truth on hold Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Every forecast I've seen has the Bills drafting Nose Tackle Haloti Ngata with their #8 overall pick. I really hope the levy/head coach debacle doesn't mess up their drafting of this guy because by all reports he's exactly what they need. 6'4", 345 lbs, with speed and agility. A real 2-gapper that's impossible for one guy to block. All but stops runs up the middle, which was the Bills achilles heal after the loss of Pat Williams and the melt down of blubber boy Sam Adams. Another thing I like about Ngata is his motivation for going to the NFL early is to support his younger siblings now that, unfortunately, his parents have passed away. This guy should be all business and focused on building a solid career. If they get Ngata and he's what he's crack up to be, Bills defensive could rocket right back into one of the league's very best. Remember, their run defense was poor even before the injury to Spikes. In addition to the Levy/head coach mess, biggest risk to not landing this guy seems to be 9ers drafting him first with #7 pick. Here's some links to mock draft sites: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html http://football.about.com/cs/nfldraft/a/bl_mockdraft.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Every forecast I've seen has the Bills drafting Nose Tackle Haloti Ngata with their #8 overall pick. I really hope the levy/head coach debacle doesn't mess up their drafting of this guy because by all reports he's exactly what they need. 6'4", 345 lbs, with speed and agility. A real 2-gapper that's impossible for one guy to block. All but stops runs up the middle, which was the Bills achilles heal after the loss of Pat Williams and the melt down of blubber boy Sam Adams. Another thing I like about Ngata is his motivation for going to the NFL early is to support his younger siblings now that, unfortunately, his parents have passed away. This guy should be all business and focused on building a solid career. If they get Ngata and he's what he's crack up to be, Bills defensive could rocket right back into one of the league's very best. Remember, their run defense was poor even before the injury to Spikes. In addition to the Levy/head coach mess, biggest risk to not landing this guy seems to be 9ers drafting him first with #7 pick. Here's some links to mock draft sites: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html http://football.about.com/cs/nfldraft/a/bl_mockdraft.htm 577102[/snapback] Alot of people on this site would like to see somone differnt taken By the bills. Personally I want to see him drafted especailly since adams looks like hes got 2 feet out the door and Ngata should be arounf for atlest 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 Alot of people on this site would like to see somone differnt taken By the bills. Personally I want to see him drafted especailly since adams looks like hes got 2 feet out the door and Ngata should be arounf for atlest 4 years. 577104[/snapback] if you're weak against the run you basically can't compete in this league. loss of pat williams was biggest problem for bills last year. this has to be priority #1 in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 if you're weak against the run you basically can't compete in this league. loss of pat williams was biggest problem for bills last year. this has to be priority #1 in my opinion. 577107[/snapback] and it's a priority that might be filled in free agency with a guy like Ryan Pickett, which would open the door to draft a LT prospect like Eric Winston with our top pick and allow us to take a DT in Round 2 (a guy that will ultimately replace Sam Adams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 and it's a priority that might be filled in free agency with a guy like Ryan Pickett, which would open the door to draft a LT prospect like Eric Winston with our top pick and allow us to take a DT in Round 2 (a guy that will ultimately replace Sam Adams). 577111[/snapback] gimme ngata over pickett. pickett had 4 years with the rams with consistently one of the worst defenses across the board. at barely 300 ln, he's too small to be a true 2-gapper. i just can't get too excited about his upside. ngata is 40 lbs heavier and has upside potential far beyond pickett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 gimme ngata over pickett. pickett had 4 years with the rams with consistently one of the worst defenses across the board. at barely 300 ln, he's too small to be a true 2-gapper. i just can't get too excited about his upside. ngata is 40 lbs heavier and has upside potential far beyond pickett. 577117[/snapback] Has Pickett had the luxery of lining up to a quality DT as Sam Adams thus far in his career? I think not. Remember this, the draft is about getting the best collection of players. As I see it there are far few quality Left OTs in this years draft than DTs. So to me the smart thing to do is select a guy like Winston in Round 1 and a DT like Gabe Watson in Round 2. As to me Winston + Watson > Ngata + Daryn Colledge (or fill in your choice for a 2nd Round OT prospect). Also, I feel that the draft is a good place to fill depth and free agency a good place to find starters (when can as again think we can find a starting DT easier in free agency than a starting Left OT). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 gimme ngata over pickett. pickett had 4 years with the rams with consistently one of the worst defenses across the board. at barely 300 ln, he's too small to be a true 2-gapper. i just can't get too excited about his upside. ngata is 40 lbs heavier and has upside potential far beyond pickett. 577117[/snapback] couple more points here: - one nose tackle will have a bigger impact on the defense than one offensive lineman will have on the offense. it's partly a matter of math: d-lines are either 3 or 4 players and o-lines are always 5 players, meaning the nose tackle is a larger percent of the total versus any o-lineman. [the only o-line position that is even potentially comparable is center, and bills seems set there.] don't believe me? then how do you explain the massive run stopping decline the bills suffered after williams left and adams was proven a bust, which occured well before spikes injury? - selecting on o-lineman that's nfl calibar seems a more difficult task than a position like nose tackle. does mike williams ring a bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 couple more points here: - one nose tackle will have a bigger impact on the defense than one offensive lineman will have on the offense. it's partly a matter of math: d-lines are either 3 or 4 players and o-lines are always 5 players, meaning the nose tackle is a larger percent of the total versus any o-lineman. [the only o-line position that is even potentially comparable is center, and bills seems set there.] don't believe me? then how do you explain the massive run stopping decline the bills suffered after williams left and adams was proven a bust, which occured well before spikes injury? - selecting on o-lineman that's nfl calibar seems a more difficult task than a position like nose tackle. does mike williams ring a bell? And D-linemen usually make an impact quicker than O-linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 - selecting on o-lineman that's nfl calibar seems a more difficult task than a position like nose tackle. does mike williams ring a bell? 577146[/snapback] You just made the point I was trying to make, take a higher quality guy like Winston as you can get a way with a lower caliber guy to play DT. As need I remind you of Pat Williams never being drafted in the NFL? If don't like Pickett there are other free agent DTs out there. Another guy on my short list is Russell Davis, who might be more to your liking if prefer a true 2 gap NT type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack1022 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Two players we need in free agency: Gerard Warren (DT, Denver) http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/player_bio.asp...271&hubName=DEN Steve Hutchenson (OG, Seattle) http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/player_bio.asp...414&hubName=SEA Brady is still having nightmares of Warren.. Combine Warren with Ngata...Kelsay and Schoebel. That foursome could get pressure on every play.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Eh. Warren got a fat contract as a rookie and played like crap during his time in Cleveland. Then he signs a 1-year deal with the Broncos and has a good year. Caveat emptor. And as for Hutch, I'd rather go for Bentley. He can play OG and OC, at a Pro Bowl level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 You just made the point I was trying to make, take a higher quality guy like Winston as you can get a way with a lower caliber guy to play DT. As need I remind you of Pat Williams never being drafted in the NFL? If don't like Pickett there are other free agent DTs out there. Another guy on my short list is Russell Davis, who might be more to your liking if prefer a true 2 gap NT type. 577153[/snapback] dont see how i made your point at all. bills have proven to be highly dependant on the nose tackle position and there's no free agent nose tackle that seems to be able to fit the bill as well as ngata has the potential to. since it's more random which players can make it at the o-line position it makes sense to a. have a bias to selecting them later in the draft and b. use free agency to pick up proven o-lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 And D-linemen usually make an impact quicker than O-linemen. 577148[/snapback] indeed and guys like Igor Olshansky, Kris Jenkins, Shaun Rogers and Cornelius Griffin are examples of DTs selected in the 2nd Round of their respective drafts that were impact players as rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Another tidbit about Ngata...the guy is Polynesian Mormon. Try and wrap your mind around that one...but hey, coming to Western New York could be a pilgrimage for the big guy then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 And D-linemen usually make an impact quicker than O-linemen. 577148[/snapback] yeah and we need players that can help us now not years down the road. other than QB, rookie o-lineman seem to take the longest time to develop, unless that rare orlando pace comes along. this draft has no orlando pace. i'm hoping they get Ngata who can help this team from day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Another tidbit about Ngata...the guy is Polynesian Mormon. Try and wrap your mind around that one...but hey, coming to Western New York could be a pilgrimage for the big guy then! I learned on a trip to Hawaii that there are a lot of Polynesian Mormons, and BYU has a big influence on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 yeah and we need players that can help us now not years down the road. other than QB, rookie o-lineman seem to take the longest time to develop, unless that rare orlando pace comes along. this draft has no orlando pace. i'm hoping they get Ngata who can help this team from day 1 I think a 1st round DT will a help a lot faster than a 1st round OL, or that the odds are higher of a 1st round DT helping faster than a 1st round OL. And the lack of a stud DT this year killed the Bills' defense. I don't know if Ngata is the guy, or if the Bills can find a DT in FA, but that's the #1 priority in my mind. Because with a good defense, you at least have a chance. Then take the promising guys on the O-line (Peters, Preston, Gandy at OG) and add a FA or two there, drafting one for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 dont see how i made your point at all. bills have proven to be highly dependant on the nose tackle position and there's no free agent nose tackle that seems to be able to fit the bill as well as ngata has the potential to. since it's more random which players can make it at the o-line position it makes sense to a. have a bias to selecting them later in the draft and b. use free agency to pick up proven o-lineman. 577159[/snapback] selecting on o-lineman that's nfl calibar seems a more difficult task than a position like nose tackle. Read this to yourself and ask yourself this question. If a position is more difficult task would you want to take a lesser talent at this position or a better talent? Call me crazy but I'd take a more talented guy. Conversely since NT is an easier position to fill can you get away with a lesser quality here if needed? I say yes so that's why I can see waiting to take a DT. You can use free agency to find proven o-lineman but quickly name the last proven Left OT that moved from what team to another? Off hand the only name I can think of is Wil Wolford, and we've been weak at that position ever since. Conversely many quality NTs have moved from team to team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 selecting on o-lineman that's nfl calibar seems a more difficult task than a position like nose tackle. Read this to yourself and ask yourself this question. If a position is more difficult task would you want to take a lesser talent at this position or a better talent? Call me crazy but I'd take a more talented guy. Conversely since NT is an easier position to fill can you get away with a lesser quality here if needed? You can use free agency to find proven o-lineman but quickly name the last proven Left OT that moved from what team to another? Off hand the only name I can think of is Wil Wolford, and we've been weak at that position ever since. Conversely many quality NTs have moved from team to team. 577173[/snapback] read this quote of mine: "since it's more random which players can make it at the o-line position it makes sense to a. have a bias to selecting them later in the draft and b. use free agency to pick up proven o-lineman." that's the strategy makes sense to me. and actually there are many o-lineman that work in free agrency. how about jets center mawae? or our former ruben brown who looks like a pro-bowler again? before them jumbo elliott when he moved from giants to jets? should i go on? we need a real impact player at nose tackle to make this defense click -- Ngata could be that guy, the free agent candidates are more like bodies filling space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 The Bills should use FA to shore up need areas. I'd say those are DT and OL, with one guy needed there minimum. The draft can then be used to fill-in other areas, or to take the DT or OL if they didn't get one in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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