High Mark

FWIW I dont/didnt want McCoy bc I dont think he is much of an NFL QB. Also, I still am angry about passing on Clausen even though he hasnt done well so far.

If you dont think Luck is hands down the best College QB out there then you must have the brain capacity of Tan McShay. Luck or bust in 2011-2013

I am extremely scared by the first line "ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) — Calling himself "a realist," Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson warned it might take as many as three years to rebuild his team, and added drafting a quarterback next year is the club's top priority." - Now I know that when Luck and and Mallet dont declare, and the Bills draft Locker, who was behind it. Dont think for one minute Ralpf didnt have a say in the Spiller selection. "we need to get more exciting" said Ralph....

Indy could use him, and they almost traded a 4th for McCargo a few years ago. Ill try Stroud and McCargo to Indy for a 4th this year!

And Troupe looks like a blocking sled. A light blocking sled.

He looked Great as a rook. Ill give him a pass this season because of his leg.

we ran the 4-3 all day today. Maybe you should watch.

I just called that Capt Jacks in Sodus and he wasnt sure but he thought it would be blacked out.

He never throws the ball. He had 200 yards 4 TDs RUSHING. He is not much of an NFL QB prospect, but he is more than athletic enough to be given at tryout at WR.

Very logical post. But I want to address the last line. Yes, you could argue that Spiller was worth the pick, when that is all you considier. "Is Spiller worth a top 10 pick" Most people would agree (I for one dont but that is another topic). When you see that you have 2 great RBs, and acknoledge how meaningless teh RB position is relative to other positions, it doesnt make sense to add another in the top ten. My beef with the selection is that look at where we were and were we are now in terms of rebuilding. Me, I am looking at not 1 draft pick, but the entire roster with the overall goal of building a championship team. IMO this pick cannot be viewed as one random transaction with no ramifications elsewhere. This one a move that is inherently tied to other moves. The day before the draft the Bills had Lynch, J.Bell/C.Simpson, and a top 10 pick. After the Spiller Pick and Lynch trade the Bills have Spiller, and a 4th round pick. How is that rebuilding? Thats a huge huge huge huge huge huge huge step backwards. After 1 draft and offseason the Bills are now a worse team than before we started "rebuilding" Thats my problem with the Spiller pick, not Spiller himself, but the fact that his selection and the events that were bound to transpire have made the Bills a worse team and even farther from a playoff berth.

Dont get me wrong guys if he declares he is #s 1-100 on my big board. Im refering to the run game which keeps them in games and play action which routinely gets him wide open recievers downfield. He is always making plays which are purely him, its a system that makes it easy to succeed is what I am mean.

I like Claboirne from Iowa better. better rusher IMO. I could see either of them as out pick if the QB isnt there, and I would be ok with that.

My only feear with Luck is how good of a coach he has behind him. harbaugh is on a whole nother level when it comes to his play design and getting his players to execute. His coaching def makes Luck look better than he is. That being said I still love Luck as our QB. The question for me is, How much of what he is is bc of Luck and not Harbaugh. Its a question we wont know until he is drafted. PS that walter football guy cant knwo much about anything if he has Locker ranked as his 2nd QB. What a joke.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8171c657/article/bryant-beats-out-bradford-as-drafts-top-offensive-prospect here is the link I found. Mayocks big Board. Spiller at #6, Dez bryant at #3. Therefore, Mayock has Bryant as BPA - so how could Spiller be the lock concensous BPA? McShay I dont remember and really dont care. He is so wrong his opinion couldnt be worth crap. Kiper aint much better. -I fell like these guys all moved him into the top 10 to accomadate the reports that the Bills were going to draft him - hence making themselfs look good by ranking him in the top 10 when they heard we were gonna take him.

-Oher was what, 23 or 24? Whats your point? Oher is/was worth 11, Bulaga is/was worth 9. Just because he fell is not evidence he is not good. -Why do I have to assume that? I thought we were taking BPA? (see your own Spiller arguement) And Carrington is NOT INJURED. He has been a healthy scretch the first 3 games, then he finally was on the active roster when Stroud and McCargo were injured. Thats right, MCCARGO is higher on the depthchart than Carrignton. O yea, and he has yet to play a single snap in teh NFL - Thats really "reloading on defense" I never said it was a massive gaff, I said I would have taken Jerry if I were Nix. - Choose to ignore me referencing facts. I dont really care. The fact is Spiller was no where near a lock as BPA when we drafted. I wont deny some people had him as that, but he was so far from a "lock" its silly. I think he is proving that by being 3rd string (well, now 2nd string by no positive play of his own) on the worst team in the NFL. Again, Spiller was not a concensous top ten pick on this board til about 3 weeks after we drafted him and fans were trying to cope. I am so tired of hearing he was "the lock most obvious player ever to draft because we took him and go Nix" A gimmick RB whose name you only knew because of his college return abilities is not a top ten player. Anyways, even if he was the concensous top player, he wasnt worth it. Look at what hes done so far. Look at how much he is helping the team. Its anothe rbad pick by a bad team with a bad FO.

Dude stop living in your own little dream world. I couldnt name 1 person who had Spiller at #1. Mayocks 1 and 2 were McCoy Suh. Nice way to fabricate BS. (He also had Bradford, Earl Thomas, and Bryant ahead of Spiller, and those are just a few skill players I can think of off the top of my head)

well said

Are you guys not watching the same games as me? They routinely use Kelsay at end in the 43. Spencer Johnson and Edwards too. just cause one of those guys is at end doesnt mean its a 30 front. They are in a 4 man front way more often than not. Every nickle situation and easily half of the base D situations. I belive they have gone away from the 34 more since the first 2 games because we lost a lot of our LBs to injury. Ill try to stat the game this week if I get a good interent feed, but we have not run the 34 enough to mark is a problem. We just havent run it as much as a lot of you are thinking.

1- Brian Bulaga, round 1, John Jerry, Round 3. Neither being a hindsight pick ---- "they take the absolute, no doubt highest player available on the board" ------- Whose board are you refering to? The Bills Board? Clearly you must be, No one else had Spiller that high, and he is proving the Bills wrong every week. Mayock didnt have SPiller as the best avaialable. neither did McShay or Kiper - so it wasnt someone in the media. Whose board are you refering to? Because I dont belive Spiller was the best player available at all and I said that on draft day. In fact, I had Best and Mathews as better backs. Best went with the 30th pick and has produced better than Spiller to date....

Hey Buddy... do you not realise you are one of the reasons they are struggling? You could have solved our OL issues by trading a 2011 3rd rounder for the LT Brown, drafted Bulaga to play the other T and Jerry to start at G. You could of Tendered Incognito and moved Wood to C. WOW!!! an OL!!! We could have a promising young QB in Clausen (whether you liked him or not he does have a chance to be good. and its the 2nd round) You could have moved on from trent last year. you could of cut Kelsay and brought in someone else who doesnt suck. Then you could of not resigned him to suck even more. - Worst of all these are moves a lot of people wanted and are "obvious" Why not make them? They make so much sense.

That doesnt sound a thing like brett farve to me. That guy clearly didnt have Bretts southern drawl. Very weak attempt IMO.

You had me when they Resigned Kelsay 0-16!!!! Time to reward this FO for what they have done!!!

I also was thinking back the other day, to all the players I really wanted during the draft: 2006 I was all Ngata. When we traded back up for McCargo, I couldnt believe we passed on Mnagold. We should have resigned Big Pat and Fletcher too. 2007 they overplayed teh RB need. I wanted us to take the then injured Michael Bush. I was hoping the Bills would leapfrog the 9ers for Willis because I knew they are gonna take him cause of singletary. After we missed on that I said we should take Beason. 2008 We should have resigned Greer and not taken an CB. But it was painfully obvious to ma that DRC was the ebst CB available. Then I wanted Limas Sweed 2009 I hate Maybin, and am a huge longhorn Fan. Im still angreed we dont have E. Brown too. And We never should have accepted Phillys second 1st round pick. If he had their 21 we could of had Oher. 2010 Anyone other than Spiller would have been nice. Bulaga/Graham/Iupati/even Tebow would have been better. Clausen in the 1nd round? Talk about a no brainer. 3rd round should have been jerry, who Miami took and is now their starting G. Shoulda tendered Incognito too. - Its funny, none of these are in hindsight, thats who I wanted at the time. I believe most of these were agreed on by a majority of the fans too (maybe no 2010, but 2006 and 2008, definately 2009)

I just cannot believe how much Nix contradiceted himself - its clear he has no idea whats going on. "We arent going to keep losing with the same guys - we are going to get rid of those guys" - Yet you resigned Chris Kelsay who has been one of the main reasons the Bills havent made the playoffs this milenium "We arent going to give up draft picks - they are too valuable to our future" - Yea, I have been so impressed with Troupe/Carrington/etc. I cant wait to see what our future looks like As each day passes I become more and more convinced my intial reaction to Nix/Chan was dead on... WTF???

No, I am. Im no idiot. I know they can stack the LBs. Or even play on over/under that would look like a 4-3. But they dont. They rarely run the 3-4. Sorry