Mr. WEO
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50 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:
Things seem a little strange with Lamar this season. Nothing I can put my finger on and not wearing a women‘s bonnet to a post game press conference strange like Cam….but there seems to be something going on in Baltimore. Don’t ask me how do I know because I don’t. Just a gut feeling.
No, No.I’ll raise you Kyler Murray.
Murray was never in the league Jackson is in. Murray’s just another bust-
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6 minutes ago, Simon said:
That whole team didn't even look like they belonged on the same field as Georgia.
yeah they were never in this game. QB has lead feet and noodle armwould rather see Texas in there.
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Bama QB is totally lost. 3 loss team in the playoffs??
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This is the softest QB in the NFL
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Touting the O line as top tier but not as good as last year (when I don’t think they were among the best) isn’t supported by the results.
Yes the WR room stinks, but it’s not materially different from last year, minus Dalton, who had a depressed sophomore effort last year anyway (was better this year before he went out, granted). Palmer is a WR 3/4 basically swapped for Hollins. His 3+ targets per game aren’t the difference…
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1 minute ago, Tanoros said:
Honestly, at this point I really have to applaud the consistency, not in your logic, but in your commitment to avoiding it.
We’ve now gone from:
“Number of sacks doesn’t mean anything about the O-line.”
to
“Allen has more sacks this year, so the O-line must be bad.”
…all while completely sidestepping pass block win rate, which has now been brought up twice and somehow keeps getting ignored like it’s in witness protection.
Just to remind you: PBWR specifically removes QB mobility, escape ability, scramble rate, extended plays, and all the things you keep trying to blame for last year’s excellent pass protection numbers. It measures only whether the lineman holds his block for 2.5 seconds. That’s it. None of the other noise factors in.
But since PBWR is apparently off-limits in this conversation, let me add one more inconvenient piece of objective data you’ll probably pretend not to see. I’m linking a composite chart that averages three independent analytics sources, PFF, ESPN, and SIS. This isn’t one metric. It’s three combined. Guess where the Bills land?
Top right quadrant.
Which, in case the axes are tricky:
• higher pass protection efficiency
• better EPA per dropback
• better overall performance
Basically: “this O-line is good.”
But I’m sure when you see it, we’ll get Installment #3 of the ongoing saga “Metrics Don’t Count Unless They Agree With Me.”
Because we’ve already watched you redefine the meaning of sacks twice in the same thread, first they were meaningless, now they’re definitive proof, and the only consistent thing so far has been your determination to ignore anything measurable when it contradicts your conclusion.
That’s not analysis. That’s stubborn narrative maintenance.
Look, you’re absolutely entitled to your opinion. If you feel the O-line is bad, nobody can stop you. But pretending the data is on your side while actively avoiding the data? That’s a different conversation entirely.
Anyway, take a look at the chart or enjoy selectively ignoring it.
Well, I didn't say the number of sacks is meaningless. I said he doesn't take nearly as many if he was a non mobile QB behind that line. Pretty simple. The logic of mentioning sacks (and pressures) is to point out that the O-line, as far as how it protects Josh Allen this year, is both subjectively and objectively worse based on end results.
I guess Allen is just squandering this top notch protection with poor QB play, no?
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On 11/28/2025 at 4:54 PM, Sojourner said:
Never understood the Dak hate either personally. If we didn’t have Josh, I’d take him in a heartbeat.you would never have to suffer through "Big Game Dak" threads....or many playoff games.
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9 minutes ago, Tanoros said:
I’m going to be very direct here, because you’ve drifted the conversation away from objective information.
Pass block win rate has nothing to do with a quarterback’s mobility. The definition is clear: it measures whether the lineman sustains his block for 2.5 seconds. Josh Allen escaping a sack does not change that metric. So the ongoing argument that “Allen makes the O-line look better than it is” simply doesn’t apply to PBWR.
In 2024, with the same five starters we have now, the Bills ranked among the best pass-blocking units in the league according to ESPN’s PBWR and SI’s grading. That isn’t opinion; that’s league-wide data.
Regarding Hoecht, the point isn’t that 64 snaps guarantee elite production. It’s that those snaps showed real disruption, power, and motor, which are exactly the traits the Bills have lacked on the edge. When you combine that with Oliver’s hot start and Bosa’s talent, it’s reasonable to believe the defensive front would have improved. That’s a roster-based evaluation, not an emotional one.
As for the claim that “the Rams defense got better without Hoecht,” that doesn’t really prove anything. Hoecht wasn’t a full-time starter there, and a defense improving or regressing year to year has far more to do with scheme changes, coaching shifts, draft picks, and overall depth than any single rotational defensive lineman. One player does not define a defense, especially one who wasn’t in a primary role.
At this point, the difference between our perspectives is simple. I’m basing my view on data such as PBWR, and the actual construction of the defensive front. Your response is based on subjective impressions and assumptions. We can disagree, but it’s important to acknowledge which arguments come from measurable facts and which come from emotion.
Exactly. Why hypothesize otherwise?
The results are that, after 12 games, Allen has already been sacked twice as many times as last season and will easily ecclipse his # of scrambles (already at 38 compared to 42 last season) and pressure %
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On 12/5/2025 at 11:00 AM, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
I mean of course not haha that was more a comment on how the ‘hot’ team can be accurately course corrected to the ‘overrated’ team at the drop of a hat in the nfl. Beating teams like the titans in September/October is essentially meaningless if you’re losing to teams like Baltimore/Buffalo in December
pats have had maybe one playoff relevant game all year so it’s still an incomplete for me but most of the sports world has crowned them it seems.
I think the "sports world" has simply noted that they have won 10 games in a row and lead a division (by 3 games) that the sports world rightly assumed the Bills would win walking away this season, while going from 30th in Offensive scoring to 7th and 22nd in points allowed to 5th.
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On 12/5/2025 at 10:46 AM, Tanoros said:
I think it’s important to look at what the roster actually was supposed to be this season, especially in the trenches, rather than judging strictly by what it became after injuries.
On the D-line:
We only got 64 snaps of Hoecht, but those snaps made it very clear why Beane signed him. He was explosive, powerful, and disruptive, exactly the kind of presence we’ve been missing opposite Bosa. Adding a healthy Hoecht to Bosa and an Oliver who came out red-hot in Week 1 had the real potential to give us one of the strongest defensive fronts we’ve fielded in years.
No, we can’t say for certain what the line would have looked like over a full season, but it’s absolutely fair to say losing Hoecht changed the makeup of the defense. His early play suggested he was going to be a major upgrade against the run and a boost to the pass rush. Pair that with Bosa’s talent and Oliver’s fast start, and Beane clearly had built this line to be a strength.
If anything, the problem wasn’t the plan, it’s that injuries wiped out the plan before it had a chance to take shape.
On the O-line:
The idea that this offensive line is “bad at pass protection” doesn’t match the actual data. According to SI’s evaluation of the 2024 season, with the exact same five starters we brought into 2025, the Bills:
• allowed just 14 sacks, the fewest in the NFL
• ranked among the top pass-blocking units by several analytic measures
• posted one of the league’s better pass-block win rates
• and received strong individual protection grades across all five positions
These aren’t subjective observations, they’re objective league-wide comparisons. Buffalo’s O-line wasn’t just “fine” in pass protection last year; it was one of the most efficient and consistent lines in the league.
So while they are indeed stronger in run blocking, calling them “bad at pass protection” simply doesn’t align with reality. It’s an emotional reaction, not a fact-based one.
Big picture:
Both the O-line and D-line were areas where Beane made deliberate, well constructed moves this offseason and before building the O-line. The offensive line has performed at a legitimately high level with these same five starters, and the defensive line had the pieces to be a true strength before injuries derailed it, especially with Hoecht flashing so much in his brief window.
as I qulaified, he O-line looks as it does only becuase of the skill and athleticism. Watching the games, that is clearly why he takes as few sacks asn he does.
Hoecht's "flashes" are just as likely to have been simply that. LA didn't miss him at all--in fact their D went from 17 in points allowed to #2 without him.
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11 hours ago, Tanoros said:
I hear you on a lot of this, and honestly I agree that Beane could have done a better job in a few key areas. Early in Allen’s career, the whole conversation was about protecting him and building a real run game, and Beane absolutely did that. The O line is the best it’s been in decades and the run game is actually a strength now.
But I also think that came at the cost of the WR room. While we were investing heavily in the trenches and the defense, especially the D line, and O-line, the receiver group slowly fell behind. And you’re right: the D line drafting hasn’t been good enough for the amount of capital that went into it.
Where I think we differ is how much that overshadows the rest. Because even with the roster flaws, this team is still competitive every single week. We can beat anyone in the league this season, and we’ve done that for years, that’s not something I’m willing to dismiss.
And this year especially, the injuries on defense have been brutal. Losing guys like Oliver and Hoecht completely changes what the defense looks like. With both of them healthy, the front seven would look drastically different. Some of this season really has been bad luck, not just bad building.
So yeah, the roster could absolutely be better. Beane has real misses that deserve criticism. But I can recognize that and still appreciate that we field a team every year that’s capable of making a run. That’s all I was trying to get across, we can want better without acting like everything is broken.
The O-line, when healthy is bad at pass protection. A nonmobile QB back there would be leading the league in sacks every season.
Also, it's impossible to claim "losing Hoecht (a guy who has been a Bill for 64 snaps) completely changes what the Defense looks like". Who knows how they would have looked had he not been busted for juicing and played the whole season to this point?
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16 hours ago, frostbitmic said:
Jackson - It won't be this year, none of the 4 will be this year but Lamar has the best coaching and probably is on the best roster of the four.
Jackson is a terrible playoff QB.
"Best coaching"?? Harbaugh has won 4 playoff games in the last 11 years (losing twice to the Bills). McD has 7 in the past 5.
Harbaugh is Baltimore's Mike Tomlin at this point--still eating free lunch off that SB win a million years ago.
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12 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
I think we gotta wait a few weeks to really know who the pats are. If they lose to us and Baltimore their public perception is gonna take an absolutely massive hit.. if they win both the ‘don’t talk about NE’s schedule’ people will be completely vindicated. Should be interesting to see what happens
public perception doesn't win games.
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this should put an end to any of that insane "Dak should be in the MVP Conversation" nonsense heard since Thanksgiving.
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35 minutes ago, boyst said:
i think Dalls is gonna make the playoffs but get bounced quick, but may win their first round.
if they lose tonight no way
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1 hour ago, boyst said:
oh i get it. it's all about timing.
right now there are a few teams that are propped up by their schedules and by their confidence. Carolina is one of them, above KC who is not a fraud just a not it team. The next tier of frauds is the Seahawks (where i think the Bills are at this moment but improving possibly), while the Patriots are the next level above with other teams.
The Patriots are making the AFCC in my book but will get beat by the Broncos and most NFC teams in the playoffs.
Broncos schedule is pretty soft as well. 3 quality wins (I threw Dallas there but if they lose tonight they might be done at 6 wins after 14 weeks).
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anabolics are a hell of a drug..
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20 hours ago, boyst said:
In the playoffs I'd take KC over NE. I'd take us over them. Phili, Detroit, seasoned teams. New England has not proven themselves as anything more than paper tigers right now. They showed me nothing against Atlanta because Atlanta choked.
Falcons stink and they beat the BIlls. KC is at .500....1-3 their past 4 games and might not make the playoffs.
Remember a few years ago when posters here said the Chiefs were "paper tigers"?
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Tre White needs a mentor
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3 hours ago, boyst said:
Luckily you don't have to know much for the chuck it downfield offense that he offers and the Broncos need.
I think the Broncos season ends in the divisional or conf championship round.
It'll be embarrassing when the AFCC is two young up and comers to the conference between New England and Denver. Both will get curb stomped against the top NFC teams.
The entire field of the AFC is interesting. Bills a near lock #5 traveling to the AFC North. The Bengals have a decent chance to win that conference, the Ravens slightly lower (IMO), and the Steelers no chance.
The Jags as the South hosting the Chiefs, the Patriots at number 2 hosting the #7 is irrelevant.
The Chiefs and Bills are playoff seasoned and dangerous. The Chiefs and Bills would easily be more favored than most.
Who would curb stomp both of them? Maybe Rams. But Eagles? GB?....Bears??
If NE is #2, who is at #1?
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why not smuggle your own dogs in?
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16 hours ago, boyst said:
That team needs targets downfield for that offense. He can open up their playbook. Let's hope he can latch on and have some great games against everyone but the Bills
it's his 5th team in 5 years--he's not opening playbooks...
this dude was the 34th pick in the draft.
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On 12/1/2025 at 5:04 PM, Buffalo716 said:
Of course it's not at the Texas or Georgia level
But I wouldn't say it's bad football...
I still scout HS ball in the mid Atlantic region from NY and PA to NJ and Delaware to Maryland and you will see a mixed bag from top 25 nationally to not great
Don Bosco and Bergen are terrific in NJ .. but not all is that level
5A 6A Texas and Georgia ball , that just breeds a higher level competition..
Having more schools, smaller divisions does water down the competition a bit and spread out the talent
Compared to super teams you see in Texas or Georgia
but even Iona prep has put out a good amount of division 1 football players The last 5 years... That is a good football program .. there's a reason why they are number one in the state
Agree
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2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Have you ever watched C football in New York?
That's not great high School football
Iona has a kid going to North Carolina there's literally 150 New York schools who don't have one player of that caliber
You're comparing it to Texas ball or big time Pennsylvania ball or Georgia football yeah it's not that level
New York at that level is still better than 20 States
it would make no sense to compare any top NY high school team to 150 other NY schools. The topic here is the game pitting the top 2 Catholic schools.
the fact that Iona has a kid headed to NC doesn’t mean the quality of the game was better. But yes comparing to Texas or Georgia etc is what I was getting at. It’s not at that high school level…
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Giants D - Super Bowl XXV
in The Stadium Wall
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Burrow barely completed half his passes last week.
Bengals have the worst running and passing defenses in the league. It won't matter if Glass Toe Joe gets his 1 or 2 TDs. If Brady can't scheme for this joke of a Defense then he needs to be fired postgame.