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14 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:
Best CB we’ve ever had when healthy. Loved his attitude and everything about him but I understand the move. Hope he rebounds and plays great for an NFC team.
Sorry, young’n. Best CB was Robert James. He’d be in the HOF if not for a devastating knee injury in a meaningless preseason game.
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2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:
The thread is about Free Agent Signings that put teams over the top. I pointed out that Charles Haley Was not a free agent signing. Haley brought an element Dallas did not have for the most part in 90 and 91 when they turned it around. However their defensive line was pretty good, it was their secondary that needed the most work and that is why Detroit with that unique for the time Run n Shoot offense was a mismatch. Detroit also was impossible to beat at the silverdome that year.
Since you want to take this approach with me I will respond accordingly. I started watching the nfl as a kid in 83. I am well aware of that era of the nfl. Dallas had another excellent draft in 92 which added to the team Kevin Smith, Robert Jones and Darren Woodson. Smith was outstanding, Jones was the rookie of the year and Woodson had a hall of fame career. Woodson is still the modern day prototype safety, Big and strong to play the run but quick and agile enough to cover the slot. He should be in the hall of fame. During the season they traded for safety Thomas Everett. They completely remade their secondary in 92 and it was unique for the time with a guy like woodson playing in Dallas mostly Cover 4 scheme on the backend. Haley was brought in right before the summer and fit right in providing the edge rush they needed but Dallas defense improved tremendously that offseason Haley withstanding.
I remember that Dallas draft so well because they drafted a player from Tennessee who went the rival high school of my high school....He was from Rome Free Academy (Rome, NY) and I was in 9th grade at the time at Proctor High School (Utica, NY) RFA and Proctor were rivals especially in baseball (my sport). Both had (Have) excellent baseball programs.
so again the thread is about free agent signings and you are mansplaining (somewhat incorrectly) Haley's importance to Dallas defense.
So one more time, Charles Haley was not a free agent signing that led to a championship because he was not a free agent signing.
that was 4 seasons later.
The packers underwent a ton of change in those 4 years before they won the superbowl. They got beat by Dallas in each of those 3 playoff losses in part because their big time free agent signing, Reggie White got manhandled by Dallas right tackle Eric Williams. Williams owned white.
Williams owned everybody. Maybe the best “unknown” lineman of all time. He physically destroyed a pretty good player in Phil Hansen in the Super Bowl rematch.
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We’re entering the most ridiculously over-hyped period of the entire NFL calendar (and no, it’s not because I’m bitter that the Bills have zero money to spend on free agents).
So, when has signing a FA worked to get a team a Super Bowl championship? Clearly, it’s happened. Reggie White in Green Bay. Brady in Tampa Bay. It took a couple of years but Brees in NO. Who am I missing?
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1 hour ago, Chaos said:
Its a cap move. too much cap hit for a backup.
True, but I also think that they do like Anderson.
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1 hour ago, babulator said:
Just think we could have drafted him and still had another 1st round pick. o\ F!@%ing Whaley. That trade/pick set us back years...
Not quite true. Tampa Bay picked him before our original pick was up. On the other hand, trading up for a HOF receiver would have been worth trading next year’s one. Truly a monumental FU by the front office. Make the trade and pick Mack or Evans. Stay put and pick Beckham or Donald. Rest of our draft that year was crap as well.
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I’m not a cap guru, so I’m trying to figure out how the Bills got to where they are. Allen, obviously. Miller, Diggs and to a lesser extent Knox? I find it hard to second guess Diggs deal. Miller has at least some bad luck attached to his deal, although counter is you just don’t give that kind of deal to a 33 year old. Can a couple of bad deals put you in cap hell? What am I missing?
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Forget for a second who KC selected with the pick. I’m not a draft guru but it seems like we didn’t get a whole lot for dropping from #10 to #27. What would it cost us to move to #10 this draft? It cost us next year’s #1 to move from #8 to #4 to draft Sammy Watkins. Note: bad teams should NEVER trade next year’s #1, right Carolina?
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Not trying to obsess about Kansas City but as a football fan, I’m genuinely curious as to whether Spagnuolo made adjustments at half time of various games and if so, what those adjustments were. Not going to go through the entire season, just the two Bills games and the Super Bowl. Also, not going to look at Miami, which was never going to be a threat against anyone in zero degree weather. Baltimore was an anomaly. Even though it only scored three points, its offense was markedly better in the second half. But in the two games against the Bills and the game against the 49ers, the stats are striking. Bills regular season - 14 first half points and 208 yards. Second half - 6 points and 119 yards. Playoff game - 17 first half points and 225 yards. Second half - 7 points and 143 yards. Super Bowl - 10 first half points and 204 yards. Second half - 9 and 112.
Has anyone come across any expert analysis as to what KC changed up, if anything, at the half of any of these games?
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1 hour ago, ren1701 said:
This is literally the smartest thing anyone has said yet - right on brother.
Everyone talking about "not a big deal" - this guy can flip the field but of course be content with 37 yarders in a playoff game.
The real truth is the Bills jumped the gun when the allegations came out, and he has no interest, especially when he can go to KC get a ring. If the Bills were so high and morality mighty, Von would have been gone the day after too, just like this kid, but the morality clause in his contract voided the $$ and his girl figured out real quick half of zero is zero... and recanted.
Need to start looking at the Bills without the homer glasses - they are built for "sustainability", Beane said so himself - sustainability is the word he has used over and over. A championship is not first priority, never was, or they would have sold the farm 2 years ago to do it – A winning record and filling seats, is just enough to keep interest and if a championship should happen then. all the better, but don’t believe for a second, it's about a championship.
The end of the day, we are out coached, out gunned and out rostered and the ONLY thing that keeps us in the W is 17 - without which, McD is a .500 coach at best.
Sorry - from an OG here and I don't post much but the more things chang, the more they stay the same - it literally is a rehash of the Kelly years
JFC, the Bills didn't "jump the gun". He was accused of gang raping a 17 year old. Bills had two choices. Cut him or keep him on the roster. Bills were Super Bowl favorites going into that season. Keeping him on the roster would have been an insane distraction. None of it was fair to Azaria. He was accused, not convicted. But to argue that the Bills has a choice here is disingenuous at best.
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Go back and look at the allegations. They were horrific. Azaria and two teammates allegedly gang raped a 17 year old. There was no way the Bills were keeping him on the roster after that. It stinks but it was as inevitable as it was unfair. I’m glad he has cleared his name and glad he’s getting a second chance. I wish the second chance was with the Bills.
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Mods, I’m begging you to shut this thread down because it’s making my brain hurt. Have no idea what it is supposed to be about to begin with but it’s devolved into a few Bills fans trying to rebut various asinine points coming from the KC Troll Brothers. The Bros insist on having the last word so instead of that, please put a stop to the madness. Thanks!
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Not sure what you mean but I’m a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.
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1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said:
"Not a good look" is never a reason to get the pitchforks out. Come on now.
Please see post from BillsFanForever19 above. Couldn’t put it any better than that. I’ll say it for the third time. There was ZERO chance Bills were keeping Azaria after the allegations came out. And I say that as someone who was very disappointed that it turned out that way. What was the one preseason punt? 82 yards? Kid could have been a valuable weapon for us but it was not to be, cherie.
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1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said:
Araiza had a consensual sex with a 17 year old. That would have been perfectly legal in NY and many other US states. It was technically illegal in CA, but of course he wasn't charged with anything in relation to that because nobody prosecutes stuff like that.
Tried to do this from memory. If it was consensual, what theory was her attorney pushing? Was she drunk? In any event, a 22 year old having sex with a 17 year old isn’t a great look. I’ll repeat. No way the Bills were going to do anything other than cut him after the allegations came out.
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1 hour ago, Beach said:
i blame all of you with the pitchforks before we could hear any real evidence
There was ZERO chance Bills were doing anything other than cutting him once the allegations were made. Remember the allegations? Having non consensual sex with a minor?
Remember the Bills were consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl going into that year. There was again zero chance of keeping him on the roster and have the daily distractions stemming from having an accused rapist on the team.
Was it fair? Of course not. Is it insane that he signed with our arch rival? Of course it is. But it’s the Bills. Another brick in the wall.
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2 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:
Playoff Chiefs, and Mahomes in particular, are a different animal than the regular season Chiefs. The Patriots were the same way. They'd have a mediocre regular season or stretches of bad play, and then flip the switch in the postseason and take another trophy. Mahomes is on a different level of focus when it gets real. I remember when the Alex Smith Chiefs blew out two really good Patriots teams in the regular season. Like, annihilated them. But guess who was hoisting the trophy in the end while the Chiefs were one and done?
If a KC fan were to view the 13 seconds game as a product of poor defense, would you feel slighted? Doesn't seem like any of you will give credit to a team that's had one of the most successful stretches in NFL history, particularly offensively. And you could certainly make the case that defense was mostly responsible for that, as if you take away just the one instance of the DB falling down on 4th and forever, it's probably a comfortable win for KC.
And what no one ever mentions is that KC's defense hasn't been stellar in the regular season OR playoffs until this year. 37 pts allowed in the loss to NE in '18. The next year they allowed an average of 25 ppg and 31 vs the Texans. Including a 24-0 hole early in the game. Gave up 31 vs Tampa in the SB. 36 to the Bills in 21. 27 to Cincy the next week. 35 vs Philly in the SB.
Now you’re just making stuff up. New England played mediocre during the regular season and “turning it up” post season? Pal, you came to the wrong forum to peddle that. We watched twenty years of NE pound, not only us, but the whole AFC East during the regular season. Pounded pretty much everyone in the league during the regular season. Maybe they had an off game against KC once but they absolutely did not coast during the regular season. I figured someone would make the pitch that Mahomes “turned it up a notch” in the playoffs. Like game against Ravens (17 points) or regulation against the 49ers (one TD in regulation on a short field)?
Look, Mahomes is great. Certainly one of the all time greats. No one is disputing that. The point I’m trying to make is that the Bills defense in the playoffs against KC and the Bengals has been very, very bad. Mahomes and Burrow didn’t have to play Superman in any of those games to come out winners. Proof? Look no further than 13 seconds. Possibly the worst coaching job in the history of the NFL (not exaggerating). First play was a dump off to Hill that literally every QB in the league would have completed. Next play was a seam pass to a wide open Kelce. Nothing extraordinary. Contrast that with Bengals second half D in AFC title game that they won. Brilliant strategy brilliantly executed. Not sure why any of this is up for argument.
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23 minutes ago, beebe said:
The 2020 game was played in the rain. The Chiefs ran 46 times vs 26 pass attempts (completed 21-of-26 passes for 225 yards and 2 TDs anyway.) Giving up 6.4 ypp against a predominantly run-based attack is a terrible defensive outing. Most Bills fans I know found that particular loss to be demoralizing due to it being a physical beatdown.
The 2021 game was the lightning suspended game where the 2nd half was also played in the rain. The Chiefs were 5 YPP (clear underachieve) and had just 20 points, but self destructed with four turnovers. The Bills were far superior here, no argument there, and I'd say this was the one game out of the seven recent meetings where the D performed well.
The 2022 game, in the first five games of the year pre Chiefs game, the Bills allowed: 3.7 ypp, 3.5 ypp, 5.4 ypp, 4.6 ypp and 5.1 ypp. Then they gave up 6.3 to the Chiefs, which was their second-worst defensive outing of the year. An endzone INT and a missed FG prevented the Chiefs from getting 30 points. Again, the Bills did enough here to get the win, including holding strong on KC's final drive.
The 2023 game, the Chiefs offense - horrible as it was all regular season, recycling through awful WR options, and down Pacheco - actually performed better than expected. They had 5.6 YPP (would have finished with 6.7 yards per play had the Toney play stood). KC's D held Buffalo to just 4.5 yards per play.
In four regular season games, KC has still been 6.1 yards per play vs the Bills, which is basically a full yard higher than the Bills typically allow.
Is this supposed to refute my post? Not sure I'm following. Is your point that Bills' D plays really well in the regular season and really well in the post-season against everyone except Mahomes? My point is that the D plays poorly in the post-season in general (except for one game) and especially poorly against the Chiefs. Second point is that Bills D against Chiefs in regular season is pretty decent and in the post-season mind-numbingly bad. Not sure how you can refute that given the regular and post-season stats.
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On 2/17/2024 at 4:55 PM, beebe said:
Bills defense in playoff games, Josh Allen era:
vs Texans - 5.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 19 pts in regulation)
vs Colts - 6.2 yards per play allowed (gave up 24 pts, bills led by 14 pts until late rally)
vs Ravens - 4.7 yards per play allowed (gave up 3 pts)
vs Chiefs - 7.4 yards per play allowed (gave up 38 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -4 yards)
vs Patriots - 5 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including a garbage-time TD)
vs Chiefs - 7.6 yards per play allowed (gave up 36 pts in regulation)
vs Dolphins - 3.3 yards per play allowed (gave up 31 pts, but includes defensive score and two other scores via TO)
vs Bengals - 5.9 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed two CIN kneel downs for -1 yards)
vs Steelers - 5.1 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including gift-wrapped score off blocked FG)
vs Chiefs - 8.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -6 yards)
The common narrative here is that the Bills defense "comes up short in the playoffs." The truth is, against non Chiefs playoff opponents, the very strong Bills regular season defense has performed the exact same in the playoffs. Against non Chiefs teams (2019 thru 2023), Buffalo's defense gives up an average of 19.7 points and 5.1 yards per play in the playoffs. That's exactly on par with their regular season performance during the same years (2019 thru 2023), where they allowed 19.2 points and 5.14 yards per play.
But against the Chiefs, the Bills come up short. In their 10 playoff games, their three worst games in yards per play have all come against the Chiefs. These aren't just bad performances, they are epic bad, and would rank among their very worst in a sample of 80+ regular season games in that time frame.
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vs non Chiefs: 5.1 yards per play, 19.7 points allowed
vs Chiefs: 7.8 yards per play, 33.6 points allowed
Do you see the difference?
The Bills don't have a playoff defense problem. They don't have a "paper tiger" defense problem.
They have a Patrick Mahomes problem.
Your entire premise falls apart when you look at the regular season games between Allen and Mahomes: 2020 - Bills D gives up 27 points and 6.4 YPP (2020 Chiefs were CLEARLY superior team - I thought McDermott’s strategy of letting the Chiefs run all over us but don’t let Mahomes beat us was interesting); 2021 - 20 and 5.0; 2022 - 20 and 6.3; 2023 - 17 and 5.6. So what’s your argument? Regular season games are meaningless? Mahomes doesn’t try very hard in regular season games (he sure was crying after this year’s loss)? Injuries? Chiefs didn’t have Pacheco in regular season loss. Bills’ D injuries killed them in the post-season. Or maybe Reid seriously out coaches McDermott in the post-season? Bills’ D has been the team’s Achilles heel in the last four postseason losses (D was awful in loss to Bengals). It hasn’t been terribly good in the wins - giving up over 6 yards per play to Old Man Rivers, beating Thompson and Rudolf (hooray!). The ONE great postseason game from the D was against Jackson. Bills have defended well against him every time we have a played him.
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6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
and knox and oliver and bass, etc etc
i think we will have to suffer for a few years here tbh
Oliver! Agenda, much?
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5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Well… I’m sure they would prefer not to cut Morse …but they need to find $80m in savings … and even with that long laundry list noted above they still don’t get there..I would also prefer them to get there without restructuring Diggs and Miller any further … so tough moves like this might have to be made…
They had the opportunity to move on from Bates 2 years back … but elected to keep him and match the Bears tender .. so they must have seen something that perhaps we don’t see as yet …we don’t really know what he has at C as Morse hasn’t missed a game there in years …
Many experts were praising Anderson’s physical play in the preseason. If Morse is cut, I think they will give Anderson a shot at starting center.
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1 hour ago, Tuco said:
Chris Jones played for something like $20 million. What cap page are you looking at?
The link in this thread. Certainly I can be misinterpreting it because $5 million for Jones seems absurd.
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Thanks for starting this thread. Went to look at KC’s cap situation. Some crazy stuff there (if I’m reading it right). J. Taylor and Thuney making $10 million more than Kelce (who basically makes the same as Knox - LOL). The biggest thing that jumps out is how the #### did KC get Chris Jones to play for $5 million this season??? He should fire his agent immediately.
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Really hate the doom and gloom window is closed BS. Is there a Bills FA you would cry over losing in free agency? Maybe D. Jones. Who else? How successful have the Bills been in signing impact FA’s? After 2024 we can dump Diggs and Miller if that is the right play. Chiefs are under the cap but Chris Jones, Sneed and Gay are FA’s either they sign these guys and there goes their cap or they try to win a SB without one or all of them. Personally, I believe no Chris Jones, no SB for the Chiefs.
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I know I shouldn’t get upset by this stuff but Get Up had a segment this morning: which QB will win their first Super Bowl next? Greenberg had his five ranked (5) Herbert; (4) Jackson; (3) Burrow; (2) Purdy; and (1) Love. Why NFC QB’s # 1 and 2? AFC QB’s can’t get by Mahones, maybe an NFC QB will get there and then luck out to a win. The three other panelists had Burrow as their pick. Why? Only Burrow has the mental strength to look across the field at Mahones and say to himself, “ I’m going to win this game”. Paraphrasing but you get the point. How about Allen? This year was his best chance and he couldn’t get it done (said the same about Jackson).
Honestly, I’m thinking of switching to being a fan of the Premier League for a couple of years. This stuff is going to be unbearable.8
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How does today compare to Black Thursday Feb 10, 2000?
in The Stadium Wall
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Bills eventually recovered from Black Thursday (granted it took 20 years 🥲). Sabres still looking to recover from the day they lost Drury and Briere.