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QB:

 

JP

Nall

Kingsbury

 

RB:

 

McGahee

Thomas

Williams

 

FB:

 

Shelton

Goldsberry

 

WR:

 

Evans

Price

Reed

Parrish

Nance

Aiken

 

TE:

 

Royal

Everett

Cieslak

 

OT:

 

Peters

Gandy

Gibson

Butler

 

OG:

 

Villarrail

Reyes

Preston

 

OC:

 

Fowlers

Geisinger

 

DE:

 

Schobel

Kelsay

Word

Denney

 

DT:

 

Tripplett

Anderson

McCargo

Williams

 

OLB:

 

Spikes

Posey

Crowell

Stamer

 

ILB:

 

Fletcher

Watson

Haggan

 

CB:

 

Clements

McGee

Youboty

King

Greer

 

SS:

 

Whitner

Bowen

 

FS:

 

Vincent

Simpson

 

K:

 

Rian Lindell

 

P:

 

Brian Moorman

 

LS:

 

Mike Schneck

 

 

Practice Squad:

Fred Jackson (RB)

Martin Nance (WR)

Aaron Merz ©

Terrence Pennington (T)

Keith Ellison (LB)

Joshua Cooper (DE)

Jason Jefferson (DT)

Kiwaukee Thomas (CB)

 

What say you??

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not bad. minor quibble, you have Nance on active and practice squad.

 

Qb's: naw, I think we'd still keep KH over Kingswho

RB's: tough, but I like more of what I see of Gates over Williams. (but limited viewings)

FB's: Not sure if Shelton has another year in him. It seemed like he didn't do so well last year... well like the rest of the team. We may only keep one FB IMO.

WR: crowded field. Your picks are the same as mine.

TEs: yep

OL: good. hope gibsen can revitalize himself.

 

DE: Word? Probably one of the Rookies...

DT: I think they'd like to keep 5 and rotate them more, but someone has to step up... Jefferson?

LBs: yup

CB: yup

Safetys: Baker may stick. Although, maybe not, He's more of a hitter than a cover guy... Our system needs cover safetys.

ST's: yup

 

Nice job. It sure is hard to guess those last few roster spots...

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Nance over Andre Davis...

Yeah, sure...

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You say that as if Andre Davis is some Pro Bowl WR with a handful of 100 catch seasons on his resume. He's a career underachiever, who ran a good time at his college combine, that has quickly become an NFL journeyman. I could easily see the Bills cutting him. If he were such a talent, he wouldn't have been forced to sign 1 year contracts, 2 years in a row.

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no way does Vincent make the team this year he sucks and joe burns makes the team

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Perhaps, but I really doubt they cut:

 

1. The team leader (on a bad D yes but the best producer on a bad team) in turnovers received last year as he tied for the team lead in INTs with McGee and tied with a couple of other players in fumbles recovered.

 

2. The switch in scheme goes away from demanding our safties play as run stoppers as the blitz might come from anywhere in out zone blitz to safeties playing more of a centerfield pass coverage in the Cover 2. Milloy was clearly a better tackler but the safety duty will move toward TV's pass coverage strength he developed as a Pro Bowl CB.

 

3. The acquisition of a bunch of talented rookie DBs means he is a likely goner next season, but now plays to his strength as all of these talented rookies will benefit from the on field coaching and example of TV. Further, his election as NFLPA Prez shows he has garnered the respect of his peers as a stand-up guy. While some folks hate unions for ideological reasons, the fact he us NFLPA Prez actually makes him an unlikely target for retribution even if Ralph is ticked about the new CBA, if the re is any hint to players that TV is gone becacuse of his union activity, the likely implication for the Bills attracting future FAs may not be good. Trashing TV might make some feel good ideologically but it may well be bad football.

 

4. The fact Milloy was cut rather than TV was probably made for the good football reason that our new scheme fits TV better than Milloy, but contractually it also was testimony to the fact that there is only a few hundred K saved by cutting TV rather than the multi-millions gained by cutting Milloy, There is little contractual reason to cut TV.

 

The only way I see TV getting cut would be if he suddenly hit the wall as older players sometimes do and his production drops off drastically. However, given his team leading numbers for turnovers recieved last year, this drop-off would have to be really sudden as he was more productive in some regards than his peers on the team.

 

Whitmer will be an immediate starter and getting the on field coaching from TV will be good. Youbouty is a first round physical talent who dropped to the 3rd round as many felt he could use another year of college to learn the game. He will get that year sitting and practicing with the Bills. Simpson looks like a talented player though he was taken on the second day. He likely could force his way into the line-up by mid-season but this still speaks to TV's value as a starter as the season begins.

 

TV clearly has lost a step (or two) since his early days as a CB star. However, the speed to guard the fastest WRs means one can lose steps from this great base and still adequately play safety. Even with the Cover 2 demanding that the safety cover some field, it looks like that with Farrell we will employ a version known as the Tampa 2 where TV will be asked to cover 1/3 of the field rather than 1/2.

 

A cut of TV can happen but looks pretty unlikely for a number of football based reasons.

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My 53-man roster, V. 2.0

 

QB:

JP

Holcomb

Nall

 

RB

Willis

Gates

Williams

Burns (RB/FB)

 

OL:

Gandy

Reyes

Fowler

Preston

Peters

Jerman

Geisinger

McFarland

Butler

 

WR:

Evans

Price

Parrish

Reed

Aiken

Davis

 

TE

Everett

Royal

Cieslak

Neufeld

 

DE

Kelsay

Schobel

Denney

Posey

 

DT

Tripplett

Tiny Tim

McCargo

Williams

 

LB

Stamer

Fletcher

Crowell

TKO

Watson

Haggan

Ellison

 

CB

McGee

Nate

Youboty

King

Greer

 

S

Whitner

Baker

Bowen

Simpson

 

K

Lindell

 

P

Moorman

 

LS

Schneck

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Rico-

 

Whats your thoughts regarding the Villarial situation?

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Don't know, just a hunch. According to Chris Brown's blog, Preston got a lot of 1st-string snaps in the OTA's... if Preston looks good in pre-season, I think the V-Man is gone. If all things are equal, better to go young, especially if you want to establish some long-range continuity on the OL. I don't think Villarial is very versatile either, so I don't see them keeping him for depth at 1 position only, 2 tops.
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Don't know, just a hunch. According to Chris Brown's blog, Preston got a lot of 1st-string snaps in the OTA's... if Preston looks good in pre-season, I think the V-Man is gone. If all things are equal, better to go young, especially if you want to establish some long-range continuity on the OL. I don't think Villarial is very versatile either, so I don't see them keeping him for depth at 1 position only, 2 tops.

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Generally, I agree that I like Preston at RG more than Villarial in the long run, but right now is the short run (particularly for the Bills as I think the Golden Boys Ralph and Marv will put a premium on winning now while they are still on this planet- they will not ignore the long run completely, but particularly while there is a premium for the team in a football sense for winning now the short run will be the primary emphasis) that makes the big difference.

 

My guess is that Villarial will not last the whole season in some significant way. What used to be nicks for him he played through are now injuries which knock him out a couple of starts or limit his effectiveness when he is in.

 

However, I suspect that part of the reason he skipped some OTAs completely is that they/he knew he only has a certain amount of football left in him and they decuded to burn this football focus and snaps in pre-season/regular season rather than at voluntary practices. I think he likely starts until he cannot play anymore and then Preston takes over for him.

 

My sense is that Preston is also our plan B if Fowler does not work (I think he will based on his play but there must be a plan B for everybody. Preston on the depth chart at LG is interesting as perhaps he is the plan B for Reyes as well.

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Generally, I agree that I like Preston at RG more than Villarial in the long run, but right now is the short run (particularly for the Bills as I think the Golden Boys Ralph and Marv will put a premium on winning now while they are still on this planet- they will not ignore the long run completely, but particularly while there is a premium for the team in a football sense for winning now the short run will be the primary emphasis) that makes the big difference.

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After looking at this off-season, I see absolutely no premium on winning now.. every move has been building towards the future. No "impact" free agents signed, no seniors drafted on Day 1, traded away Moulds. If Marv would've put a premium on winning this year, Moulds would be back and more stop-gap, veteran FA's would've been signed. This team is on course to being a 2-14 team, optimistically 3-13... not poised in any way to make a playoff run this year. As such, the players who are going to make this team are going to be the one's who perform the best... talent (especially talent with upside) will win out over experience. That's why players like Villarial (and especially Vincent) are at risk of not making this team if they can't perform now, since they will not be part of the future. Go ahead and start an Eddie Robinson-type for the experience he brings to a bad, young team, you'll see the results. :blush:

 

BTW, I don't disagree with the direction Marv is going in... TD should've done the same thing after the 2003 season.

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# NAME POS Ht Wt Age Exp College

CB:5

43 Bassey, Eric CB 6-1 200 23 R Oklahoma

22 Clements, Nate CB 6-0 209 26 6 Ohio State

29 King, Eric CB 5-10 185 24 2 Wake Forest

39 Lee, Rob CB 6-0 193 25 1 Northern Illinois

24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 195 25 4 Northwestern State

33 Greer, Jabari CB 5-11 169 24 3 Tennessee

47 Ward, LaShaun CB 6-0 200 25 2 California

38 Youboty, Ashton CB 5-11 189 21 R Ohio State

37 Thomas, Kiwaukee DB 5-11 192 29 7 Georgia Southern

30 Bethea, James DB 6-0 180 23 2 California

 

DE:4

73 Cooper, Joshua DE 6-3 261 25 2 Mississippi

92 Denney, Ryan DE 6-7 275 29 5 BYU

90 Kelsay, Chris DE 6-4 275 26 4 Nebraska

91 Powell, Eric DE 6-3 268 26 1 Florida State

94 Schobel, Aaron DE 6-4 262 28 6 TCU

63 Word, Mark DE 6-5 295 30 5 Jacksonville State

72 Neill, Ryan DL 6-3 265 23 R Rutgers

76 Hall, Jason DL 6-3 260 22 R TEnnessee

 

DT:5

97 McCargo, John DL 6-2 295 22 R N.C. State

99 Jefferson, Jason DT 6-1 310 24 2 Wisconsin

77 Anderson, Tim DT 6-3 304 25 3 Ohio State

68 Brown, LaWaylon DT 6-5 305 26 1 Oklahoma State

93 Sape, Lauvale DT 6-1 296 25 3 Utah

98 Tripplett, Larry DT 6-2 295 27 5 Washington

65 Tupa'i, Faafetai DT 6-3 330 25 1 Washington State

95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 295 23 R LSU

 

FB:1

31 Shelton, Daimon FB 6-0 262 33 9 Sacramento State

44 Goldsberry, Jon FB 6-1 246 24 2 Purdue

46 Ming, Derrick FB 5-11 245 23 R Missouri

35 Burns, Joe FB/RB 5-9 215 26 5 Georgia Tech

 

9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 235 29 7 Washington State

3 Setta, Nicholas K/P 6-0 194 25 1 Notre Dame

 

LB: 6

60 Watson, Courtney LB 6-1 246 25 3 Notre Dame

51 Spikes, Takeo LB 6-2 242 29 9 Auburn

57 Stamer, Josh LB 6-2 238 28 4 South Dakota

54 DiGiorgio, John LB 6-2 225 22 R Saginaw Valley State

64 Ellison, Keith LB 6-0 228 22 R Oregon State

55 Crowell, Angelo LB 6-1 235 24 4 Virginia

53 Haggan, Mario LB 6-3 248 26 4 Mississippi State

52 Hunter, Wendell LB 6-0 228 24 2 California

50 Ezekiel, Liam LB 6-0 249 23 2 Northeastern

59 Fletcher-Baker, London LB 5-10 245 31 9 John Carroll

96 Posey, Jeff LB 6-4 241 30 9 Southern Mississippi

 

54 Schneck, Mike LS 6-0 246 28 8 Wisconsin

 

OL:10

70 Reyes, Tutan OL 6-3 310 28 7 Mississippi

75 Preston, Duke OL 6-5 311 24 2 Illinois

61 Pennington, Terrance OL 6-7 319 22 R New Mexico

71 Peters, Jason OL 6-4 328 24 3 Arkansas

67 Fowler, Melvin OL 6-3 295 27 5 Maryland

69 Gandy, Mike OL 6-4 310 27 6 Notre Dame

73 Geisinger, Justin OL 6-3 322 24 2 Vanderbilt

74 Gibson, Aaron OL 6-7 371 28 7 Wisconsin

60 Butler, Brad OL 6-8 292 22 R Virginia

76 Jerman, Greg OL 6-5 310 27 5 Baylor

62 Merz, Aaron OL 6-4 340 22 R California

58 Villarrial, Chris OL 6-3 318 33 11 Indiana(Pa)

65 Thomas, Jason OL 6-4 325 29 1 Hampton

72 Morgan, Matt OT 6-6 304 25 2 Pittsburgh

 

8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 175 30 6 Pittsburg State

-- Brazen, Joshua P 5-11 185 23 R Kent State

 

QB:3

5 Kingsbury, Kliff QB 6-3 220 26 3 Texas Tech

7 Losman, JP QB 6-2 217 25 3 Tulane

10 Holcomb, Kelly QB 6-2 212 32 10 Middle Tennessee State

16 Nall, Craig QB 6-3 230 27 5 Northwestern (La.) St.

 

RB:3

45 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 210 25 1 Coe College

25 Gates, Lionel RB 6-0 233 24 2 Louisville

21 McGahee, Willis RB 6-0 228 24 3 Miami

28 Thomas, Anthony RB 6-2 225 28 6 Michigan

20 Williams, Shaud RB 5-7 193 25 3 Alabama

 

Safety:4

27 Wire, Coy S 6-0 205 27 5 Stanford

36 Whitner, Donte S 5-11 205 20 R Ohio State

23 Vincent, Troy S 6-1 200 35 15 Wisconsin

40 Simpson, Ko S 6-1 201 22 R South Carolina

42 Leonhard, Jim S 5-8 190 23 2 Wisconsin

26 Baker, Rashad S 5-10 198 24 3 Tennessee

41 Bowen, Matt S 6-1 203 29 7 Iowa

 

TE:3

86 Cieslak, Brad TE 6-3 262 23 2 Northern Illinois

85 Everett, Kevin TE 6-4 241 24 1 Miami

88 Neufeld, Ryan TE 6-4 250 30 6 UCLA

84 Royal, Robert TE 6-4 260 28 4 LSU

 

WR:6

81 Price, Peerless WR 5-11 190 29 7 Tennessee

82 Reed, Josh WR 5-10 208 26 5 LSU

17 Nance, Martin WR 6-3 212 23 R Miami (OH)

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-9 168 23 2 Miami

83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 25 3 Wisconsin

89 Aiken, Sam WR 6-2 204 25 4 North Carolina

18 Davis, Andre WR 6-1 195 27 5 Virginia Tech

14 Denney, Chris WR 6-3 219 23 R Nebraska-Omaha

19 Smith, Jonathan WR 5-10 194 24 3 Georgia Tech

15 Wilson, George WR 6-0 210 25 2 Arkansas

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