bbillsfan87 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 just sitting thinking about much better moulds could've been if he could've a consistent starter at qb. he put up great numbers but the same thing applies to evans. no consistency......thats why recievers such as harrison (manning), rice (montana and young). lee evans (bledsoe, losman, holcomb, matthews, edwards) and that doesnt beging to explain how many times quarterbacks were switched on and off during the course of a season. its kinda disheartening to see a guy of evans caliber and talent be held back cuz coaches can't make up their dam minds. it doesnt allow chemistry to be built between a qb and his wr if you keep switching. not that we are now.....just kinda was thinking about it thats all. thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 sad, and true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Based on passed performance I'm not sure Evans would even be starting for half of the teams in the NFL. Maybe with TO there now the pressure will be off of Evans and he can produce more this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillsfan87 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 Based on passed performance I'm not sure Evans would even be starting for half of the teams in the NFL.Maybe with TO there now the pressure will be off of Evans and he can produce more this season. so what your saying basically is that he wouldnt thrive with a brady, manning, rivers, brees, or a rodgers? please tell me your joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peevo Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Remember in '05 when the team totally bottomed out? By the 4th quarter all Gus Johnson and Rich Gannon had to talk about was the "Eric Moulds Stat Box." And it was always something like: Rich Gannon: You know, Gus, take a look at Eric Moulds' career numbers. Gus Johnson: Wow, Rich, he's been quite the competitor for a lot of years up here in Buffalo. Rich Gannon: Thats right Gus, you know he's had 17 different offensive coordinators, 5 different head coaches, 24 different receivers coaches, and 6 different starting quarterbacks in his career? Gus Johnson: Wow, Rich, I didn't know that! (despite the fact they'd ran this stat at least 10 games in a row.) Man, I can't wait for the exact same thing with Lee Evans this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillsfan87 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 its sad really. i feel bad for him...he has all my respect. never requested trade or release. never even whined about not being paid enough. hes a model citizen and player. once in a lifetime player on and off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 so what your saying basically is that he wouldnt thrive with a brady, manning, rivers, brees, or a rodgers? please tell me your joking? Of course any receiver would do better with a better QB delivering the ball, and better still when that QB had lots of time to throw it. I just haven't seen anything from Evans to date that leads me to believe he is any kind of "elite" receiver. Like I said above, maybe with some help from TO being there this season he will do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillsfan87 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 Of course any receiver would do better with a better QB delivering the ball, and better still when that QB had lots of time to throw it. I just haven't seen anything from Evans to date that leads me to believe he is any kind of "elite" receiver. Like I said above, maybe with some help from TO being there this season he will do better. well how about the one handed helmet grab last year while keeping his feet in bounds...for a TD? or maybe the fact that he still gets 1000 yds recieving with the inconsistency at QB. Jon Gruden said last night that he believes that Evans is in the Top 3 underrated recievers in this league and could start anywhere else. what else do you need to see to show you that he can be an elite reciever? he can't be "elite" unless he has a QB. but what your saying is that you wanna see him be elite with losman or edwards? not an easy task and he still put up big numbers in the last few yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I couldn't agree more. Evans is an outstanding receiver playing on a team unable to utilize him in the past. TE may be an improvement this year if we can figure out a way to avoid the pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 so what your saying basically is that he wouldnt thrive with a brady, manning, rivers, brees, or a rodgers? please tell me your joking? Yeah that is exactly what he is saying. He is a one trick pony and WAY overpaid. Moulds had the entire package. Unfortunately he also smacked around his women and then got himself traded with his actions. But from a WR standpoint, Moulds was a good all around WR. Lee isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillsfan87 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 Yeah that is exactly what he is saying. He is a one trick pony and WAY overpaid. Moulds had the entire package. Unfortunately he also smacked around his women and then got himself traded with his actions. But from a WR standpoint, Moulds was a good all around WR. Lee isn't. how isn't lee an all around good reciever? oh cuz he isn't your prototypical reciever size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 well how about the one handed helmet grab last year while keeping his feet in bounds...for a TD? or maybe the fact that he still gets 1000 yds recieving with the inconsistency at QB. Jon Gruden said last night that he believes that Evans is in the Top 3 underrated recievers in this league and could start anywhere else. what else do you need to see to show you that he can be an elite reciever? he can't be "elite" unless he has a QB. but what your saying is that you wanna see him be elite with losman or edwards? not an easy task and he still put up big numbers in the last few yrs. Touchdowns - Consistent decline from 9 in 2004 to 3 last season. "Numbers" - Two 1000+ yard seasons in the last 5, including last season. And 2 of the last 3 seasons. Receiving Yards - Ranked 19th last season. Average Yards Per Reception - 10th (not bad considering) Receiving Touchdowns - Tied for 61st Receiving Yards Per Game - 21st Are all of those affected by the QB, absolutely. Not sure I'd call them big numbers, but to each his own. Oh, and I do have to give him props for not missing a game in the last 5 years. Definitely a iron man. Not so much as a sprained toe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbillsfan87 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 Touchdowns - Consistent decline from 9 in 2004 to 3 last season."Numbers" - Two 1000+ yard seasons in the last 5, including last season. And 2 of the last 3 seasons. Receiving Yards - Ranked 19th last season. Average Yards Per Reception - 10th (not bad considering) Receiving Touchdowns - Tied for 61st Receiving Yards Per Game - 21st Are all of those affected by the QB, absolutely. Not sure I'd call them big numbers, but to each his own. Oh, and I do have to give him props for not missing a game in the last 5 years. Definitely a iron man. Not so much as a sprained toe agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 how isn't lee an all around good reciever? oh cuz he isn't your prototypical reciever size? Evans is a good receiver. Do you think he was worth a #13 in the draft? He wasn't. He is GOOD, but he isn't Eric Moulds good. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 This was a good tale three years ago, he fell short of 10,000 by a measly 5 yds......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Touchdowns - Consistent decline from 9 in 2004 to 3 last season. What is sad is despite the consistent decline, Evans has led the Bills in receiving TDs in each of those five seasons. Doesn't say much for the Bills ability or willingness to pass into the end zone. Trivia Question (I'd actually be surprised if someone knew it off the top of their head): Name the last player to lead the Bills in receiving TDs besides Lee Evans in a season? Hint: it ain't Moulds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Centers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Centers? Nope. The last guy to lead in receiving TDs was also a Wide Receiver, Bobby Shaw with a whopping total of 4. Bledsoe had 11 Passing TDs in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 how isn't lee an all around good reciever? oh cuz he isn't your prototypical reciever size? No, the guy doesn't run good routes, isn't consistent, doesn't fight for the ball and has questionable hands. I have seen a few INT's directly Lee's fault. Not fighting for the ball, half assing his routes, and dropping passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Evans is a good receiver. Do you think he was worth a #13 in the draft? He wasn't. He is GOOD, but he isn't Eric Moulds good. Jmo. That is exactly it. But Bill, we all know how it is. JUST BECAUSE HE IS A BUFFALO BILL, that makes him 'great'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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