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Thanks Judge Murra. I saw the game and JP did give momentum on a scoring drive, no doubt, but I was pointing out he wasn't a rookie, and he didn't have a great game. I never knew passing for 136 yards in an NFL game was a great accomplishment when your running game stank that day. Yawn. So I'm not a fan because I won't give Losman credit, but when Holcomb throws for a high percentage ratio and does what's asked of him and you throw him under the bus without anyone mentioning his name and I'm not the fan? Hmmm... I'll take note of that genius. If that was his career's biggest victory when the D had 3 INTs and he scores 14 pts with 137 yards then you've made my case. I would hate to see his bad games... oh wait I did... two games in a row with 75 yards passing. Let me put it to you another way, since understanding the game at all levels might be difficult, but when your offense scores 14 points you lose most of the time. When you're QB only throws at 56% you lose, and when your QB throws for 160 yards (including Holcomb's yards) you lose. We won because of the defense. I know it doesn't sound sexy, but it's true. For reference watch the Titans this year.

I wasn't saying Trent was so great his rookie now was I? I was pointing out Losman wasn't so great in the example cited. You would have made a point if I was saying Trent was great in the Dallas game, but I wasn't. Trent was definitely part of the reason we lost that game. The point is I'm a fan of a team and can stay objective. It's a neat hobby, you should try it.

I've said before if Marshawn cannot do it then give more hand-offs to Jackson. It's either talent or it's the RB. Let's find out because I have lost faith in Marshawn being able to make positive yardage CONSISTENTLY. After watching both of them play I can't see how Jackson is not played more. If they aren't willing to make coaching or personnel changes on the line, may as well change the RB who has averaged more ypc and more rpc for the last 2 years. I'm glad Peters won't see that contract he wants so bad. I know we need run-blockers, but the personnel on the line is not going to change because we don't have the depth to do it.

It was Losman's 2nd year, not his rookie year. Your rookie year is not the year you start, but the year you get drafted. 2nd, Trent Green threw 3 picks that game, Holcomb threw 4 for 6 for 25 yards and Losman came in and went 9 for 16 for 137 yards. Yes, I know he threw 2 TDs, but those numbers suck. Imagine Trent with 137 yards or the combined total of 185 yards while the D got 3 INTs? This board would be asking what is problem is and why we didn't score more than 14 points. Last time I checked I would take Evans, Moulds, and Campell for Evans, Parrish, and Royal. Losman sucks, always has, and I don't know if always will, but the odds are against him ever starting with his mental process of the game. There is only one game where I watched him be dominant as a QB and really "win" a game, and that was the Cinci game last year. He looked like an NFL QB for one game. He's not consistent enough to consider him a starter. Trent is heads and shoulders above JP, and it's not even close.

JP is not a very good QB. Anyone who has watched him the last 4 years knows that. He is nothing more than a decent back-up and does not have the goods to make a good starter. How many games under 200 yards are acceptable to most teams? Not many unless you are Kerry Collins on the Titans with a strong running game and stellar D.

McCargo hands down, then Kelsay, and finally Dockery. I would rather see what Spencer Johnson has at DE than do-nothing Kelsay.

He said my point was moot based on who was in there, but only 1 QB. Having someone on the field and used as a WR, fullback, etc. is not the same thing as comparing one stat or another. His point was moot. You jumped on the bandwagon because you probably think Bust-Mode is awesome. Sorry, he's not.

No, what I said was that 85% of all plays with positive yardage are passes that have any meaning. Roughly 15% of our offense that is meaningful is rushing, and if you deduct the dead yards of rushing the ball at the end of the game to run out the clock 80-85% of our yards that mean something in terms of yardage are coming from passing. Do the math. In a good offense it's usually around 55-65% of positive yardage is passing. Right now 73% of our overall offense is passing yards, and about 7-12% of those numbers to make the 80-85% come from end of the game runs to kill the clock in the 4th quarter. To the other poster who said Jackson is in there as much as Lynch lets compare carries shall we? 146 to 60 is not the same amount of carries. You are an idiot. Lastly, the argument used about Barry Sanders was not us comparing Lynch to Sanders, but some other poster who said that even Sanders couldn't get good yardage out of this line. Barry Sanders was a one man wrecking crew who loved it when guys shot through, used them as a pick or screen in basketball to shield other defenders and ran around them. My point is at this point there is more blame to Lynch than Edwards if you want to point to offensive ineptitude. I want to see if Jackson can do better. Why not? At this point leaving Lynch isn't doing anything particularly great or special to change the outcome. I want to see Jackson get 18 carries and have Lynch give him breathers and not vice versa.

Let me look at the numbers for you a little differently since you are obviously inept at understanding how important a running game is: Trent has to throw 85% of all downs to make an impact in yardage + Lynch is not making plays to change that ratio and allows more guys to fall back into coverage = More turnovers If Lynch could get some positive yardage Trent wouldn't have so much pressure. No rushing game = more turnovers, less balance, easier D game-planning. Tell me how Brees did this past weekend with 400 yards and INTs with no rushing game, and tell me the Saints record and what is common about their offense. Get back to me. Facts are you could have a QB putting up #s past Marino's best year and have a losing record. Saints are a perfect example. No running game = almost impossible to win consistently

Then you never watch Sanders play, and this is coming from a guy who says I don't know what I'm talking about? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The man lived off chaos, 8 men in the box, penetration behind the line of scrimmage, and flat out dominated year after year with no passing game. How is Atlanta's offensive line? Oh, that's right, they suck and Turner is doing just fine. Should we do that for a few teams? I would like to if you want, and I remember the Raiders O-line isn't so great and last time I knew Bush and McFadden (pre-injury) ran just fine. And SF has the meanest O-line right? Gore is just a product of their mean line. How about Larry Johnson before he got hurt? Those Chiefs have an AWESOME line. What a joke you are... Great players make themselves better than the players around them. A first round RB should be able to do pretty damn good in this league if they want to be considered the time and money, especially in the top 15 picks. And yes, you can blame on the RB for offensive woes, but certainly not for the team. A good RB makes the D more honest, and a bad RB puts more pressure on the line and on the QB. Yes, Lynch gets more blame for our woes than Trent. I know the fanboys of Bust-Mode think it's heresy, but it's a fact.

Yup, teams have figured us out when you can't run. Let's call a spade a spade and let's put the blame on the 1st rounder who can't break out of one game this year. You know and I know who he is. A first rounder should produce something with that talent, yet all the talk is on Trent. Trent has had 3 bad games, and out of those 3 only one was terrible or Losmanesque. I don't seem to remember him having those under 100 yard games Losman would have, but I do know Lynch has failed to do anything to show real talent. So let's throw some blame where it should be. We all know Edwards is not Warner who can win without a running game, and we know Brees isn't doing so well without one despite his prolific numbers. Why not look at this objectively and realize without a running game no QB, unless they are amazing and seasoned. If you want to find faults, look at "Beast-Mode". The guy lacks vision and runs like a burner without the jet packs. There's your issue, and it has less to do with Trent and more to do with Marshawn.

Last game was 70% Trent, 20% O-line, 10% play-calling but I think looking at the last few games made that stat worse than it is. The other games it's 50% no run-game, 30% O-line pass protect, 10% Trent, and 10% play calling. Unless you are unfreaking real as a QB you aren't going to win without a run game. Yes Trent has done so, but to continually expect that type of pressure on the QB is unreasonable. Would better play calling make the O-line better and the run game? Maybe. I do know I was able to predict what they were doing roughly half the time and that's pretty lame, but when the run game is not producing of course it's easy to predict what they are doing. If they want to improve the offense with no run game here's the solution: -Throw more screens to Roscoe or Johnson -Make Evans run a slant and prepare for contact -Pitch to the outside runs off tackle -Throw a deep ball every 15-20 attempts and roll the dice Sadly, that's all they can do. If the D can step up we might score 20 pts and win close games. We need more players over 6 ft that are fast and quick as well. (I can dream can't I?)

JP played solid in the Cards games with his typical mental lapses of not throwing the ball away. Trent is highly probable a top 10 QB with a great mental game without a stomach to trust the WRs to make plays on tight throws. Trent can throw to players in full stride routinely, JP cannot unless it's just an out. JP doesn't have much upside and watching him countless times it is obvious to teams and coaches. Trent is someone the coaches have to game-plan for. Frankly, the entire conversation is worthless without a running game. Trent is a Matt Hasselback type of player who can't win by himself and is a game manager and needs a running game to win. I would never mistake Trent for Warner, Brees or Manning. He has a different mindset.

Wrong reply. The QB was being honest and when times were good you defer to your team as well. A leader in the NFL is a paradox as he gets none of the credit to himself when they do well and all of it when they do bad. I think pointing out that fact doesn't make him less leader, it makes him honest. What makes a leader is not what he does with the media but on the field unless they are throwing teammates under the bus. He plays for and with his fellow teammates, not for the media and fan perception if he wants to win. As long as he does not compromise that he is just fine being honest.

It wasn't slow reflexes, it was fumbles. I actually follow his career and starts. He's my favorite player in the NFL, and as a man and father he's something to be admired. A friend of mine is a QB for some low-down arena league and wrote to Warner and got a hand-written letter in return and signed autograph. The guy is amazing. Anyways, he didn't show slow reflexes for the Giants, and maybe his last year with the Rams. He didn't show slow reflexes for the Cardinals at any time and Whisenhunt would bring him in for his no-huddle packages which he ran to perfection. I haven't seen him slow because of hits since the Rams, but he also had a fumbling problem because of his thumb, and his gloves have solved it.

How many passes has he ever hit on the full run on a slant or on a crossing pattern? It was almost impossible for him. JP was great when receivers ran a pattern and stopped or it was a deep out. That's how he played and passed. JP doesn't have the mental skills to play in this league. No stat can tell me what I've seen was a random anomaly. There is a reason no team was interested in JP at the trade deadline, and it's not because of his physical abilities. The guy just takes dumb sacks and doesn't get rid of the ball. He has one of the best deep balls I've seen, but the guy can't throw a crossing pattern and hit the guy in stride to save his life. That's not a pathetic argument, it's reality. There is a reason why he had so many games under 200 yards passing, and he's easy to game plan for. If you are sick of conversing show me where I'm wrong. Instead you want to play the "you're too moronic to understand" card, which shows in your deep analysis of where others are missing the point.

He said light it up, not catch some passes for decent yards for a #2.

It wasn't the concussions it was his thumb. It was so destroyed, and still is, that's almost amazing he still plays.

I'm sorry, JP was horrible last year as well. He wasn't developing and he doesn't have the head to play in the league. Great guy though. I wish he was a better player, but he's not. If JP was the starter we would not be 5-4, maybe 3-6. JP was hurting us and had better run support. With less run support he would be that much worse.

After watching him tonight it reminded me of how good he really is. The guy is just damn good.

I was looking up net yards on pro-football. I'm not making it up. If you can point me to a game log of that year I'll take it.

Would you at least be consistent enough to place more fault with Lynch or is the only player making at least something happen the one to be at fault. Do you honestly think, after watching JP play, that he would be better? I remember clearly when he would have 150 yards and that was tolerable to us. 150 with Trent makes us cringe. That tells us he's just a little better. JP just wasn't good. Let's compare Year 2 when JP averaged 148 yards per game (never came out because of injury so those are full games) and look at the average of Trent when he plays the whole game this year, which is over 200 yards. JP was 1-7 Trent is 5-4. Hold on it gets better, in JP's first 7 games he never broke 200 yards with Moulds and Evans. Do you want to compare Moulds and Evans to Parrish and Evans? It gets even crazier, JP only had 36 yards passing with the Falcons and 67 yards against the Saints. That's just 2005. Do you want to go over 2007? JP had 72 yards against the Broncos, 121 yards game 2, and 83 yards in game 3. Maybe you forgot how bad he was? You are a moron if you forgot how bad Losman was. Theteam averaged over 100 yards rushing those games and he still blew goats. I've watched every game Trent and JP played. They are not close. I'll take Trent's bad games to JP's decent games.

It would be nice to see Jackson get 9 carries in a half like Lynch. I can assure you that he wouldn't be 26 yards. The guy goes forward and is a threat out of the backfield in screens.

Here are the problems with Marshawn: -He bounced it outside without the requisite speed when a play begins to break-down. He plays like he's still in college and it doesn't work. -He side-steps in these large steps that aren't quick enough to be fooled by anyone behind the line of scrimmage -He doesn't run to a hole and tries to hit the home-run instead of the small gains -Lacks vision when holes open Yes, the line hasn't blocked well for him, but any RB in the NFL would run well with a great O-line. All of the good RBs do it, and the great ones make their yards. He'll turn out to be average. The reason why so many people are pulling for him is he is a 1st rounder and that means there is a lot of excitement about him, and people have bought his jersey. I think he's got a great spirit, but very rarely is a RB worth a 1st rounder unless they have extreme talent to be a game-breaker.

That's actually humorous. With the exception of today, they are not even close. Maybe you forgot when JP got to 100 yards we were happy. Trent only has 2 games under 200 yards.