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2 hours ago, Cygnus99 said:
I don't see the Bills making it to the playoffs next season. Could it be a rebuilding season ? I see 8 wins at most . Any thoughts ?
I know it feels that way right now and I hear you. Crap way to end a season we were all really emotionally invested in. Feels even worse than 13 seconds because when that ended , it seemed it was just Kc and us the next year battling for the Super Bowl. Now we have irrefutable proof cincy has leaped ahead of us , KC is still ahead of us , and teams with less experienced coaching staffs like Miami made huge , quick progress. It’s looking very evident Mcd and Beane have made some bad choices team building and honestly , this team doesn’t look on the same level as those who are actually getting repetitive chances at a superbowl.
If this doesn’t prove you can’t be so narrow focused with the d line being your main area of attention , never really getting quality o lineman and requiring an OC to actually develop a legitimate running attack alongside your passing game, I don’t know if it’s fair to expect different results from this staff. I have never seen a successful team refuse to run the ball like this team does , giving less than ten carries to any backs and putting them behind lines where they are hit in the backfield. In contrast , Cincys rbs got 3 yards in Sunday’s game BEFORE CONTACT , the most at any point in the year.
But it’s a long offseason. They might be smart and finally get some creative coordinators to support Sean and Allen, and who knows , they might get some proven wr talent to augment Diggs. It could happen! If they actually build around their superstar , they might keep moving forward. So, I’m wiling to see what they do. I will say tho, personally, if they don’t make some commitment to change, I can’t trust them to invest myself the same emotionally or financially. it’s the old saying , doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of a blindly loyal Bills fan , and been there , done that ! But it’s way to early to predict which way things will go.
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7 hours ago, QB Bills said:
He's on a twitter roll right now calling out Diggs and Allen and even took a shot at the Damar Hamlin situation. I legit hate this guy and that team more than any other team right now. With this clown and Burrow's arrogance, I say the hell with all the goodwill from the past. I hope (gulp) KC crushes them. Don't see that happening though, unfortunately.
As a fellow Bills fan , here’s a free idea , life advice type thing. Put the phone down , close your twitter app. Do you have some close family , life changing ties with apple? Is he a primary member of your family that has influenced your life and health ? If a tree falls in the woods with no one around, does it still impact your life ? Lol! What the f effect does apple have in your life other than a game he played in for one hour ?
You have control over your life so enjoy it. Does an app and some idiot you have no formal relationship with have a tangible , positive effect or enhance your future in any way? I’m betting the answer is no. If you spend that time reading about your chosen career , spend time exercising for your health , engage in talking to a real , present person or family member who has influenced your well being, would you even have seen any nonsense from a guy who clearly cares only about himself as you are nonexistent to him ?!
You really want to waste emotion hating someone who wrote nonsense you didn’t even have to see on an app that exists virtually and will in no way benefit you as a person? Seems silly if that’s how you want to spend what little quality time we are given to enjoy life, health , and those who add joy to our life. If you want to make HIS life more meaningful , keep paying attention to his drivel. It’s your loss. I bet you know someone older , or struggling financially , or facing something like having a dying parent, who you might really help and would benefit from your attention and time. . But you want to be affected by Eli apple ? As they would say on ESPN, C’mon man ! Lol ! Best wishes. 😀👍.-
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6 hours ago, IBTG81 said:
No. That’s pretty much what it looked like at the snap.Exactly. Look we all know the saying “ a photos worth a thousand words “ ; well , I guess all of us except that person who is just throwing out bs to throw out bs. You don’t need more to explain that photo , it is what it is, and 99% of people who watched the game and saw that play know the picture stands by itself as an example the OP was trying to portray in his/ her post.
We all know and saw that the ball was immediately snapped as part of the Bills d was presenting a blitz while the dbs dropped BEYOND the sticks (unfortunately, we have seen this many times in the past with Frazier as the d coordinator ) , and Burrows immediately threw to the boundary receiver who wasn’t touched until he was already beyond the first down. It was an important third down conversion.It was commented on by analysts , content providers, and just plain old simple fans. Don’t believe me, well, heres anither example Just go do a little homework if you need convincing , check out THE AIR RAID HOUR on YouTube today , less than 1/2 hour in when the one content provider comments on this exact play and said “ that third and four , when they just blitzed everybody , left 8 yards of cushion , was insane . And don’t put that on the players, that’s on Leslie Frazier”! This is just one example of people understanding that exact play and picture as it stands alone, and there are many more examples of people commenting about it even in this thread, so asking for more video around it or it means nothing must be,,,,,sarcasm? .
That play along with the remainder of the defensive performance represent the issues that resulted in something NOT opinion based, but FACT based; the Bills were once again sent home at the divisional playoff level. All the dvoa / pff type stats can’t negate that FACT, and the eye test we all witnessed; the defense was mistake prone and played uninspired , poorly executed football that was not up to the standard it requires to advance further, and that seems like a coaching issue. That’s the problem with a fact. It’s truth and it’s not up to interpretation or opinion. You can ignore facts , but it’s funny , that doesn’t make them nonexistent. Ignoring facts is a difficult way to put forth a valid argument or discussion.. 😀
( poster , this is NOT in reference to you , just referencing that absurd idea presented by arguing that pic by itself, right before the snap meant NOTHING without more video support , when we all know exactly what it resulted in 😊)
If I’m allowed to add a little, given Sundays results, the Cincy staff is providing a model of how to draft, team build, coach to your strengths , be offensively and defensively creative , and how that gets an organization to 2 AFC Championship games. While the Bills were chasing kc , investing so much draft capitol on literally chasing Mahomes ( who is in kc only because Mcd gave the draft pick for mahomes to Kc in his first draft ), and have fallen behind a second team now in addition with the Bengals jumping them. It’s a step back and we are arguably in worse position than after 13 seconds.
You probably won’t be seeing the Bills as SB favorites early next year unless they dramatically change and support their franchise qb with more talent on the o line , a legit wr corp , and a legitimate running game similar to the teams still advancing in the playoffs. . So far we have little evidence given the past 5 years that such a philosophical change is going to happen. We see players drafted but used so sparingly it’s hard to see how they can develop , and we have seen players traded for but then used oddly or not creatively , players resigned and then used for less than a handful of plays in a game. It’s bizarre things, with no coherent or cohesive plan and it resulted in declining performance until the teams final exit. So it seems fair to say that one picture posted is an insight or emblematic of all the strange coaching decisions that were going on this season. Without some new input , I believe at the coordinator level , I am at a point where it’s difficult to feel optimistic the Bills will advance further and it’s possible they will be bypassed by even more franchises. As an analogy , if you’re not advancing your knowledge in your chosen field or career path , you are likely falling behind.
Somewhat paraphrasing the Op, using this picture is just ONE example of a Bills defense that was currently not adequate. Like John Fina stated on his podcast today , “ no one fears the Buffalo defense”! You shouldn’t require more video to understand that concept, and you don’t have to be in the locker room or have been a former NFL coach to grasp the fact that having coaching resulting in a 4-5 playoff record is not resulting in a Super Bowl.
Something needs to change and I would hope soon as time is passing regarding Allens prime years and the surrounding AFC competition. Burrows was not shy, and was laughing while interviewed saying they expected to dominate this defense and they did that , and that picture represents at least one obvious example how that came about and it easily stands alone. . (😊 please forgive my rambling, feeling a bit triggered after that very unsatisfactory way the season ended and defending one of the most egregious plays implying some how that picture is misrepresenting the play seems disingenuous.. Hoping for a productive offseason! )-
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6 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:
I've been a Bills fan since the OJ years, growing up in the Town of Tonawanda. The Bills have been and will always, be my team. I moved to Houston 22 years ago, but still passionately root for my team. I have suffered during the dark years, post the Music City BS. I hated the Rex Ryan hire, which wasted more precious years away. Josh was my pick for the draft that year; no one looked better to represent the Bills than Josh. He's proven to be exactly what we need. I've been so happy watching my team the past few years.
However, this game today just took all the wind out of my sails. I just don't know how much more miserable such an important, home playoff game could have been. This one hurts more than the Kansas City loss last year. It also tops the Texans defeat in overtime. The key difference being that in both those games, we were competitive and could easily have won. This game was over in the 1st quarter. It's like they didn't plan for the Bengals at all.
It will be a long time before I can even read anything about the Bills again. It just hurts.....
I feel with you and for you having followed them since ‘63. It’s a lot of time invested as a hobby , and having been 14-3 going in , playing at home which was a stated goal , and then coming out so completely flat , getting completely dominated is a lot of disappointment. Sadly , it’s easy to get to a point where you begin to almost expect this to happen. The Bengals freely talked prior to the game that they weren’t concerned and Burrows said they expected to dominate this team, and you never heard a peep to the contrary from this team. The 90’s teams weren’t ever so muted , intimidated or so clamped down and afraid to respond as they are under Sean and they played like they lacked confidence.
Having followed them for so long , been to SB’s in person following them , and getting older with some health issues , it seems like a long time to get back to another season and no one is promised a future to keep enjoying the team ( just look what almost happened to Damar). So it does feel more like an emotionally heavy disappointment this year.
It is just a hobby , but you do get involved with fellow fans etc and unless you are a sociopath , you do feel invested. 😊. It just feels like if you can’t advance playing at home after being 14-3 , you wonder under what circumstances they may actually make it over that final obstacle
This team didn’t seem to have a clear vision offensively; they aren’t developing talent well like other teams seem too ( use of Elam , shakir, the rbs , the d linemen like epenesa & boogies use or lack of snaps seem to have no rhythm or reason ). Younger coaching staffs are bypassing them as you watch teams like the Bengals , Eagles , 49 ers look much further along.The cracks and red flags showed up against the pats and Miami , yet even the team was in denial talking about “ just survive and advance”. Just surviving has never cut it in reality, and the warning signs were there. Sean is 4-5 now in the playoffs so that’s not getting it done. Hopefully , there is next year, it sure feels like a step back, but hey you are not alone! 😊Best wishes! -
2 hours ago, Governor said:
Especially after starting the same exact way on the Monday night game. We were overmatched and the team knew it weeks ago.
You know I think you have a point. It’s emotionally as if they knew they couldn’t match up after their experience in cincy , and just resigned to that fact. Milano said they had no juice on d. This was as emotionally flat as I’ve seen a Bills team. I don’t buy the emotionally drained excuse as Hamlin is and has been doing well and they played two games in the meantime. It would be sccephad his outcome not been so good. You know a situation you remain flat in , when you know you are physically outmatched and you are getting pushed around with an a$$ kicking.
Mcd gets no break here either.
Knowing how the Bengals marched on them in cincy , why stick with your obsessive tendency to always defer when you knew what type of offense you were facing. Why not at least try to jump out in the lead , take the kickoff and have confidence you will score and take the lead. Cincy was confident and they backed it up when they received and scored. In the end it prob made no difference but they are so predictable it’s almost ridiculous. They came out flat ( per Milano) and stayed that way. Kudos to Matt for being open. It’s surprising as most thought this would be a highly emotional game. One more playoff debacle emerges with a home divisional blow out. Injuries did play a huge role all year , but not so much today ironically.
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3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
Yes. He absolutely should.
Mcd is a good coach. But I don’t think he’s the guy to win a SBMcd is stability for the franchise. He needs o line and reciever takent , but if he doesn’t get fresh coordinators , things will keep failing in the postseason. We are well behind younger staffs now in cincy , maybe Miami , and Reid is way beyond offensively. Then look at San Fran and the Eagles and we were not a SB contender. You need a guy ,Ike Mcd to create culture / stability , but creativity is lacking with the coordinators and it shows with embarrassing losses in the playoffs. You see a franchise like San Fran who gets it , 3/4 years in the championship game with Purdy at qb , and we can’t even sniff a chance to get there. Wasted a 14-4 season and next years schedule looks brutal on the road. Beane needs to get Mcd help. Frazier had his chances. Dorsey had one or two innovative or trick plays in a year : Reid does them weekly. Says a lot.
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11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
He actually didn’t look like he took it as hard as the past couple seasons playoff losses.
maybe he’s getting accustomed to it?
Yes , spouting the same cliches is hardly taking it to heart. After that mess against a much inferior team in Miami , a big red flag to me was the rationalization that “ it’s just surviving and moving forward”. Well , we see what just surviving results in against a quality opponent. Josh was not accountable to dorsey whom I think he sees as a peer , not a coach. Daboll would get in his face , dorsey is not capable of that from an experience or age perspective. Josh lead the league , or close to it in ints , red zone turnovers , and had many fumbles. It continued despite his post game promising to learn and “ I can’t do that” , but yet Dorsey and he had no answers in the playoffs. I would at least be looking around to see if I could improve over dorsey.
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1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
There’s a former Bills backup QB out there with HC experience. Bring him home and let him take the offense to the next level
Franks time is done in Buffalo. He lost the colts team. He was not producing.and is not an answer. Not even close. Look to productive , winning organizations for talent.
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Just now, UKBillFan said:
A bugbear is that the call to play less hero ball and take what the defense offers has been made pretty regularly, particularly since the bye, and nothing changed.True. No creativity in this offense and seemingly little accountability. Dorsey is a good guy but I am at least interviewing for fresh ideas. Kc/ cincy are leaps ahead offensively and afc east teams are ascending. I just think dorsey is so worried about being balanced in play calling but there was no creativity to actually pressure defenses. I did not see Allen changing or being held accountable by Dorsey , who seems more like a peer than coach. We heard the same things for the past month. Bringing in Hines , Beasley, Smoke etc was useless as they were rarely used. We have one useful tight end and I’m not sure why we carry a fullback who is never used. You won’t see creative things like KC’s snowglobe play called by Dorsey.
Defensively , Frazier has repeatedly folded in the postseason and you can have all the d stats you want in the regular season, his d fails when it counts. 30 first downs allowed , starting out 14-0 at home AFTER JUST SEEING THIS TEAM a few weeks ago is inexcuseable. Sean is a very good HC , BUT HE NEEDS fresh ideas and input as teams like Cincy , KC, Miami, and the Jets are building. If Mcd doesn’t keep growing , at some point the heat will fall on him.
They did have a terrible year injury wise to key players. Miller , hyde, poyer, both dts, and of course the CB carousel was horrific as Tre never was himself and Elams use was just puzzling! Milano was supposedly playing thru a fibula injury according to cover one. The d line was a massive disappointment sack wise and who knows if von even returns. I really expect poyers Bills days are done as it looks to me as if he needs surgery in his left arm ( long head biceps tear?) and was unable to tackle today essentially playing with one arm. Sadly tho , after all the resources spent we lack a premiere pass rusher for the future. Groot is a good power rusher worth 7-8 sacks a year , but the Eagles had 4 guys with 10 sacks each! We are stuck with mediocre talent of epenesa and boogie.
I would move on from Frazier but an issue will be then they will need more LBs as this 4-2-5 system has run its post season course imo. Beane is facing a rough , but crtical offseason as Allens years are ticking by without sniffing a Super Bowl. Both sides of the ball were exposed by the bengals who absolutely look at us as inferior. Truthfully , right now we are. I don’t want to hear our d was #2 statistically, because it has always failed in the playoffs. Last year it was 13 seconds and this year we barely got by Miami before being destroyed by cincy with a younger head coach. Time to bring in change to help the HC and optimize Allens talents. This season , despite 14-4 , is unfortunately a disappointment when you get blown out at home in the playoffs. Beane has to bring change , you can’t go in as the SB fav , to get bounced in the divisional round again. -
27 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I recognize Frazier garners respect as a top tier DC and even possible HC candidate. And in a lot ways it’s deserved. But, I’m over his defense.
I’ve been over it since last year, he then started to win me back holding together the D through so many injuries. But last week and this week showed his defense is a liability come playoff time, just like it’s always been in every playoff exit we have had.
More importantly, his entire defensive scheme is as a DISADVANTAGE in bad weather. Offense already has an advantage in bad weather because they know where they are going on each play. Defenders have to play off a little more in bad weather, and that just completely disrupts our defensive scheme and gives opponents wide open targets to just pick apart Fraziers D.
They won’t fire McD after what this team went through this year, but I hop we make a change at DC.
NOTE: Also hope we see Dorsey leave so we can get a more seasoned and creative OC in here. No way they fire him, but hope he gets the Carolina job.
Sadly I doubt either gets a HC job and doubt either gets fired.
It’s amazing to be located in a cold weather environment, yet our o is terible in cold weather. I am with you on Frazier. Two seasons with good regular season records essentially blown with terrible defensive production in the playoffs. But hey we have a great dvoa! We were at the bottom of the league in sacks I believe. Pretty hard to fathom. I would not be surprised to see Von retire , after seeing that , he might decide it’s time to pursue his other interests. Facing a challenging offseason eso with teams like Miami coming on. This is a big blow to how the Bills will be perceived until they prove they can do something in the playoffs.
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14 minutes ago, Einstein said:
I’ve been fighting that fight for two years on this forum.
There are many people here who downvote ANY post that is critical, even when it is factual. And they attack you. And report your posts. It’s frustrating.
I have been attacked and insulted , by certain high ups you would expect better from. Just for voicing an opinion or discussing one from content creators. It is cancel culture gone wild as you can’t even present thoughts. I agree. It never use to be like that here. The epidemic behavior carried over. Best wishes!
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2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
We were dominated in all 3 phases today, but this season and franchise has always been about Josh Allen being an elite QB and taking us to the next level.
It is safe to say he regressed this year and today was the nail in the coffin.
Sure you can blame the OC, but 10 points at home in a playoff game falls on the QBs shoulders in a MAJOR capacity.
If this board voted on Cinci having 27 points before kickoff, most would have taken it.
I am afraid Allen’s career will be an above average quarterback who shuffles between signs of greatness, signs of mediocrity, and signs of someone with zero offers out of high school.
He is NOT even in the league of Mahomes and Burrow and today solidified that.
I understand your points but I think this was on Dorsey’s inexperience and unfortunately, our side
receivers just never developed like expected. I am much more disappointed by a D that invariably costs us in the playoffs. We were terrible getting sacks. Terrible after all that money. Burrows was barely touched. Frazier’s time has come and when you compare our offensive game planning to KC’s, Cincys, we, Beane , have much work to do. You are in a cold weather stadium , yet they play terrible in cold weather. Crazy.
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11 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
That’s a fair assessment.
I definitely agree there are no excuses.
I just wonder how much is it Beane vs Mcd if the pass rush can’t get home .
Todays game is about not being out coached by a younger head coach with a less experienced franchise QB. I really believe it comes down to Sean’s coordinators; they know what he expects and they have to come thru. This D has been victimized even when statistically it seems they should dominate. Frazier needs to prove today all his experience matters. Why is it he is not getting Hc interviews despite apparent top tier defenses over time? Ageism? Maybe. But maybe it’s because things l8e 13 seconds happened. It can’t happen again.
Mcd has said he was sure Dorsey wanted some series back , like the two bomb throws on a quick 3 and out last week. Dorsey has every weapon available and even some from last year. It’s his first year in the playoffs, so each step is still a learning process. The o can score , we just need turnover free possessions. So imo, rests on Frazier , having had a glimpse what Cincy was going to do and attack. He got a reprieve; and even one of his players got a one in real life. Cincy has a worse O line than in the first game. It’s now a home game and you have Mafia noise to support you. Go after them Leslie! Hit the QB , make them be patient and try to run. How bout for once we don’t give up 7 immediately on the first drive ; don’t let them get cocky? Beane tried the best he could but luck ruined that plan. Today Sean needs competent , quality coaching around him. Take this and you’re one game away from a chance at a SB at a neutral site ; finally not in Kc , not where 13 seconds ruined things. You are set up to be good today, experience says you have an edge. Today had to be good! Good luck and Go Bills!
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5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:
It’s Here! The Long and Winding road has brought us to the Divisional Playoffs at Home in a quasi-rematch with the reigning AFC Champion, Cincinnati Bengals. The teams QBs are among a small handful of the best players at the position and both feature additional star players throughout their rosters. 20 games in from the start of preseason have taken a toll on the rosters and only the healthiest players remain. But it’s at Home! In the waning days of the House that Ralph built. (Ok, WE did..) Another rare opportunity to be in the Conference Championship Game next weekend. Even with Locker cleaning day looming for the vanquished, We really couldn’t ask for more. It’s been a team goal from the very beginning and pursued with great effort. This includes the weight of a forlorned, 63 year franchise in a city that has never won a major Title and their ever faithful fans. Whether we Want to be or not, we’re ALL IN TODAY!
Good luck today We’re all linked and this feels more invested as a season as I ever remember. We’ve followed along with the whole “ process” , each year getting better , closer , until Beane made a huge move to bring it home. This is supposed to be the final piece , but we’re still undermanned on the D side with Hyde/ Von sidelined today. But the game / chance to move on IS in Buffalo. It feels strange because even tho Vegas has us favored, every analyst is picking Cincy , probably based on that prior first quarter and also our flaws last week. But they forget, we still keep winning as has Cincy, But things set up even better for us to advance to a neutral site for the opportunity to get back to the SB. It’s just one good hour of football to get that chance and today, emotions will be filling the stadium like the days of the 90’s
I remember those days and the feeling of anxiety before each of those playoff games. It feels that way when you know you have paid the dues as a team to get there , to keep advancing. This team has paid the dues and never skipped the step of experiencing that pain of a loss on the way there. Cincy hasn’t paid that price yet. They skipped that step getting in last year and missed us by 13 seconds. Today those 13 seconds come due , it’s time to pay it in Buffalo. Today the process pays off and we take one more step to the SB. . I’m nervous, but this is in Buffalo, and it’s where we don’t lose. “ what’s more , we gotta it done! “ Yep, it’s time we have to do it. Hope today is a great day , Go Bills!
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3 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:
Cool hype video for the Bills Bengals w Fitzmagic
Make sure this not only plays pregame but have it ready to go for replay at the half with 30 min left to bury Cincy. No mercy , put any doubts to rest ! Been a long season , a death defying season , historical winter storms season. . No time to be nice to the “GALS”. ! Only one chance to keep moving on this year. Win this and Kc is literally limping into the AFC championship; We can’t waste this opportunity! Why so serious? Why not!? It’s our time! Go Buffalo !
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2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Bet Jags with the points…
Like their D…
Good luck!
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22 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:
I didn't see this posted anywhere but how is this even possible?
According to Jensen himself he had a torn ACL, MCL, PCL, plus a bone chip and a meniscus injury and he "healed" on his own with no surgery in 5 months?
Well , you can function without those ligaments , but it’s not going to be or feel the same. Plus long term I am sure he will have limited function and may end up in the future with a total knee replacement. Short term is much different than long term prognosis ; hey look at guys who have hands with angled and broken fingers ( McFarland) who didn’t get fractures repaired correctly or at all. Pain tolerance, other supporting muscle groups and individual anatomy play a role for each individual.
But you don’t have to have intact ligaments to walk. Would love to see how he feels about this decision in a few years and also look at post injury mri proof of the joint before and after “ healing”. Making it back for a game is different than extending a career. Everbody is different ; I’ve seen smokers live long lives but most don’t lead quality lives and one anecdotal case is just that , not a proven trend that leads to great future outcomes.-
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3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:
To me this makes a long-term Lamar deal less likely.
Edit: Is he too run heavy to be a Dorsey replacement candidate?
Don’t want to go back to the past ; ain’t nobody got time for that!
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1 hour ago, H2o said:
Leftwich should have been made the HC last offseason and now they fire him as OC. Tampa will quickly flush back down into the bowl of anonymity.
Well , having followed Leftwich from Marshall to Jax , he was overrated as a qb and it shows he depended on TB for success as an OC. TB was not as good and it’s not some mystery that Leftwich can’t sustain success? Belicheck dropped off without TB as well. Leftwich is not some great communicator ; he needs experience and polish before he can lead a franchise.
It took years fir Daboll to be prepared and Leftwich and Dorsey should pay attention to that. Why be in a hurry to get a position few hold onto for more than a couple of years ; wait to optimize your limited chances of. success. Reputations are hard to repair , if ever, and it takes great change. Leftwich has plenty of time to get to be a head coach. Ask McDaniels who still is struggling with the raiders and he is running out of opportunities. Chose your path carefully as you have limited chances to be seen as a success and it’s much easier to fail. Daboll did it right and look at his chance to stick with the Giants; his maturity and the Giants success is no coincidence.
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2 hours ago, dorquemada said:
Find a way to keep him. I have faith in Beane on this. The Bills are a better team and the D is a lot more steady when he's in. His presence allows the DBs to swing for the fences more, and has the passion that the D seems to otherwise lack in his absence. Git r done Beane!
I really think underlying injuries which I think will require off season surgery may hinder resigning him , esp with his age. I hate the idea of losing him, but it sure looks unlikely the Bills retain him. Sad as this last season Hyde / poyer only got a couple of games together. Maybe Hamlins situation plays a role if he has any ongoing issues. Why turnover more than needed but it’s about poyers demands as well. He has been a great Bill and one of my fav safeties like Leonard Smith , Kelso , Hyde , poyer. I would even prefer him over Oliver for resigning. The line has proven to be interchangeable or rotatable; the defensive backfield not so much.
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15 hours ago, Beck Water said:
I Don't Think So
That said....
I had the impression McDermott is nonplussed and a bit at his wit's end with some of Josh's decision making the last couple weeks, and that if he had hair left, he'd be pulling it out. He said there's a balance there, you prepare, you put the work in, and there's calculated risk, calculated being the operative, the key word. He was asked if he felt the Bills had dodged a bullet there with the turnovers, and he said "Yeah. I mean, that's not the way you want to live your life, if you want to win games. That's proven, in the NFL. I trust our players, though, that they're going to take great ownership of it, and get it corrected."Later, he said "it's something that's been addressed, directly, indirectly and will continue to be addressed, one way or the other, as we continue down the road here."
Not quite sure what "one way or the other" could mean, LOL.
On the other hand, going back up to @Bocephuz OP, on his Tuesday appearance on Kyle Brandt's Basement, Josh said that he felt he only made one really bad decision in the Dolphins game, and that was the deep throw to Brown.
I don't know if I agree with that; I think on 2nd down, a decision to throw to a tightly covered Beasley with 2 other defenders in the vicinity, vs Diggs short of the chains but very wide open, really ought to be considered.
I saw Josh on that show and it seems he is not being as accountable this year as in the past. He is not stopping the unnecessary fumbles , carrying the ball recklessly as he scrambles and even in the pocket. The red zone ints speak for themselves and while he keeps repeating “ I can’t do that “ , or “ I wish I had that one back” , the same turnover issues are ongoing. Seems like an issue where he is not afraid of accountability like he was in the past under Daboll and I think Dorsey enables him.
Listening to Dorsey never really gives me any glimmer he is actually pushing Josh as his coach , but seems more like a colleague or peer. Josh is still young , and I think this year he is just not adjusting after less than great performances as long as they are winning. I say this as I am watching Daboll convert Daniel jones into a qb who is performing well in the system and not turning the ball over like he did before.
There are options available to Josh to avoid all the ints , he is just not taking them and several content providers have shown that. The fumbles had been addressed before but have returned and you can bet Cincy will be having guys swiping at Josh if he keeps carrying the ball like Shady. Maybe it will take them losing and getting sent home before he decides to accept this could cost them a chance at the title. By asking him to have Better ball security, think about situations a little more , you are not ruining his talent but giving him a chance to win it all.
Mcd and dorsey need to be forceful in not accepting this as ok; they have won and overcome the turnovers so far but it’s playing with fire. I mean Mcd is stating as much. Josh also had more than one bad throw, heck even tasker pointed out he is missing easy slants if he has to come off his first read as he is not moving his feet to reset and just flips it using his arm. He is missing placement which adds to drops. Fina agreed on his show / podcast.
Dorsey needs to quit being a peer and be a coach as statistically teams losing the turnover battle don’t usually keep winning. I just don’t understand how a guy keeps repeating “ I can’t do that” , but then doesn’t change. Feels a bit arrogant and insincere which seems the antithesis of Josh , yet that’s reality. The numbers of ints / fumbles are not fictitious. Zero turnovers and that Miami game is never close. Losing the turnover battle cost the Bills their SB blowout losses; they won’t even get there if they don’t clean this up.
addendum ; watch Ross Tucker with Mike Catalana on Buffalo plus YouTube podcast about the issue with Josh fumbling “ he just doesn't seen to get it “, “ I’ve been in meetings where it’s talked about how loose a guy is with the ball “. It’s coming from a pro about the issue of Josh resistance to deal with the high levels of turnovers. This is a real thing , regardless of pff grade etc. Hopefully our star qb doesn’t have to lose to learn or just change being loose with the ball. It’s a good listen from an insider. Also listen to his analysis if the o line compared to others that are still playing. Just an fyi.
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13 hours ago, teef said:
a lot of the time these are superficial zoom meetings to see if they should go into the multiple day interviews, ( as is my understanding). this happens every year. i don't think there's much concern there.
Weren’t the pegulas against allowing interviews before playoff games before? Even if it’s by zoom , Dorsey still is not just going in unprepared and winging it. Doing a possible career changing interview a day or two prior to playing against a team whose staff is fully preparing , seems unfair to all involved. Honestly , if I was seriously considering hiring someone , I want their undivided attention , not someone distracted.
This is a joke , and if I was dorsey , I would not interview at this time. It’s not like the Carolina brain trust could not shift until at least Monday , and it’s not a high profile job right now. It’s only his first year as an OC, both parties should see if he stands the test of time regarding success as next years competition in the division will be improving.
There is no advantage to doing an interview while a guy is actively working on an upcoming game and the NFL should not allow this. So if the Bills O comes out and lays an egg , loses , do you still want that candidate ? How will the players feel if the game plan falls flat ; I would be pissed if a business partner blew off a big meeting that cost me an opportunity and income. All these coaches talk about how time consuming preparation is, sleeping at the office , etc and then you allow hours to be spent prepping under less than ideal circumstances for what is likely a long shot chance ?
What does this say about how dorsey is viewed in the organization; if valued I would just give him the assistant coach title , a raise , knock off the interview and not allow this distraction. If they lose , this is not going to go over well. -
1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:
and we didn't?
Everyone assumes the Bengals were just gonna wipe the floor with us 7-minutes into the game. Bills moved the ball just as easy against their defense too.
Yeah but game was moved to Buffalo , so it’s still like having the 1 seed until possibly playing KC, right? If the Gals had won , we drop to the three and playing in cincy this week or kc if kc had lost. We were down Hamlin , and #7 , the best nickel back / quasi LB in the league. Who knows how the remainder goes tho, as this Bills team continues to just win ( gals on a 10 game streak too tho )?
They did have some bad luck injury wise , losing 3 starting ol since then perhaps for this game , but hey, Hamlin is out, all pro Hyde and HOF von miller is out, so they can cry me an Ohio river injury wise ! Lol! My issues are we just need Josh to be the best Josh , not shady carrying the ball in one hand , and maybe 11 deep balls ( connecting on 3-4) is not great statistical strategy, esp when backs were open as way to beat the cover 0 ? Not getting to Diggs for stretches is as bad as taking the ball away from someone like Thurman or Reed back in the day. This o line is avg at pass pro , teams are not rushing ends past Josh and also spying him , so Dorsey Needs some anticipation and solutions. Teams will copy that d look. We will need to prob score in the 35 area , so at home our Wr can’t be dropping balls or making route errors. Dorsey tho can’t fall into another 7 sack , def scoring , short field donating O show up. Fingers crossed.
Burrows does scare me because he is just very accurate if you’re not hitting him. We have not been getting home well with 4 dl. Frazier will prob have to send Milano / Edmunds at times. . We don’t match up well with their receivers, but Tre may be feeling more confident , Taron had an amazing game against Hill and Waddell, and hopefully the staff puts Elam out there as he played well and athletically can hang with those gals wrs. I just don’t get their hesitation at this point , he is your #1 pick , rookie time is over and he saved the end game against Miami. What more can you ask while Jackson has had a rough year and now possible knee issues?
Hyde would be huge but medically I think it’s hard seeing him returning for contact this year (if cleared medically tho , hope he does make it back) so I hope Marlowe / poyer are in sync. Little concerned as fins were running free early and they had many critical drops too. Milano is critical stopping Mixon running and hitting Joe cool a couple of hard times, and Edmunds needs to cover the rbs / tight ends well. Would love to see Edmunds get Sticky hands on a couple of those balls he gets too ! ( po has disappeared with ints with arm issues, so maybe Elam can grab or tip one for an int)Should we get behind , more than 10 , or two full possessions at any point at home , I think odds go to 70-30 cincy as I don’t think Josh has a great record from that far back ( don’t have stats in front of me). But if we can remain ahead until late in the 4 th ( like 4 min time) by 7 or 8 , or keep within one possession, I think it flips to 80% BILLS WIN. 0-1 turnovers or we win the turnover margin and I think it’s a win , like 38-31.
Lose the turnover margin by more than 1 and I don’t see how we escape again. I don’t terribly mind the ints too much, but there is no excuse for Josh to keep carrying the ball Shady style, one handed scrambling and certainly not in between the tackles. if Daboll has Daniel jones playing error free, well That speaks volumes about our coaching if the Turnovers continue. Should we still be hearing “ I can’t do that” next week from Josh ,most likely he will be right, he “ can’t “because they won’t be playing. I struggle understanding those type of preventable mental mistakes. Josh will keep a great year going avoiding those. 😀
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5 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:
Josh has a combined 32 INTs and fumbles on the year (including playoffs) most in the NFL. He always says “I’ve gotta do a better job protecting the ball,” but then the game starts and well…
The offense often feels like it has ADHD and can’t have that surgical focus for an entire 60 mins. How much more dangerous would the Bills be if they seldom turned the ball over? Hopefully those gaffes won’t be our undoing. Beane did say the playoffs are often a microcosm of the season, exposing what ails the team the most.
Perfect summary of the situation. Many posters , in the chats during the game , anywhere on the planet will condemn you if as just a football fan , even as an avid Josh and Bills fan for decades , you commit the horrible crime of stating an opinion that Josh can at times make mistakes. 😉. This despite Mcd saying clearly we played poor complimentary football and we must take care of the ball and both Josh and Dorsey “ wished “ they had a play or series of called plays back in his post game presser. Again , even being a supporter for years doesn’t seem to permit mentioning you should not expect certain types of errors from a 5 th year qb / 6 th year head coach . I think your ideas are spot on. ! 😀 It’s crazy , Dan Fetes, a good natured guy, just put up a YouTube on Buffalo plus apologizing for saying Josh could have done better! It’s crazy he felt compelled to defend such a harmless statement! Certain elements of the fan community needs to get help, stay off social media, take a walk!
One enjoyable experience is hearing the same , mob like mentality statement, “nothing matters but the W and nothing carry’s through to the next game “ , as if that’s the only thing or end result that is allowed to be learned or gained from participating in watching and discussing an event that lasted over 4 hours of your life, and a hobby most on here have spent years enjoying and learning about.
There is unfortunately a DARK Tetrad ( well researched and published data about anonymous online behavior or online trolls ) of traits of anonymous DENOUNCERS , being they tend to be narcissistic ( people who believe they deserve social status having never actually earned it ), Machiavellian ( manipulate others to get what they want, regardless of outcome to others ) , psychopathic ( parasitic and predatory and willing to exploit people ), and sadistic ( taking a delight in seeing others fail ) , and that TETRAD of traits will be brought to bare against anyone being even mildly critical of 17 in any way , even tho we all have progressed in our lives and careers experiencing CONSTRUCTIVE ( very key word , done in a positive manner , not destructive) criticism.
His coaches are supposed to be critical and he seems to expect some Job critique, but offering an opinion even agreeing with his own REPETITION of issues is akin to kicking a puppy, a 6’5”, 245 LBish puppy who leaps tall men to protect himself! Just watch the response tho, as mentioning such admitted errors is evil !🤪 ! Lol! Terrible, right?
I really respect/ enjoyed your thoughts on how MUCH MORE dangerous we COULD be, and hopefully these gaffes won’t be the Bills undoing against better teams. The pattern of INTS & FUMBLES ( we have heard dbs knowing Josh will put the ball up in danger in situations, and you can bet they noticed how often he is exposing the ball in the pocket scrambling or out running and fumbling , just as they did for backs like Tiki Barber in the past) DOES CARRY Over or the numbers wouldn’t be building and teams wouldn’t watch film looking for ways to get an edge against an upcoming opponent.
Them’s FACTS! 🤔. So , while the ultimate goal is easily stated to WIN & ADVANCE , to just simplify things to the point of believing Josh or the Bills have no influence over that process based on PRIOR GAME performance seems short sighted. Coaching staffs matter, better ones win in the NFL by adapting and based on the last 3 turnover , 17 point blown lead game, this staff needs to provide strategy to overcome some clear flaws across the o line, Josh’s decisions , etc.
I think Dorsey has NOT been as influential or demanding ( like Daboll who has influenced Allen and now Jones with a 0 TO playoff win) and that’s possibly why we have not seen the ball security issues reigned in. Ultimately it comes back to SEAN’s responsibility and his level of tolerance of issues that hurt team performance. Dorsey will improve with time , but if they don’t want to waste a great year of resilience and success so far , Mcd needs to stand by his press statements & enforce while practicing that the level of performance against Miami is NOT LIKELY CHAMPIONSHIP quality. I mean, it could be adequate, but seems unlikely doesn’t it?
There is no time left to HOPE they don’t keep turning the ball over just because they keep promising they won’t keep shooting themselves is an actual solution. I think Mcd / Dorsey need to step up and actually perform well situationally and get Josh on board ; they won’t ruin his instincts by demanding things like he quit carrying the football like Shady! 😉. I do hope they treat these guys, while playing , as serious enemies and don’t let down because that might be human nature after going thru the Hamlin situation together. It’s great they were compassionate, but not they need an a$$ kicking!
I don’t know , but most owners / bosses I have worked under actually expect accountability and the GREAT ones give you tools to keep advancing against adversity and struggles. Now is the point where don’t want to get eliminated based on ignoring simple errors you have identified and promised won’t keep recurring; the Bills have not been able to even compete for their ultimate goal since the 90’s and I think solving the turnover issue can get them there. Could be an insightful time regarding certain coaching careers; Marv at least got there 4 x! And hey, it’s just words and an opinion; I wouldn’t even treat a sore throat without discussing options for the best outcome. People have to be allowed to talk, throw out opinions safely or the community becomes a dogma mafia ! 👍😊 Go Bills!-
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Maybe it was just a bad day
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It was not just a bad day. The coaching on both sides of the ball had issues from mid season on. Please , as a good fan , quality poster, go look at cover 1 ‘s breakdown of the d and O in the video about you are what your last game is. It’s an 11/2 hour expert film breakdown of the coaching issues that are plaguing this team , and the defense has in particular been responsible for the majority of the playoff losses. It’s not a bad day when you see the results of a horrible coaching philosophy and how Cincy dismantled the defense easily.
This is on frazie4 and Mcd complicating the reads so much more in the playoffs that players can’t play fast and it showed tendencies that had been going on for se real games that the bengals planned for and easily exploited with a predominantly back up o line. Also , injuries added to the demise as players ( poyer , Phillips ) for example were playing with one arm and your best defensive player outside of Milano , Daquan jones was absent and thr running game was exploited , but you will learn how it was exploited over several games. Don’t ignore the fact the Fins almost beat this team with a third string qb ; that is almost unprecedented and it foreshadowed the following loss. Burrows predicted they would dominate this d , and they d based on superb coaching by them , but a worn out , poorly , over complicated scheme that Mcd/ Frazier keep going to in the playoffs and cover 1 shows how absurd these mistakes were.
losing predominantly the playoffs ( mcds 4-5 record) , is not a bad day , it is a true trend and if you want to keep believing things in games like this happen by chance , then you are doing yourself a disservice continuing to watch and not really grasping the true issues that will continue to keep this team from a Super Bowl appearance unless changes , at least on the defensive side / scheme occur. It shows why you can be misled by relying on things like dvoa. 13 seconds and this loss happened because of defensive breakdowns that were very similar. Please , it’s free on YouTube. It’s an excellent watch for you football IQ , and it can give you insight into how this team can progress, or how it might just continue accepting the status quo. It might help you gage how much time and emotional commitment you are willing to invest based on those decisions. Please , don’t just take my word , get insight and education from guys who have passion , knowledge, and don’t deal with myths or lack of reason. Revisit this after you watch that breakdown , and then let me know if you think it was “ just a bad day”, it is a trend and scheme dependent result. Best wishes. ( the offensive side is another issue ; it has to be addressed as well but we have a franchise qb , so 90% of the job is in place and just needs fine tuning).