peyton & Eli), Roethlisberger, Palmer, McNabb, Brady, Flacco, Favre, Ryan, Rivers, Rodgers and Romo are good QB's...Trent is miles behind these guys.
I wonder what the hell you're watching...
Indy, Pittsburgh, Philly, NE*, Baltimore, Green Bay, San Diego are all pretty successful, well run franchises that give their players a chance to succeed from day one (at least during these players careers, though admittedly Peyton was the beginning of stability in Indy). I would be interested in seeing where Eli, Flacco, Ryan, Rivers, Rodgers, and Romo's careers would be if they started in identical situations that TE did.
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Honestly, this place has the most intelligent football fans in the world and it also has a bunch of wannabee bandwagon-bitching fans in the world. Once a few turn on someone the whole cavalry jumps on for the ride. Trent Edwards is/was always a good QB, the people here are clueless sometimes. Anyone playing in that sorry excuse for an offence last year would have fallen flat on their faces. Trent has always had tonnes of potential and actually played very well when we had a decent offence in place. I sometimes wonder if you people actually watch the games or just follow your favourite fanboys here and if 'he' says it it must be true.
Are you wearing a tuque?
Guess that rules me out of the intelligent category. 
Just kidding bout the angry face.
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first shortly after the decision was made to go 3-4 the trade should have been initiated...before the AS remarks were made
secnd buddy should not have made public statements about poor trade value
third AS wanted out of 3-4 as much as anything. the money is not unreasonable for a healthy de who had ten sacks last year on very bad team.
I agree once we let it get out of hand with all the bad blood the trade possibilities dwindled.
The only bad blood is with the fans, and we have no bearing on trade possibilities.
Accept the fact there was no trade market for him. Nix's actions speak volumes about that fact, as well as the fact that they have no ill will toward him and that he ultimately wasn't in the their plans. -
The picture of him engaged with a tight end or OL makes him look like a defensive back.
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My prediction is that when you add their win total to their loss total it will equal 16. Unless they play more than 16 games, in which case it will add up to the total number of games they play. Based on the posts on this board, on any given week people will be both elated and angry, and every week someone will start a thread saying I told you so and I was wrong. I will read them, and sometimes I will agree, and sometimes I will disagree. Mostly, I will wonder why I never get anything productive done.
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If Schobel is so bad why the interest from Houston, Seattle and the Patriots?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/431610-...andful-of-teams
And if we knew he didn't fit in with the Bills so many months ago, don't you think we could have gotten something for him back then?
I suspect wherever he goes he's going to get a lot of playing time.
It was never a question of skill. If you are the GM of another team, what would you give in return for a guy who has said he wants to retire and has given every indication that he's serious, and now after being released still hasn't made up his mind to play? And if he does play, he wants concessions to spend as much time with his family as possible. Oh, and it's definitely his last year from what he's said. Yeah, I'd trade the world for him, too. There's no down side to talking to him or picking him up now.
Aside from the late round pick that the Bills may have been able to get for him, they lose nothing by parting ways with an older player who would have taken reps from a younger guy so that he could have switched positions to play one last year, leaving them in the same situation next year.
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Aren't you supposed to wait until your team is actually GOOD before you get all over a reporter for being negative?
If the team was good, Sullivan would have nothing to say. As someone pointed out, not only did he point out the obvious, he then took the opportunity to remind us that he thinks our QBs suck, and then somehow throws an unnecessary little OJ is a subhuman freak dig in there.
A number of years back, I challenged myself to start reading Buffalo News sports articles without reading the byline and see if I could identify Sullivan's by the unnecessary over-the-top negativity. Needless to say I was 100% accurate, most of the time after only finishing the first paragraph. Any time I've heard him on the radio or seen any blog or read any column he has been associated with it is negative. Someone ought to slip some antidepressants in his coffee if they're going to allow him to continue to have access to the public before his bull **** causes people to start jumping from rooftops in droves.
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A lot of us have seen it. At MNF against the Cowboys, Trent was already looking at Lee Evans before the snap and watched him throughout his route all the way until DeMarcus Ware tipped it and Terence Newman picked it off. Luckily, the Cowboys threw it right back to us when Romo threw to DiGiorgio but it didn't erase the fact that a serious flaw in Trent's game was exposed. He has a 25-24 TD-INT ratio over his career and he's stared down receivers a lot over the course of his career. Drew Bledsoe got away with it with that rocket arm of his but Trent's arm, although good, is nowhere near Bledsoe's and it's been costly. It's a habit I've seen out of him frequently.
I thought with the new coaching staff this year, that issue was going to leave his game. At the Open Practice this year, instead of staying on the sidelines like most fans, I went to my own endzone seat to get a better view of where Trent was looking...and he was still at it...he was watching Roscoe throughout the pass routes and even before the snap when he threw to him. I couldn't see a whole lot of where he was looking at last Saturday's practice but when I got done working yesterday, I started focusing on Trent during team drills....made some very nice throws. That part wasn't surprising, though....he does have a decent arm with some good accuracy. The part that I didn't believe was that I saw him actually look off safeties...not staring down his receivers. For example, on a nice bomb to Lee where he ran a 9 route down the left sideline, Trent didn't look his way til just before he threw the ball...he was looking over to his right, drawing safety help away from Lee. Whether that play was a case of Lee actually being his last option instead of the primary receiver on that play, I don't know...but Trent was looking away from his intended receiver quite a bit yesterday...a lot more than I've seen from him in his previous 3 years. If he can keep that up when the bullets are flying in a real game, I think he could become a very good QB for us
Thanks for the info. IMO we too often forget that Edwards is still a young QB. Not only do you need time to go through your progressions and have confidence that you're not going to get smeared, but I think many younger QBs need time to adjust and break that bad habit. As you alluded to, competent coaching should help. I think many young QBs enter the league telegraphing their throws. For all we know, based on TE's comments about this being the first time in his NFL career that a coach called plays to set up the defense, DJ told him to stare at his receivers (I kid... I think).
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"Can't argue aruge Sully's article much"
Speak for yourself.
I looked it up on the internet. I think he was trying to say that in addition to Sullivan being a whiney, Wheaties pissing, glass is half empty boil on the ass of society, he is also dyslexic (according to the Urban dictionary).
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Sullivan has balls calling out the Bills for having a loser's mentality, then he suggests they tank games for a draft pick. If you have good scouting you don't need a high daft pick to find players. The Bills will be better served learning how to win now than act like they're doing everyone a favor by losing.
Sorry John, but this is what I hate about Sully.
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Not to mention that if you like a guy that much, you can acquire the pick to get him (everybody has their price).
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I just got done with a live chat on the Buffalonews site with Jerry Sullivan.
Sully predicts the bills can look forward a 4-12 season this year, and seven and nine next year. As a goal.
He said we are more likely to be the worst team in the NFL than make the playoffs.
He also said the best thing for us is to lose as many games as possible to get a higher draft pick.
Sully: "You're a fan. Set your goals high. But understand that the best thing for this franchise is to get a high draft pick in a year where there might be several franchise QBs available."
Me: "I have more pride than to hope the bills lose to get a higher draft pick. If you think that, I dont believe you respect the game of football at all."
Sully: I'm not asking you to hope they lose. You obviously don't grasp the fine points of the argument. Sorry for not "respecting" your favorite game. You can't even present a literate screen name. Get out of here, you cretin.
He than banned me.
Why do we have to suffer this lack of professionalism from our journalists?
Neither are words I would associate with Sullivan. Maybe next time you can type in "whiney" font to make him feel more at ease. His response to you could have come straight from one of his blind and worthless columns, as I see 'em. He is the epitome of a douchebag.
The right thing to do with Trent Edwards
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Playing a stop-gap veteran also doesn't help you figure out what you have on the team now. It would be different if we had a championship caliber defense and were making a run at something, but otherwise bringing in short term garbage is not the answer.