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Well I tried to use the...

Bush=Bad

Anybody but Bush=good

 

argument that your candidates used so successfully..... oh wait.....

 

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First of all I voted for Bush...this has nothing to do with that...again good points...you're on a roll

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This is a huge victory for GWB

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Yes indeed, this is the race that kept me up all night. I was all giddy by the time they announced dashles defeat.

 

This combined with the fact that GWB got 51% of the vote, and the senate will now have 55 senators, should bode well for the all important Supreme Court appointments.

 

 

God Bless America

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First of all I voted for Bush...this has nothing to do with that...again good points...you're on a roll

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Ok... here is a short list of bills that have passed the House and were stalled in the Senate in 2002:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/761863/posts

 

H.R. 7 -- Community Solutions Act of 2001

H.R. 3210 -- Terrorism Risk Protection Act

H.R. 3529 -- Economic Security and Worker Assistance Act of 2001

H.R. 1900 -- Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention Act

H.R. 2505 -- Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001

H.R. 3762 -- Pension Security Act

H.Con. Res 353 -- FY 2003 Budget Resolution

H.R. 586 -- Tax Relief Guarantee Act of 2002

H.R. 496 -- Independent Telecommunications Consumer Enhancement Act of 2001

H.R. 624 -- Organ Donation Improvement Act of 2001

H.R. 1992 -- Internet Equity and Education Act of 2001

H.R. 724 -- To authorize appropriations to carry out part B of title I of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act, relating to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

H.R. 2983 -- Price-Anderson Reauthorization Act of 2001

H.R. 476 -- The Child Custody Protection Act

H.R. 2146 -- Two Strikes and You're Out Child Protection Act

H.R. 1542 - Internet Freedom and Broadband Deployment Act of 2001

H.R. 2985 -- American Spirit Fraud Prevention Act

H.R. 974 -- Small Business Interest Checking Act of 2001

H.R. 1408 -- Financial Services Antifraud Network Act of 2001

H.R. 2589 -- Office of Multifamily Housing Assistance Restructuring

Extension Act of 2001

H.R. 3060 -- Emergency Securities Response Act of 2001

H.R. 2052 -- Sudan Peace Act (House has named conferees/Senate has not.)

H.R. 2272 -- Coral Reef and Coastal Marine Conservation Act of 2001

H.R. 2833 -- Vietnam Human Rights Act

H.R. 2541 -- To enhance the authorities of special agents.

H.R. 741 -- Madrid Protocol Implementation Act

H.R. 860 -- Multidistrict, Multiparty, Multiforum Trial Jurisdiction Act of

H.R. 863 -- Consequences for Juvenile Offenders Act

H.R. 1209 -- Child Status Protection Act of 2001

H.R. 2047 -- Patent and Trademark Office Authorization Act of 2002

H.R. 3507 -- Coast Guard Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002

H.R. 2501 -- Appalachian Regional Commission Reauthorization Act of 2001

H.R. 2546 -- Real Interstate Driver Equity Act of 2001

H.R. 554 -- Rail Passenger Disaster Family Assistance Act of 2001

H.R. 691 -- Extension of Child Passenger Protection Grants

H.R. 3391 -- Medicare Regulatory and Contracting Reform Act of 2001

H.R. 2722 -- Clean Diamond Trade Act

H.R. 1866 -- To clarify the basis for granting requests for reexamination of patents.

H.R. 834 - National Trails System Willing Seller Act

H.R. 3394 - Cyber Security Research and Development Act

H.R. 3209 -- Anti-Hoax Terrorism

H.R. 2341 -- Class Action Fairness Act of 2002

H.R. 3763 -- Corporate and Auditing Accountability, Responsibility, and Transparency Act of 2002

H.R. 3231 -- Immigration Reform and Accountability Act of 2002

H.R. 4700 -- Personal Responsibility, Work, and Family Promotion Act

H.R. 3178 -- Water Infrastructure Security and Research Development Act

H.R. 2899 -- Freedom Bonds Act

H.R. 4085 -- Veterans' and Survivors' Benefits Expansion Act

H.R. 3764 -- Securities and Exchange Commission Authorization Act of 2002

H.R. 3763 -- The Corporate and Auditing Accountability Act

H.R. 4598 -- Homeland Security Information Sharing Act ......

 

Or consider this from the Wall Street Journal...

 

http://daschlevthune.typepad.com/daschle_v...les_senate.html

 

Daschle's Senate: "reform graveyard"

The following is the main editorial in today's Wall Street Journal. It is entitled "Daschle's Dead Zone":

 

It was said of Willie Mays that his glove was the place where triples went to die. The U.S. Senate has earned a similar reputation of late, but one that is hardly a compliment: It's the place where good ideas go to die.

Consider the table nearby of important legislation that has passed the House of Representatives and has gone nowhere quickly on the other side of the Capitol. This is far from an exhaustive list. We counted 27 such major bills in the past session of Congress, and 26 more are in danger of meeting the same fate this year. The simple truth is that, despite holding the White House and majorities in both houses, the Republicans have not been able to carry out most of the agenda on which they campaigned.

 

Some liberals might argue that this is by design. The Founding Fathers created the Senate as "a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions," in the words of James Madison. So they wisely insulated the upper house against passing democratic passions through six-year terms. As a further safeguard, the Senate's own rules and traditions give to the minority the power to hold the whole body hostage through the filibuster, which can only be overcome by a supermajority of 60 votes.

 

It's worth remembering, however, that historically the latter weapon was used sparingly. The threat of a filibuster was most often brandished as a bargaining tool for the minority to exact concessions from the majority. But in recent years, and never more than in this Congress, the filibuster has become a tool to block an entire legislative program that had won a mandate from the voters.

 

All of this has been part of a deliberate political strategy by Minority Leader Tom Daschle. He has organized the filibusters that have blocked votes on nearly every bill on the nearby list. On class-action reform, he prevailed last year despite underlying support for the bill from 59 Senators (and this year despite support from 62, after he demanded multiple non-germane amendments). He has blocked an extension of welfare reform that was signed by Bill Clinton and is one of the most successful domestic policy efforts in the past 50 years.

 

SENATE GRAVEYARD: Legislation that has passed the House in the 108th Congress but is dying in the world's greatest deliberative body.

 

BILL HOUSE VOTE DATE BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE

Welfare Reform 230-192 Feb. 13, 2003

Human Cloning Prohibition Act 241-155 Feb. 27, 2003

Medical Malpractice 229-196 March 3, 2003

Bankruptcy Reform 315-113 March 17, 2003

Pension Security Act 271-157 May 14, 2003

Flag Burning and Desecration 300-125 Jun 3, 2003

Class Action Fairness Act 253-170 June 12, 2003

Death Tax Repeal 264-163 June 18, 2003

Head Start Reform 217-216 July 25, 2003

Energy Bill 246-180 Nov. 21, 2003

Marriage Penalty Repeal 323-95 April 28, 2004

Make 10% Tax Bracket Permanent 344-76 May 13, 2004

 

Source: Thomas and WSJ Research

 

Mr. Daschle is fighting tooth and nail even on bills that both sides can agree are beneficial. Witness the struggle of Majority Leader Bill Frist just to get Democrats to send to conference a bill bringing corporate taxes into compliance with World Trade Organization rules. Such conference agreements used to be routine. Because of the two months of needless delay after Senate passage of the bill, there may not be time left in this Congress to reach a compromise with the House. That means European Union sanctions against American businesses will continue to ratchet up each month, costing jobs.

 

The Democratic calculus here is obvious. Usually when Congress is gridlocked, the public blames the majority for failing to compromise enough to get something done. That's what happened in 2002 to Democrats who had obstructed passage of a homeland security bill in order to placate union demands. Mr. Daschle lost his majority.

 

But rather than conclude that he had been too obstructionist, Mr. Daschle decided he hadn't been obstructionist enough. And because the GOP now has nominal Senate control with 51 seats, he figures the public will blame Republicans this time for the failure to get much done. So far he has been right, judging by the polls. Then again, Democrats also thought they were winning in 2002, until Election Day approached, voters figured out what was happening and Max Cleland among others was ousted.

 

The political reality is that if voters want to pass the items on the attached list, much less pass Social Security reform or make tax cuts permanent, they are going to have to elect more Republican Senators in November.

 

The biggest test will be in South Dakota, where Mr. Daschle is facing his most difficult re-election challenge since his first race in 1986. His opponent is former Congressman John Thune, and the polls show the race is a toss-up, notwithstanding Mr. Daschle having spent close to $10 million so far in a state with only 750,000 people. The main issue in that race deserves to be whether Mr. Daschle's decision to turn the Senate into a reform graveyard should be rewarded with another six years.

 

 

 

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Ok... here is a short list of bills that have passed the House and were stalled in the Senate in 2002:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/761863/posts

 

H.R. 7 -- Community Solutions Act of 2001

H.R. 3210 -- Terrorism Risk Protection Act

H.R. 3529 -- Economic Security and Worker Assistance Act of 2001

H.R. 1900 -- Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention Act

H.R. 2505 -- Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001

H.R. 3762 -- Pension Security Act

H.Con. Res 353 -- FY 2003 Budget Resolution

H.R. 586 -- Tax Relief Guarantee Act of 2002

H.R. 496 -- Independent Telecommunications Consumer Enhancement Act of 2001

H.R. 624 -- Organ Donation Improvement Act of 2001

H.R. 1992 -- Internet Equity and Education Act of 2001

H.R. 724 -- To authorize appropriations to carry out part B of title I of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act, relating to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

H.R. 2983 -- Price-Anderson Reauthorization Act of 2001

H.R. 476 -- The Child Custody Protection Act

H.R. 2146 -- Two Strikes and You're Out Child Protection Act

H.R. 1542 - Internet Freedom and Broadband Deployment Act of 2001

H.R. 2985 -- American Spirit Fraud Prevention Act

H.R. 974 -- Small Business Interest Checking Act of 2001

H.R. 1408 -- Financial Services Antifraud Network Act of 2001

H.R. 2589 -- Office of Multifamily Housing Assistance Restructuring

Extension Act of 2001

H.R. 3060 -- Emergency Securities Response Act of 2001

H.R. 2052 -- Sudan Peace Act (House has named conferees/Senate has not.)

H.R. 2272 -- Coral Reef and Coastal Marine Conservation Act of 2001

H.R. 2833 -- Vietnam Human Rights Act

H.R. 2541 -- To enhance the authorities of special agents.

H.R. 741 -- Madrid Protocol Implementation Act

H.R. 860 -- Multidistrict, Multiparty, Multiforum Trial Jurisdiction Act of

H.R. 863 -- Consequences for Juvenile Offenders Act

H.R. 1209 -- Child Status Protection Act of 2001

H.R. 2047 -- Patent and Trademark Office Authorization Act of 2002

H.R. 3507 -- Coast Guard Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002

H.R. 2501 -- Appalachian Regional Commission Reauthorization Act of 2001

H.R. 2546 -- Real Interstate Driver Equity Act of 2001

H.R. 554 -- Rail Passenger Disaster Family Assistance Act of 2001

H.R. 691 -- Extension of Child Passenger Protection Grants

H.R. 3391 -- Medicare Regulatory and Contracting Reform Act of 2001

H.R. 2722 -- Clean Diamond Trade Act

H.R. 1866 -- To clarify the basis for granting requests for reexamination of patents.

H.R. 834 - National Trails System Willing Seller Act

H.R. 3394 - Cyber Security Research and Development Act

H.R. 3209 -- Anti-Hoax Terrorism

H.R. 2341 -- Class Action Fairness Act of 2002

H.R. 3763 -- Corporate and Auditing Accountability, Responsibility, and Transparency Act of 2002

H.R. 3231 -- Immigration Reform and Accountability Act of 2002

H.R. 4700 -- Personal Responsibility, Work, and Family Promotion Act

H.R. 3178 -- Water Infrastructure Security and Research Development Act

H.R. 2899 -- Freedom Bonds Act

H.R. 4085 -- Veterans' and Survivors' Benefits Expansion Act

H.R. 3764 -- Securities and Exchange Commission Authorization Act of 2002

H.R. 3763 -- The Corporate and Auditing Accountability Act

H.R. 4598 -- Homeland Security Information Sharing Act ......

 

Or consider this from the Wall Street Journal...

 

http://daschlevthune.typepad.com/daschle_v...les_senate.html

 

Daschle's Senate: "reform graveyard"

The following is the main editorial in today's Wall Street Journal. It is entitled "Daschle's Dead Zone":

 

It was said of Willie Mays that his glove was the place where triples went to die. The U.S. Senate has earned a similar reputation of late, but one that is hardly a compliment: It's the place where good ideas go to die.

Consider the table nearby of important legislation that has passed the House of Representatives and has gone nowhere quickly on the other side of the Capitol. This is far from an exhaustive list. We counted 27 such major bills in the past session of Congress, and 26 more are in danger of meeting the same fate this year. The simple truth is that, despite holding the White House and majorities in both houses, the Republicans have not been able to carry out most of the agenda on which they campaigned.

 

Some liberals might argue that this is by design. The Founding Fathers created the Senate as "a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions," in the words of James Madison. So they wisely insulated the upper house against passing democratic passions through six-year terms. As a further safeguard, the Senate's own rules and traditions give to the minority the power to hold the whole body hostage through the filibuster, which can only be overcome by a supermajority of 60 votes.

 

It's worth remembering, however, that historically the latter weapon was used sparingly. The threat of a filibuster was most often brandished as a bargaining tool for the minority to exact concessions from the majority. But in recent years, and never more than in this Congress, the filibuster has become a tool to block an entire legislative program that had won a mandate from the voters.

 

All of this has been part of a deliberate political strategy by Minority Leader Tom Daschle. He has organized the filibusters that have blocked votes on nearly every bill on the nearby list. On class-action reform, he prevailed last year despite underlying support for the bill from 59 Senators (and this year despite support from 62, after he demanded multiple non-germane amendments). He has blocked an extension of welfare reform that was signed by Bill Clinton and is one of the most successful domestic policy efforts in the past 50 years.

 

SENATE GRAVEYARD: Legislation that has passed the House in the 108th Congress but is dying in the world's greatest deliberative body.

 

BILL HOUSE VOTE DATE BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE

Welfare Reform 230-192 Feb. 13, 2003

Human Cloning Prohibition Act 241-155 Feb. 27, 2003

Medical Malpractice 229-196 March 3, 2003

Bankruptcy Reform 315-113 March 17, 2003

Pension Security Act 271-157 May 14, 2003

Flag Burning and Desecration 300-125 Jun 3, 2003

Class Action Fairness Act 253-170 June 12, 2003

Death Tax Repeal 264-163 June 18, 2003

Head Start Reform 217-216 July 25, 2003

Energy Bill 246-180 Nov. 21, 2003

Marriage Penalty Repeal 323-95 April 28, 2004

Make 10% Tax Bracket Permanent 344-76 May 13, 2004

 

Source: Thomas and WSJ Research

 

Mr. Daschle is fighting tooth and nail even on bills that both sides can agree are beneficial. Witness the struggle of Majority Leader Bill Frist just to get Democrats to send to conference a bill bringing corporate taxes into compliance with World Trade Organization rules. Such conference agreements used to be routine. Because of the two months of needless delay after Senate passage of the bill, there may not be time left in this Congress to reach a compromise with the House. That means European Union sanctions against American businesses will continue to ratchet up each month, costing jobs.

 

The Democratic calculus here is obvious. Usually when Congress is gridlocked, the public blames the majority for failing to compromise enough to get something done. That's what happened in 2002 to Democrats who had obstructed passage of a homeland security bill in order to placate union demands. Mr. Daschle lost his majority.

 

But rather than conclude that he had been too obstructionist, Mr. Daschle decided he hadn't been obstructionist enough. And because the GOP now has nominal Senate control with 51 seats, he figures the public will blame Republicans this time for the failure to get much done. So far he has been right, judging by the polls. Then again, Democrats also thought they were winning in 2002, until Election Day approached, voters figured out what was happening and Max Cleland among others was ousted.

 

The political reality is that if voters want to pass the items on the attached list, much less pass Social Security reform or make tax cuts permanent, they are going to have to elect more Republican Senators in November.

 

The biggest test will be in South Dakota, where Mr. Daschle is facing his most difficult re-election challenge since his first race in 1986. His opponent is former Congressman John Thune, and the polls show the race is a toss-up, notwithstanding Mr. Daschle having spent close to $10 million so far in a state with only 750,000 people. The main issue in that race deserves to be whether Mr. Daschle's decision to turn the Senate into a reform graveyard should be rewarded with another six years.

ANY QUESTIONS?

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Thank you for the facts....I was just curious because all you said was that he was bad...at least you supported your opinion on here...thats more than a lot of people on this board would do!

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Thank you for the facts....I was just curious because all you said was that he was bad...at least you supported your opinion on here...thats more than a lot of people on this board would do!

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Thanks didn't mean to get too sacrcastic.... Its just all I heard from the Kerry crowd was Bush=Bad,,,, Anyone but Bush=good...

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he was on the other hand fairly moderate, and the rnc spent $25 million to beat him.

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I don't think that's so. IIRC, it was 30M total spent between both (amazing for such a low-population State), and 25M would be a huge sum for the RNC et al to spend on a Senate seat in a heavily Republican State. Daschle stood out like the proverbial sore thumb in the South Dakota political constellation.

 

I believe the large majority of the $ was from the DNC and their acolytes...his was a "defend at all costs" Senate seat...and he got unseated because the South Dakotans found fault with him.

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