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OK ......it is obvious that the Bills are not going to fire Jauron this week ,as a matter of fact I think we a stuck with him for the rest of the season sad as it may sound.
But it is clear that Edwards is not going to be the franchise QB we are looking for. Granted the O-line sucks but there were times that he did have time to throw and continues to not give his WRs chances.
So since we all know we are stuck with Juaron here's a few things Id like to see him do
1.Bench Trent If only for one game just to see what Fitzpatrick can do. It cant hurt anything now. Your 1-4.
2.Bench Roscoe For one game for the Saints fumble and for this weeks fumble to show some accountablity.
3. Get Steve Johnson on the active roster. To take Roscoe's place
4. huddle up..... for Gods sake Please?????
5. find a Veteran O-Lineman.......
If he did those 5 things I for one would feel a bit better. As least for the time being.
Ok fire away lol
Good suggestions my #1 would be this:
1. Get rid of the no huddle. I realize DJ/AVP don't necessarily intend to use it as a hurry-up, just to keep the defense off balance. The problem is, we've got 5 rookies on the OL (including S. Nelson) and only 1 guy with any significant NFL experience (Hangartner). Most likely their biggest issue right now is knowing their correct blocking assignments on every play (especially pass plays). Do you think Hangartner can handle making sure all these guys are on the same page, especially since this is his first year in our system? At least with a huddle they could gather themselves and discuss assignments more easily. I think all the false starts on Sun. are indicative that these guys are still trying to figure out what they're supposed to be doing and then AVP tries some fancy snap counts just to give them something else to think about.
Somehow AVP has to find a comfort zone with the o-line and go from there. Defense is in real trouble at least until Puz gets back, and who the hell knows if he'll be able to keep his forearm unbroken.
Trent Edwards seems to me like he has zero faith in the o-line to protect him. Can't really blame him for that but there are plays he gets adequate protection but it doesn't change his checkdown approach. If we're getting killed next week maybe we'll get a chance to see if Fitz can do any better.
Even if they're worried about Runyan's knee, why not sign him and try and stabilize that O-line? Maybe he just wants too much money.
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He lost the team when he punted in the 4th quarter of the New Orleans game, and I find it hard to blame them.
It has got to be tough to stay motivated when you know deep down at some point in the game your Head Coach is going to have at least one WTF moment and leave them at a competitive disadvantage.
That whole situation was just such a defining theme of Jauron. Your defense just got gashed for a touchdown and is showing signs of wearing down. Offense hasn't done squat all day, 8 min left and you need minimum TD and FG to tie. 4th and 1 from your own 30. Try and spark your offense by going for it? Hell no, got to punt! After New Orleans got the ball back what was the first play Coach Payton called? Long bomb down the right sideline. Incomplete, but he sent the message to his offense that it was time to stomp on the Bills. And the rest is history.
Jauron pretty much lost me on that one too. Don't care if I see them again this year(didn't bother to watch the Browns/Bills came here in Cleve). I always laugh when Jauron talks about putting his players in a position to succeed. He thinks that simply means extensive preparation. Hah.
I laugh too when Lee Evans talks about the players simply having to execute. It's hard to execute when your morale has been broken by inept coaching.
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You know where to find us.
Semi-serious question: if I wanted to fix an opponent-themed tailgate entree -- i.e., jambayala and po' boys for New Orleans, chowdah for Boston -- does Cleveland have any regional specialties? Otherwise, it's burgers and Sahlen's. (Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
Sadly, I haven't found too many unique foods/entrees here in Cleveland, great ethnic foods like Buffalo but not a lot of unique ones. If you're going to have Sahlen's I'd highly recommend picking up some of this:
http://www.stadiummustard.com/
Good stuff and definitely an addictive Cleveland staple. Only other things I have found were Candy Buckeyes and grape pie:
http://cleveland.about.com/od/northeastohi.../r/grapepie.htm
Grape pie sounds wierd, but man is it good. Sorry, wish I knew of something good but kielbasa and pierogies would definitely work well. Potato w/cheese definitely a staple here.
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I was thinking the same thing.
Can someone explain to me how today's trade helps the Browns?
The Browns just got rid of a headache. I live here in Cleveland and at least since the beginning of last season Braylon's not been focused when he's on the field. Tons of drops, but also not expecting the ball and not running good patterns. His stats last year belie the fact that he dropped a ton of throws all year. Sure, he's got a ton of talent, folks around here think he doesn't like being in this smaller market to begin with and he seems to have a pretty large ego. I agree with this thinking and quite a lot of fans are tired of their all-pro receiver seeming disinterested and screwing up. Throw in a couple injuries and the latest trouble punching a guy in the face which he may get a suspension for and it was the last straw. Couple that with Mohamed Massaquoi having a great game holding on to Anderson's lasers and bye-bye Braylon.
Browns fans on the whole aren't too broken up about this for the reasons outlined above and I don't blame them. The easiest way to relate this to Bills fans is to pretend Peters wasn't traded this offseason and was here playing even worse than last year. Then he assaulted someone at a local bar Sunday night. Would you be sorry to see him traded? Sure he's a great talent but is mostly a liability during the game, and a crappy attitude to boot.
Time for the Browns to move on. Gives them a chance to work Josh Cribbs and Brian Robiskie in more. Browns are better off with Cribbs or a rookie in there. At least they'll play hard and hold on to most of the passes thrown their way.
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Good Question,
I'm a big fan and live on the far east side of Cleveland (Willoughby). Which Panini's was it as there's a number of them around Cleve and the suburbs? My kids are just starting to get old enough that I may be able to slip out on Sundays to catch the game so I'd definitely be interested to know if there's a "Bills" bar here. Sorry I don't have any good info for you.
Gary
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Well count me in as one of the one's who were laughing at those who thought the world was going to end. It happens all the time, people start thinking aloud with their actions, and I find it humorous.
My comment of "Preseason games don't count" was an intentional use of hyperbole, targeted towards the flock of bipolar headless chickens that roam around the board.
Of course there is a value to Preseason games, it helps assess what needs to be corrected and who can hopefully get the job done, but to get carried away with the negativity that has been displayed here is laughable.
I believe I'm understanding your intended use of the hyperbole but part of my point is that you choose to use this hyperbole at all. You call these folks bipolar headless chickens, but what does that make you? So there's a group of people who get bipolar over the Bills and there's the group of people(like you) who get bipolar over people getting bipolar about the Bills. Other than a different bipolar trigger, I don't see a lot of difference between the 2 groups.
The funny thing to me (imo) was that the headless bipolar chicken group was closer to being right than your "all is well, remain calm you headless bipolar chickens" group. And in all honesty, I don't think I was extreme but I felt the offense had some significant problems based on its preseason performances.
Believe me, I fully agree with your distaste to the extreme reactionism that regularly occurs on this board. I do my best to ignore it and not participate in it because everyone's entitled to their own opinion but then to engage it simply prolongs it. Unfortunately, I could now be considered guilty of doing that too, so I'll stop.
I'm not intending to be insulting with this so my apologies in advance if it comes off that way, you seem reasonably minded and I'm just asking you to consider the entire picture here.
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When will people admit :
THAT PRESEASON GAMES DON'T COUNT
I think everyone realizes preseason games dont count. When will you admit
PRESEASON GAMES DO MEAN SOMETHING
While some around here were pretending that the putrid performance in the preseason by the offense was something to be dismissed, it was the final straw for Turk Schonert and Langston Walker. Trent Edwards and Lee Evans, who both were talking to the press like the performances were meaningless, were voicing their worries about the offense to Dick Jauron behind closed doors.
While I understand that some people here were getting way to worked up and fatalistic about the preseason, I had to laugh at the others mocking them and acting like it was nothing. It was clear in the preseason that something needed to be done about the offense and it was. That was the undeniable truth and the corrective actions of the Bills were the ultimate proof of this truth.
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i'm going with the theory that we replaced overpaid, lazy, SOFT, slobs
with
young, enthusiastic, intelligent, angry, athletic guys who WANT to play
just my .02 of uninformed rambling
That'd be my reason also. Because of this, I'm guessing that's why they won't resign Walker, if they can't get or don't want Runyon look for them to sign a serviceable backup and let Scott make his own way. I'm sure there'll be plenty of b*tching on this board but I think Kugler wants guys with the right attitude and mobility.
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I won't totally disagree with you.
Most businesses are results-oriented so heed must be paid to ability.
That said, most businesses are also heavily politicized and there are many cases of players not getting the opportunity to play simply because of where they were drafted, how much they got in a free agent contract, who their position coach is, or because the player in front of them is possibly being given one last chance to prove himself or showcase himself to scouts....
If Steve Johnson isn't more effective from scrimmage than Roscoe Parrish is, then they should simply cut him. Because Roscoe Parrish might be the worst 4th wide receiver in the NFL. Then again we don't know how bad Johnson is because he isn't given the chance to build on the brief glimpses of ability he's shown in the past.
And on a very related subject, am I the only one who thinks that the only reason Aaron Maybin is playing is because he's a first round pick?
Is it possible that the Bills might be better served sitting him down for a few weeks, getting him into football shape, work on developing him some counter moves and at the same time letting Chris Ellis show what he's capable of?
I agree with you completely with all this. In addition, I would just add that Roscoe is one of those players who simply spends too much time running back and forth across the field instead of up and down it. When he first started doing punt returns he had this problem. Then for the past year or 2 he finally realized he needs to accelerate vertically then bust a move. But in the NE game I was troubled to see that on PR's he was again back to his old habits.
I don't get to watch many Bills games but every time I have, when Roscoe's a receiver the moment he touches the ball he's trying to spin or bust some kind of move instead of just accelerating vertically. In his defense, I think he would be most effective catching the ball on the run but it seems like they don't use him that way much. Probably just doesn't have very good hands.
IMO Maybin's gotten a lot of respect from the left tackle/guard. That'll end as more coaches look at film of him. He takes a lot of short choppy steps coming off the ball and looks like he's still trying to learn the game at this level. He's definitely got talent but hasn't proven it yet. Bills need his abilities badly though and I agree with the number of plays they're using him. To me, only if he becomes a big liabiity do you cut his plays.
That being said, I really would like them to throw Ellis in there more. In the Pittsburgh preseason game, I was most impressed with his separation and ability to flow to the ball, it seemed better than Kelsay or Denney. I suspect the coaches want a game well in hand before they put him in there. We'll see.
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and all of these players were happy the prior year under the tutelage of McNally.
Enter Turk (as OC) and Kugler(as OL coach) and everyone is running for the exits.
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must be the Flouride in the water in Buffalo
Can't say I was ever very impressed with the O-line play under McNally. Between having mostly inadequate centers, Walker who was never that highly regarded when he was brought from Oakland, Dockery who left his heart in DC, and Peters who couldn't believe he was making less to much less than the rest of these immobile turds, the magnitude of the last few years' O-line problems is completely obvious.
I don't think it's McNally's fault. It seems like he did favor those roadgrader-type lineman, the FO just never got in guys with the proper motivation and/or talent.
It's obvious Kugler favors more mobile, slightly smaller guys with a nasty attitude. After watching the NE game, especially on a screen pass when Hangartner got out in space and basically layed out to make a block on a defender to spring Freddy, I'm very much liking this O-line.
I think Kugler wanted this group of guys together and so guys like Langston/Dockery may have gotten screwed a bit.
But where was Vince Wilfork in that game? This O-line has a ways to go to become a cohesive, dominant unit but I feel more optimistic about them then I have in at least the last 5 years. They at least seem to have a high sense of pride in doing their job well.
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It seems to me teams are respecting his talent but his ability is not there yet. From what I could see, seems like the Pats committed 2 linemen for him early on then only the LT later in the game. Maybin actually appears somewhat tentative and slow to me, but because the LT is usually backing up so fast to respect his speed, it gives the illusion Maybin can get up the field in a hurry. He takes a bunch of short steps coming off the line, not the power strides I'm hoping for from a DE.
Don't get me wrong, I think he has talent and will be a good player, I just think that right now he is feeling his way through things. He's obviously developing a spin move, but it seemed mostly ineffective last night.
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After watching wednesdays pressers from the Ralph i honestly feel like this team has that swagger we have been missing for the past few years. Whether T.O is rubbing off on the rest of the team or whether its just aquiet cockiness you can see its evident in both Edwards and Owens press conferences. It feels like they are not the least bit concerned with the recent changes that have been made on the team and if they are they have been coached very well as to how not to show how much they are worried about it. I dont care what anyone says i will be maiking the eight hour trip and I will be in the Gilette stadium parking lot preparing for monday nights game just like its any other game, but i gotta feeling this team is gonna show up and win.
Pinto Ron??? Going?
"i was like um"(Remix)
In his interactions with the press, TE was also not the least bit concerned about the poor offensive showing in the preseason and talked like he had total confidence in the offense. After Turk was fired we came to find out him and Lee were both asking Jauron WTF? about the offense. It's great if he's truly confident but at this point I have to suspect false bravado. I guess we'll see on Monday eve.
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The point is that there was a PLAN that was implemented during the offseason -- not some knee-jerk decision a week before the season starts as some are making it out to be.
How do you KNOW this decision was part of the long term plan and wasn't abruptly decided very recently?
We live in a nation of sheep.We do, and you seem to be part of the "let's just blindly trust management/the PLAN" herd. Bhaaaaaaaaa!
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Stupar was their best TE all preseason. Stupid.
Copeland Bryan? He was one of their best D linemen all preseason.
Do they not watch the games prior to making cuts?
Do they just stick with what their vets at EVERY position? What a buncha morons we have running this team.
We are DOOMED.
you, Jauron!When I saw Bryan at the Pittsburgh game he was around the play or making a play 1 out of every 4-5. The other plays he was just getting blown up because he couldn't keep his separation from the O-lineman. He'd be a big liability in a real game. He's a practice squad project if he's even still eligible. At least Kelsay and Denney don't get blown up quite as much as he does. We really do need to replace those 2 though. I expect Ellis to really expand his playing time with experience this year. Not sure if he'll be a dominant DE but easily better than the Kelsay/Denney monster.
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What I hope is that RW had a meeting with DJ before DJ called to let Wilson know he was firing Schonert. A conversation along the lines of "Dick, I've got a really bad feeling about our offense this season. This wasn't what I had in mind when I kept you on this year. You've got a week to let me know how you intend to fix the problem or I'll consider YOU to be the problem."
Look at the similar history of our offense through 2 coordinators under Jauron:
-conservative playcalling and gross ineptitude inside the red zone.
-lack of screens and play-action passes
-not allowing QB's to audible at the line of scrimmage
-dink-and-dunk passing game
-work on attacking offense during training camp/preseason never to be seen during the real games
I hope it's coincidence that there were 2 OC's who sucked in almost exactly the same way, but with a self-professed conservative head coach, I personnally believe Jauron has played a large role in all these similarites, particularly in the red zone.
My hope RW had this initial meeting was to let DJ know he needs to change his conservative philosophy. Jauron's explanation for his decision is hilariously 3rd person and reeks of Freudian undertones. All I hope is that Jauron stops obsessing about mistakes and lets his team play ball.
Kind of funny to see all the BS from the coaches and players such as Edwards "We'll be fine offensively, totally confident, etc. " is just so much fluff. Obviously Lee Evans couldn't stomach the company line. We all knew these guys were blowing smoke up our keysters but it's nice to see it farted back in the coaches' faces.
C'mon AVP and let's go Bills.
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Exactly what I said not long ago. The Bills style and DJ's gameplans and strategies look like they are word for word out of a textbook. They're bland and are lacking originality. The coaching staff doesn't seem to have their own take on how the team should be run.
Yea, and even though TE seems to compliment the coaching there's got to be players on that team disgusted with the coaching but unwilling to speak out. These are pro atheletes but how do you play hard when always forced to play it safe and react to what the other team does?
In one of these articles over the last couple weeks it was mentioned that the Bills didn't run screens last year because their linemen weren't quick enough to get out in space and make the play work. Any real coach knows screens can be a critical play in slowing down a defensive push. If I had an o-line that couldn't move their fat a$$es enough to set up a screen, I would let them know in no uncertain terms that we need to be able to execute, then I would make them run the same screen play over and over and over and over again in practice until they could do it quick enough.
DJ and Turk just cross it off the list and move on.
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When the Bills are using 20% of their playbook in preseason it makes you wonder why even play preseason.
Well, I would hope they could at least execute that 20%. They don't appear able, and regardless of the score that's really concerning to me. For a team as unestablished as this one, that's why they play the preseason, IMO. Also, to evaluate your rookie talent.
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Agree with your assessments completely, WVU. My brother and I were at the game in the nosebleeds (which is really way the hell up in that stadium). Some things to add:
-O-line still hasn't gelled, it seemed to me that Pittsburgh played base defense most of the time but when they brought LB blitzes Buffalo didn't handle it well. Just worry about this unit when the stunts and blitzes of regular season set in.
-Maybin did ok but wasn't that impressive to me in this outing. Didn't expect much from him though and it seemed to me Pittsburgh game-planned for him and his speed with double team and LT/LG quickly dropping back in pass protection. Give Maybin credit for maintaining separation and having field awareness
-Buffalo was clearly auditioning Copeland Bryan and Ellis with the 1st team D. To me, Ellis won this competition. He always seemed to maintain good separation from the blocking and was very aware and moving well to the play on the field. Bryan was active and had a couple decent plays but he also wasn't establishing good separation much of the time and getting blown up. As much as I'd like to see Denny/Kelsay gone I think Bryan'll be the odd man out in the DE contest but hopefully he can be put on the practice squad because he clearly has potential.
-Nic Harris spent no time with the first team D. Can only assume he doesn't know the defensive playbook well enough, though Ellison did make a couple good plays last night.
-1st team offensive line had no substitutions the entire time they were out. Those hoping for Bell to step in at LT will have to wait until the regular season. For the record, I think if Bell gets his shot move Walker back to RT, either Butler or Levitre coming off the bench (I favor Butler in reserve). Wood played some second team at guard, spent no time at backup center and realistically it's not an option in my mind that they try him at center this year.
-Trent Edwards is just a mess. It seemed to me he's checking down off his downfield reads too quickly and content to dump. Pittsburgh played some good coverage but Evans would break away from single coverage after TE had looked elsewhere. Also, in the second quarter, TE got pushed out of the pocket and scrambled right. Josh Reed was running a flat route on the sideline which he quickly turned upfield when Trent was flushed. The DB froze for a second and Reed was open for a full second before the safety came over to help. All this was right in front of TE and he never took advantage of it as he was focussed short. TE does not appear comfortable nor on the same page with his downfield recievers.
-Poz looked good, Donte is an ok safety but not the impact safety we were hoping for.
-Looking at Dominic Rhode's kickoff return in the second half, it seems like he does have some gas left in the tank so that's good news. Bobby April's return teams look really sloppy though.
-On Pittsburgh's offensive touchdown, Buffalo's LDE (Denney I think) was lined up so far off the end of the line of scrimmage that the touchdown run was only a formality. How the hell do you line up so far down the line in a goal-line D?
-Overall, this whole thing was just ugly, not much of any D-line push/pass rush and the offense was just putzing around out there. Left just before the end of the 3rd quarter because sadly getting back to Cleveland a little earlier was much more appealing than stomaching watching the backups screw around.
-The sad thing about watching the Bills is that they just seem to react to the other team and have no identity to assert on the other team.
For those who like to fly the "it's just preseason/doesn't matter banner" I understand that but can only say this: The score is meaningless but our first team O can't even execute basic plays in these games. D is not much better. How they pull this together in time for the patriots I have no idea and will pray that somehow it happens. At this point I do not expect them to beat the Pats and am just hoping it isn't a complete debacle.
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Interesting article. I'll be at the game tomorrow so I'm really curious to see if Maybin gets in and where they put him. Given his youth, relatively light weight, had to add 20 lbs just to get to 250, and the fact that he's missed so much practice, I kind of think they should use him as an OLB for the next year or 2 until he fills out then maybe move him back to DE.
Get Copeland or Ellis some 1st team DE work and see if they can handle it. To me, Maybin's going to have to rely on superior quickness, technique and be super-aware of what's going on around him to be successful at DE with his current size (just like Bruce Smith). After only 1 week of practice as a rookie, I worry he'll get smashed up/injured if inserted at DE tomorrow. Throw him in at OLB in passing situations and see what kind of pass rush he can generate.
If Copeland/Ellis can perform capably with the 1st teamers, maybe coaches can groom Maybin for OLB this year. It'd be nice to push Ellison to the bench.
Just my opinion, but given the current situation, I think Maybin would make the quickest (and possibly best) contribution being an OLB this year.
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A loser's mentality reeks from those comments. Where is the competitive fire? The starters got man-handled and embarrassed. Get mad at something. If my coaches just sent me out to a slaughter, I think I'd be a little more upset.
Agreed, but this limp-ass, inept coaching has got to be a real morale buster. It's one thing if players aren't playing well and need to step up. But when your coaching staff and gameplan are completely inept and flawed do you go after your coach? Unfortunately TO probably won't say much because he is hoping to be a model citizen and get a job with a real team next year. My only hope is that coaching is so putrid TO just can't keep his mouth shut anymore.
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http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3...18-4eedbc0f5762
Some select quotes:
“I didn’t like the way I reacted,” said Edwards of the play. “I felt like “The whole night they were disguising a lot of their coverages,” said Edwards. “It was kind of in that gray area of either tucking and running with it or trying to throw the ball away."
“They were bringing a lot of pressure and for a preseason game we weren’t expecting too much of that,” said Edwards. “We’ve got to be able to handle that because that’s going to happen during the season. We’ve got to be able to make in game adjustments and that’s something that we’ll learn from.”
-WTF? TE's got a couple seasons under his belt. This coaching staff's been around a few years now. How is TE so woefully prepared and unable make adjustments to all this? This just reminds me of the Cleveland game last year where TE said afterwards he wasn't prepared because Cle's Defense changed their defense compared to what he saw on film.
One last quote from the article:
"Their problems seemed rooted in the fact that they chose not to specifically game plan for Green Bay, while the Packers apparently did based on their varied defensive play calls."
-Ok, this team generally does poorly against a 3-4. You're going up against a 3-4 in preseason and you choose not to game plan some specifics for it? WTF????????
I've always figured in training camp that DJ spends less time hitting and more time preparing the team for different schemes/defenses/etc. Obviously not. The most disturbing thing about all this is that the jobs of these coaches are on the line this year. You think they'd at least change some things up, push the envelope more in the preseason, take some initiative. DJ and co. seem to just futz around like they have every year previous.
This one's on lousy coaching. I get to see them play next week in Pittsburgh and can only pray our coaches take the opportunity to actually prepare this team to play the Steelers. Even though it's preseason, we suck and they don't so it's an opportunity for our coaches to push the envelope. We can only hope.
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Something I have been thinking about for a while is if you analyze the Bills this year, they have some weaknesses, but no glaring holes. Most teams have massive problems at least on one side of the ball. If you think of our weaknesses, how bad are they really?
- Keith Ellison - not the greatest LB, but he is a 3-yr starter. He is clearly the weakest position, but he has plenty of experience. Throw in the fact that Nic Harris is looking pretty good and Ellison will come out in Nickel situations means our exposure is minimal.
- Offensive Line - Through 2 games, looked pretty good. I am more concerned with the Pass blocking than the run blocking as Edwards can't be left for dead, or we're screwed. This is still a big question mark, but given the nature of the offense and Turk putting TE into more 3 step drops, we should be okay at worst here.
- Lack of Pass Rush - Schobel is back and Maybin is finally in camp. This should not be a problem this year.
- Kyle Williams - People all wanted to bring in Henderson, but is KW really that bad? IMO he is fairly productive. Will he ever be an All-Pro, probably not, but would he start on at least half the teams in this league - probably.
- Red Zone Offense - Add 6'2" Terrell Owens and 6'5" Shawn Nelson, problem should be solved.
- Tight Ends - Robert Royal is no longer on the team, will be an improvement no matter who is slotted in. This position could have some surprising results given the rest of the weapons on offense.
- Coaching - DJ has historically been a bad game day coach, but I think he may have learned from his mistakes. Throw in the fact that they are opening up the offense to utilize our weapons, we again may be pleasantly surprised this year.
Bottom line - we do have weaknesses as does every team. But quite honestly, I don't think we have the glaring holes that other teams have (even the Cheats* have an extremely weak secondary) and as bad as our weaknesses are, they aren't really that bad. Keep this team healthy and I expect some serious fireworks this year...
In my opinion offensive line is moderate weakness. Red Zone offense and coaching are a major weakness until they prove otherwise in the regular season. Pre-season games feature mostly vanilla defenses and play calling. At least the line has done ok in this setting. Red zone offense still seems pretty bad. Seems like our 1st teamers still can't punch it in from inside the 20 and the play calling down there still seems somewhat inept. I still think DJ has a role in the play call selection once they get inside the 20. Two different offensive coordinators, same exact type of playcalls down there. Oh well, JMO.
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Updated list:
50 Camp Fodder
100 Practice Squad
200 Rookie
300 Restricted Free Agent
500 Veteran
1000 All Pro
1500 Franchise Tagged
2000 Holding Out For A New Contract
3000 Hall of Famer
4000 Declining Hall of Famer
5000 Brett Favre
I vote for these. I was thinking of one more on the end:
10000 NFL Network
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Gary:
it goes back to the press release in which Mr. Wilson elected to retain Jauron back in early January, where he stated he shared the fans' concerns about the team's performance, or something to that effect, but rehired Jauron to maintain continuity. i'm too tired to search for a thread.
as for Walt, he owes me money, so sure we're related. ... kidding. we could be, but don't know. ... i found a wawrow clan in boston that seems to have some connections, but my dad was an only child.
jw
John,
I did see that PR from Jan, but I always wondered what Mr. Wilson specifically said to DJ when they met in Detroit and wondered if you had been able to extract any specifics in your interactions with the team. It would be nice if RW said something to the effect of: "Dick, once in a while you need to grow a pair and take some chances."
And Walt's from Buffalo originally, hence my question.
BTW, thanks for responding on this board. I also enjoy your articles. Even in the cut-and-dried articles you always seem to include enough extra facts or ask the types of questions that paint the reality around the situation/topic without being overly biased. Tim does an excellent job too. We're definitely lucky to have you two contributing to this board.
Gary
Brady Quinn
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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These same prognosticators were trashing Derrick Anderson after his 2007 pro bowl season. I always thought he got a raw deal on that, I'm not saying he's a consistant pro bowl QB and he will throw some head-scratcher interceptions but so does Brett Favre. Bottom line is Derrick Anderson can play, and it's good to see him back starting. I think he's leaving Cleveland (he was quoted in the PD saying he's just playing out his contract right now) when his contract expires in 2 yrs.
Brady is very much an unknown so I think it's too early to trash him. He's not a gunslinger like DA but has shown me some glimpses of promise when he's been in there. Problem is the Browns are pretty much like us. No coaching or front office consistancy and I think their OC sucks this year also.
Edit:
edited out link to Plain Dealer and am revising this post because of article by news herald: http://news-herald.com/articles/2009/10/14...1f806505732.txt. Not sure if anything the PD's been discussing is true.
I also saw somewhere that Trent's contract is up after this season. Even if he did turn things around, what are the chances he would actually want to stay here anyways? I think we'll be needing a quarterback, one way or another.