Would Losman be the number 1 pick this year?

[34-78-83]

Would Losman be the number one pick in this years draft?

HA! HA! HA!

 

 

Try asking that question to anyone thats not a Bills fan whose self esteem is not wrapped up in"Big Cat" Losmans development.

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Actually the question has been asked multiple times to various "experts" and media outlets and most of them that I have seen or read say that Losman would be graded higher than the other two guys on most NFL draft boards.

 

As stated we don't know what Losman is going to turn out to be, but trying to go off of how many games his team Won or his stats on a very poor Tulane offense and compare him to guys in top notch programs surrounded by better players is foolish.

[Kelly the Dog]

Fair enough, maybe I am overstating that he will be a bust.  But to implant him in the HOF and every other Bill that people seem to do around here is much worse.  Prove me wrong, but I will still root for him.  But if he sucks, there are too many folks with blinders on until the Bills cut or trade a player, then all of a sudden the guy sucked.

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Very true. Good point.

[Kelly the Dog]

He should have thrown the flag on the Travis run into the end zone.  Clearly a coaching mistake. 

 

We continued to get beat on defensive coverages late in the game, yet we didn't adjust and the players didn't know to knock it down 3 different times on 4th down. 

 

Coaching mistakes.

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This is really a pet peeve of mine. I really cannot believe that fans will blame a clearly offensive coach for a defensive player not knocking the ball down on 4th and-the-ball-game, which has been drummed into that player's head by every defensive coach since 4th grade. IF it is a coach's mistake, which I don't even believe it is, it is the defensive coach's mistake. I don't see any way in hell one can blame Mike Mularkey for Nate not knocking that ball down.

[CoachChuckDickerson]

Wrong,  Scouts had Losman at 89

 

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/.../player?id=7843

 

Smith at 97

 

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/.../player?id=9077

 

and Rodgers at 98

 

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/.../player?id=8743

 

Try again

 

BTW 89 ranking gets you to be about the 30-35 best players in the draft.  So saying that, Losman would be a early 2nd rounder this year.

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I think VABills answered this question in an earlier thread. I hate the SEARCH button.

[VABills]

I think VABills answered this question in an earlier thread. I hate the SEARCH button.

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I hate when I am right, and consistent.

[Kelly the Dog]

I think VABills answered this question in an earlier thread. I hate the SEARCH button.

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And they were dead wrong last year, too.

[VABills]

And they were dead wrong last year, too. 

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How? They had Ben at 99 and he did very average but started. Manning sucked so who knows there. Rivers never played.

[Kelly the Dog]

How?  They had Ben at 99 and he did very average but started.  Manning sucked so who knows there.  Rivers never played.

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Ummmm... because they had Losman rated as a "high second" 30-35 pick and he went 22 with other suitors hot on his heels? Clearly they missed the boat on him. But it's not a strict science.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

He should have thrown the flag on the Travis run into the end zone.  Clearly a coaching mistake.

It was hardly "clear" at the time. Hell there was a lot of discussion on the board about whether Travis crossed the line, and I recall being the only one who was adamant about him having done so. But in any case, he's relying on his coaches upstairs who have seen the replays.

We continued to get beat on defensive coverages late in the game, yet we didn't adjust and the players didn't know to knock it down 3 different times on 4th down. 

 

Coaching mistakes.

A veteran DB should know to knock the ball down. The direct responsibility is the positional coach's, and there is some debate as to whether Jimmy Smith pushed-off on Clements on that particular play. Hardly reason to hang MM because he wasn't on the field to mess-up those plays, just like he didn't cause Villarrial to hold (or not) on that crucial 3rd down run by Willis that would have sealed the game and made that final drive moot.

 

BTW, those were MM's first 2 games as a HC. Kind of harsh to judge him based on those, but I guess it goes with the territory since you're calling JP a bust based on his limited time last year. Me I'm not convinced JP will be great, but I'm willing to give him a chance and be optimistic about him. The bottom line is there was and IS no better prospect that the Bills would have had a chance to take in last year's or this year's draft, since Smith and Rodgers will be gone in the top 5, and I don't think too much of them anyway, much less the rest of the QB's this year. I like that JP has all the physical tools, seems to have the attitude and work ethic, having put-in lots of hours working in Buffalo this off-season, and will be working with a legendary QB coach.

[1billsfan]

I hate when I am right, and consistent. 

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You're wrong that the Bills would be "lucky" to get anything for Travis Henry.

 

You're wrong about MM being respondsible for the Pittsburg game when it was Bledsoe's 3 turnovers leading directly to 10 Pittsburg points that was where the blame squarely sat.

 

You're more wrong than right.

[CoachChuckDickerson]

I hate when I am right, and consistent. 

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are those ratings based off of that individual draft class or are they constant?

[MadBuffaloDisease]

They're guesses. I'm sure Leaf was a 98 or something. Like I said above, JP is the best QB prospect the Bills could have taken in last year's or this year's draft, without sacrificing a LOT more than a 2nd and 5th rounder, not to mention salary.

[VABills]

are those ratings based off of that individual draft class or are they constant?

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Constant from year to year. I will try to pull out the writeup. But it is something like 90 and above is ready to start and will be a career long term starter likely. 80-89 was a solid player, but not superstar potential.

[VABills]

90-100 Rare Prospect Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game. Is a premier college player that has all the skill to take over a game and play at a championship level. He rates in the top 5 players in the nation at his position and is considered a first round draft prospect.

80-89 Outstanding Prospect Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. A feature player that has an impact on the outcome of the game. Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out. He rates in the top 10 at his position and is considered a second round draft prospect.

70-79 Solid Prospect Still a standout player at the college level that is close to being an elite player. He has no glaring weaknesses and will usually win his individual matchups, but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the country. He will usually rate in the top third of players at his position and is considered a third round draft prospect.

60-69 Good Prospect This player is an good starter that will give a solid effort week in and week out, but he is overmatched versus the better players in the nation. His weaknesses will be exposed against top competition. He is usually a prospect that is missing something from his game. For example, he has the size and skills to be an outstanding prospect, but lacks the speed. He will usually rate in the top half of the players at his position and is considered a middle round draft choice.

50-59 Adequate Prospect These are usually players that play at a high level in college, but lack some measurables or skills to play at that same level in the NFL. He may be a player that has a lot of developmental qualities, or could be a player that will contribute right away on special teams or in a situational capacity. He will usually rate in the second-third at his position and is considered a fifth round draft choice.

21-49 Borderline Draft Prospect These are players that teams like something about, but certainly do not have the full package in terms of NFL talent. A lot of times, teams will take chances on character players or developmental type athletes with this grade. And often, these are players that come from smaller schools or did not standout at the college level. NFL teams are looking for 'diamonds in the rough' with this type of prospect. He will usually rate in the bottom third of players at his position and will be considered a late round draft choice or un-drafted free agent.

20 Free Agent Prospect These are players that did not make our original 'evaluation list' but are prospects that need to be monitored. Especially in the pre-season, these players will fluctuate up and down depending on performance in their final year of eligibility.

10 Not a legitimate Prospect These are players that lack NFL measurables and/or skills. They are players that we feel would not even make a solid contribution as a training camp body.