drinkTHEkoolaid Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 what are your thoughts on the Obama stimulus? lets have a discussion. Read this article and let me know what you think of it. Personally i think it is spot on. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the...ad_america.html "The Stimulus will lead America in the direction of Western New York" By Michael Filozof I encourage debate and different view points but lets keep it civilized! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Rut Row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTS Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I told my liberal friends since day one that Obama will bring America down to our level. And that's bad for America. Maybe good for WNY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hmmm...where on earth does he mention anything in the stimulus package? And exactly how does that relate to anything in Western New York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 and finally...doesn't this belong on the nazi board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hmmm...where on earth does he mention anything in the stimulus package? And exactly how does that relate to anything in Western New York? It seemed to be more of an analysis of socialism than of the current stimulus package... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 That is fine, but if so why would he mention the current stimulus package or President Obama? It doesn't make sense. Western New York is no more socialist than anywhere else. If he want to look at "socialist" headcare in Canada or elsewhere, feel free. Michael Moore already did that. If he is going to talk about big government, look to the previous presidential administration. If he is going to talk about unnecessary govt. spending of taxpayer money for bailout of irresponsible and greedy institutions...Henry Paulson and George Bush kind of wrote the book on it. Bizarre story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 It seemed to be more of an analysis of socialism than of the current stimulus package... Isn't the stimulus package socialism at it's finest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Isn't the stimulus package socialism at it's finest? Elaborate...what in the stimulus package do you define as socialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Elaborate...what in the stimulus package do you define as socialist? Govmint buying up bad banks. Govmint sending money to private businesses to prop them up. Govmint bailing out POSes who overreached in purchasing a home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Govmint buying up bad banks. Govmint sending money to private businesses to prop them up. Govmint bailing out POSes who overreached in purchasing a home. Interesting definition. Is that ALL socialism is...those three things. I think you meant to say that these three things, the first and second of which is a legacy of the last administration. The key part of the stimulus money wise is a very large tax cut, hardly socialist. Now...what part of the stimulus bill bails out (from jail?) POS's who overreached in purchasing homes? I like this definition of socialism, although those of us who enter into the discussion might want to provide their own definition which can obviously be more detailed, specific and probably better. This is just a first cut- from the wikipedia definition that sounded pretty close to what I always thought it was: Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan72 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 If he want to look at "socialist" headcare in Canada or elsewhere, feel free. Michael Moore already did that. Yeah, that wasn't slanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Rut Row. I know! Like this place hasn't been chippy enough lately! *grabbing a lawn chair and cooler o' beer to sit back and watch the fun* Now Beerball's right in the mix, this is gonna get fun. Where's Sketch when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Interesting definition. Is that ALL socialism is...those three things. I think you meant to say that these three things, the first and second of which is a legacy of the last administration. The key part of the stimulus money wise is a very large tax cut, hardly socialist. Now...what part of the stimulus bill bails out (from jail?) POS's who overreached in purchasing homes? I like this definition of socialism, although those of us who enter into the discussion might want to provide their own definition which can obviously be more detailed, specific and probably better. This is just a first cut- from the wikipedia definition that sounded pretty close to what I always thought it was: Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation. Perhaps you can learn me the definition of socialism? You asked for me to elaborate on "what in the stimulus package do you define as socialist" and I gave you a couple. You didn't ask me to define socialism. But you are better versed than I so please help me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Got me...the definition I gave is from wikipedia, hardly the authoritative source, but it gave a pretty good nutshell definition of apretty vague concept. Its pretty close to what I thought socialism was, but I'll defer to the PhD's in the field. The Bush Bailout of the Banks sound more like the giving POS's money for bad decisions than anything I'm seeing in the stimulus. www.recovery.gov I don't see that in the stimulus package. The biggest piece of the stimulus package is tax relief and the second business is bailing out financially strapped states...not private business. The infrastructure and energy allocations should encourage private industry, not take it over. Now if the banks and auto industry come begging and there is a decision to give them billions (I wasn't in favor of the bush giveaway and I'm not sure I can buy bailing out the auto industry.) I want them to put restrictions on them compensation and expenditure wise to protect OUR loan, grant, gift or bailout. That's common sense, not socialism. http://www.whec.com/article/stories/S793499.shtml Lets look at the new york part of the stimulus package. That's about 215,000 jobs. I think that does a lot more for me than the bank bailout...but hey... I must be a "socialist" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I know! Like this place hasn't been chippy enough lately! *grabbing a lawn chair and cooler o' beer to sit back and watch the fun* Now Beerball's right in the mix, this is gonna get fun. Where's Sketch when you need him? Hey! dont hog all the popcorn, man!! I putting 5 bucks on the beerball dude. Where's the salt? I wonder when Simon will come swooping in to Clean everyone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hey! dont hog all the popcorn, man!! I putting 5 bucks on the beerball dude. Where's the salt? I wonder when Simon will come swooping in to Clean everyone up. Bullfight critics rank in rows And crowd the large arena full But in the crowd there's one who knows And thats the man who fights the bull! Have fun in the stands eryn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Personally, I consider the key point in socialism being taking property from PERSON A and giving it to PERSON B. The bailout does exactly that. How exactly is the bailout NOT socialism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 The biggest piece of the stimulus package is tax relief... You keep bringing up tax relief. Where do you think all the money that they are using for these packages comes from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Have fun in the stands eryn! Yup. I'll sit this one out. Enjoy your breif time in the sun, as this will get moved to the PPP soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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