JP-era Posted February 20, 2005 Author Share Posted February 20, 2005 Do you dispute the cap numbers provided by clumping platelets? I do not hold them as gospel truth, but the guy is into it and works hard to provide us with these figures. What totals do you have wrt the cap hit of Mike Williams in 05? Additionally, your post indicates little respect for what I consider the greatest site on the internet. Why would you put in the time to moderate a website, from which by your own words, one could draw the conclusion that you hold in such little esteem? 246610[/snapback] I do, he seems to be about 5 million under what BillsDaily is reporting as our cap space. I theorize that this is propaganda meant to undermine the notion that we can purchase top talent in FA. I dont believe his numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I don't think it's a good idea.Based on my observations, I certainly wouldn't say that MW has 'nimble feet'. In pass protection, about the only way I can recall him being beat is by people going outside him, i.e. he's not quick enough to get in their way. Also, typically teams run 'right-handed', i.e. bull on the right, pull from the left. By all accounts, MW is indeed a bull & a force to be reckoned w/ straight up on run plays. I think he should stay on the right where he seems best suited. 246509[/snapback] i agree, but if he wasn't so damn fat, you could almost say he was nimble. i really believe the guy could be an outstanding LT if he would lose 20-30 lbs...at 340 he would be a perennial pro-bowler. of course, whether he has the heart or self-discipline to pull it off remains to be seen. personally, i'll believe it when i see it. the only thing i know is that neither he, nor any other player we could have drafted in 2002 is worth $9million/year. if that number is accurate, SOMETHING has to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 so to meet your criteria, , give the money to JJ, who has shown he can actually play LT and bring in the much cheaper Shelton to play RT and cut MW if he refuses to take a big pay cut that matches his ability with his pay 246600[/snapback] Actuaslly, my msin criterion for right now is that JMac has shown me as a fan that he is an improvement over the two previous OL coaches and that within the context of a Clements system (which is an improvement over the Kevin Killdrive system) I'm quite willing to put my faith in them to make a judgment on how to acquire the individual players to produce an at least adequate if not a good OL. That being said, I like the commentary and discussion about the individual talents because it provides good information to outsiders such as myself and interesting perspectives. However, I am quite certain that the things which rules the roost are judgments JMac makes to bring it all together. Unlike any other unit in football the OL strikes me as one where the whole can exceed the performance of merely adding together the sum of the individual parts. I am more than willing to see JMac and the gang chose to go with a player I judge to be flawed or less talented because they believe the get better production out of the OL as a whole because this players' holes are complimented by what his partners do well or the strength of his game fits into an area where we are weak even though his failings may be glaringly obvious. On the particular point you raise, I can easily see cuttin MW if in fact he has a #9.17 million cap hit and refuses to restructure. If this horrible situation confronts us, resigning JJ at as cheap a rate as we can (I think the market may well allow him to be resigned for way less than $5 mill a year) and trading Henry for Shektin who becomes our new RT is quite doable. However, it I had to guess, the best we will be able to do is actually restructure MW to a lower cap hit and resign JJ and actually go with Smith (possibly Tucker) at LG because I suspect JMac and the Bills will attempt to upgrade through better teaching and implementation with exisiting players than sign a bunch of new talent. I may well be wrong but that is where I think we aree going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 i agree, but if he wasn't so damn fat, you could almost say he was nimble. i really believe the guy could be an outstanding LT if he would lose 20-30 lbs...at 340 he would be a perennial pro-bowler. of course, whether he has the heart or self-discipline to pull it off remains to be seen. personally, i'll believe it when i see it. the only thing i know is that neither he, nor any other player we could have drafted in 2002 is worth $9million/year. if that number is accurate, SOMETHING has to be done. 246701[/snapback] My sense is that MW was overweight last voluntary camp and going into last season because of the "episode" of his grandma who apparently raised him dying. Though a death of someone close to you is understandable that it might rock your world and produce some bad reactions, he lethis teaamates and the region down with this reaction. I underatnd it but I do not condone it. I think we can see from his improved play as the season went on that his attitude and actions were successfully adjusted by the sticks (JMac threatened publicly to cost him big bucks by moving him to guard) and carrots (a gameball for his performance in one mid-season game) the Bills used on him. I think labeling him a bust or a big butt fails to understand the reality of his improved play. There is not guarantee that his attitude adjustment will stick. but we will find out soon enough when "voluntary" camp begins and if he shows up overweight (or doesn't show up like last years camp) or unwilling to work ship him out we will have to do the best we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I do, he seems to be about 5 million under what BillsDaily is reporting as our cap space. I theorize that this is propaganda meant to undermine the notion that we can purchase top talent in FA. I dont believe his numbers. 246644[/snapback] I do not do propaganda. I do my best to accurately portray the cap situation. Why do people mischaracterize the cap position as bad when $7.4 million is not bad? Bills can create all the cap space they want and can pursue any player they want. It's a matter of re-working 1 or 2 deals (Mike Williams' being one of them) and releasing/trading a couple of players (Prioleau/Henry). Those moves alone can open up millions on the cap. A Henry for Shelton trade will likely be cap neutral. Why? Bills would probably do simple restructure on Shelton's 2005 salary of $3 million. Shelton's cap hit and Henry cap savings would then be nearly a complete wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 my sense is that he was overweight since (at least)his senior year of college. when the bills were looking at him, and they were showing his highlights pre-draft, the first thing i thought about the guy was that he's going to have to lose weight. and i am sure he's been told many times that he wouldn't get beat around the end so much if he was light enough to move faster. i don't mean "reuben brown light," but not 380-400lbs either. i give him credit for the progress he made last season, but i still think he's only slightly better than average, and he'll never be never worth his salary till he loses some weight. My sense is that MW was overweight last voluntary camp and going into last season because of the "episode" of his grandma who apparently raised him dying. Though a death of someone close to you is understandable that it might rock your world and produce some bad reactions, he lethis teaamates and the region down with this reaction. I underatnd it but I do not condone it. I think we can see from his improved play as the season went on that his attitude and actions were successfully adjusted by the sticks (JMac threatened publicly to cost him big bucks by moving him to guard) and carrots (a gameball for his performance in one mid-season game) the Bills used on him. I think labeling him a bust or a big butt fails to understand the reality of his improved play. There is not guarantee that his attitude adjustment will stick. but we will find out soon enough when "voluntary" camp begins and if he shows up overweight (or doesn't show up like last years camp) or unwilling to work ship him out we will have to do the best we can. 246720[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 my sense is that he was overweight since (at least)his senior year of college. when the bills were looking at him, and they were showing his highlights pre-draft, the first thing i thought about the guy was that he's going to have to lose weight. and i am sure he's been told many times that he wouldn't get beat around the end so much if he was light enough to move faster. i don't mean "reuben brown light," but not 380-400lbs either. i give him credit for the progress he made last season, but i still think he's only slightly better than average, and he'll never be never worth his salary till he loses some weight. 246741[/snapback] Imo, your take is not in any way unreasonable. He makes a ton of money. He has had his share of "issues." It is time for Mike Williams to play dominant football for the 9.17 million dollar cap hit he is costing the Buffalo Bills Football Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 One thing's for sure: if MW didn't step up his play the last 2/3rds of the season, he would've been joining Drew on Tuesday. I'm confident that we will get our money's worth from him as long as JMac keeps kicking his butt in. As for a move to LT, it's all up to JMac. GOD BLESS JIM MCNALLY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Do you dispute the cap numbers provided by clumping platelets? I do not hold them as gospel truth, but the guy is into it and works hard to provide us with these figures. What totals do you have wrt the cap hit of Mike Williams in 05? Additionally, your post indicates little respect for what I consider the greatest site on the internet. Why would you put in the time to moderate a website, from which by your own words, one could draw the conclusion that you hold in such little esteem? 246610[/snapback] no problem withClumpy - he provides a fine service It is poster who adamantly states that MW does NOT have a $9 mil cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCLXXIX Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Pure speculation or inside scoop? 3. Offensive tackle. Following the departure of Jonas Jennings, Mike Williams might switch to the left side. Either way, Mike Gandy isn't the answer as a starter. The Bills need someone who can step in and play on the left or right side. CBS Sportline: Strategy and personnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 the answer is: pure speculation... not quoted sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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